Author Topic: cop shoots biker in the back (Read 1940 times)

myronman3 · « **on:** May 11, 2010, 05:51:45 AM »

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?section=news/local&id=7433661

if this doesnt make you puke, not much will. the guy is paralyzed now. the cops on the scene would not move the bike off of his leg, even though it was burning the hell out of him. his riding buddy finally did it. i am usually pro-cop, but i hope this particular cop gets sent to prison and does not make it out.

GRIMJIM · « **Reply #1 on:** May 11, 2010, 02:22:18 PM »

amazing, I wonder if he will actually get what he deserves.

Dee · « **Reply #2 on:** May 11, 2010, 02:58:05 PM »

In 20 years of L.E., I have been in some hairy situations, that would scare hell out of ya. Have used my side arm twice directly. I have watched this a couple of times, and I am at a loss for words on why. The man would have had to be a contortionist to have been a really serious threat given the circumstances. Accidental discharge? Maybe. Panic? Maybe. Justified? Not at the point he shot the guy. I can't think of a word to describe what I saw in that dash cam.

Hairtrigger · « **Reply #3 on:** May 11, 2010, 03:09:33 PM »

This is about a half hour from where a cop left his police dog loose and it threatened his neighbor who shot the dog. Of course the neighbor was charged.
Cops live by a different set of rules

dukkillr · « **Reply #4 on:** May 11, 2010, 03:21:09 PM »

Quote from: Hairtrigger on May 11, 2010, 03:09:33 PM

This is about a half hour from where a cop left his police dog loose and it threatened his neighbor who shot the dog. Of course the neighbor was charged.
Cops live by a different set of rules

Amen. I'm absolutely shocked the dash cam, "wasn't working that day..."

Dee · « **Reply #5 on:** May 11, 2010, 03:25:19 PM »

No Hairtrigger they don't. You need to talk the Prosecution LAWYER whom took that case on the shooting of the police dog, and investigate it, to make CERTAIN it happened the way you HEARD it did. I was a K-9 Sgt for many years, and there was proto call on handling a police dog if the handler were down, or absent. Patrol dogs are as dangerous as a gun, and even police, in fact ESPECIALLY police realize this. If ANYONE were in direct danger from an uncontrolled K-9 it was to be shot. I suspect there was more to it than what you have recited.

myronman3 · « **Reply #6 on:** May 11, 2010, 04:13:48 PM »

some cops live by different rules. and, like dee says, the police are only a part of the equation.
there is a huge mess in the town i used to live in because the town cop pretty much thought he was the law and was untouchable; which he was for pretty much 30+ years. he had his hands in more than one marriage breaking up, and definately ruined alot of childrens lives by messing up people's marriages. i dont blame just him, i blame the fellow law enforcement officers, the d.a., and the county judge for letting things go like they did. definately a 'good ol' boy' club going on up there. i wont live in area's where that crap goes on anymore.
back on topic, here is the lasted update.....
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?section=news/local&id=7435861
the officer's partner testified that he thought the two guys were messing with them, and said that he wanted to stop them. so he thought about this before he stopped them. sounds like he felt slighted in some way, and decided to get even. the guy that was shot said he didnt even know it was a cop. he heard someone yell, he turned to look, then was shot.

jpred1 · « **Reply #7 on:** May 11, 2010, 04:14:36 PM »

Dee, whats your thoughts on the shooting? Appears the officer made a real bad decision . What would encourage him to be soo trigger happy is beyond me. He could have just as well pulled gun and crouched between door and car and figured out what was happening, I really didnt see a need for a split second decision. If I reacted that quick there would be a few shot bros in Bama outside of walmart.

Cheesehead · « **Reply #8 on:** May 11, 2010, 04:26:16 PM »

A ton of regret does not make an ounce of difference.

Cheese

Dee · « **Reply #9 on:** May 11, 2010, 04:43:26 PM »

Well jpred1, I thought I made my opinion of what I saw on the dash cam pretty clear. I saw no reason to shoot. It was obviously an attempt to provoke the officer to stop them when they tore out at the stop sign so fast but, I don't know the reason why they did it. The guy wasn't armed as I understand it, and I didn't see at any point, any reason that would have made "me" shoot him. And of course the cop should be held accountable.
I have made stops on Banditos, Angels, and Disciples, and as long as I stayed on the throttle side of the handle bars, and they were straddling the bike with the kick stand up, I didn't feel all that threatened. I usually INSTRUCTED THEM to leave the kick stand UP. I knew what, and whom I was dealin with, and the biker knew what, and whom, he was dealin with. I conducted what ever business I had, and that was it.
As far as the officers being provoked, that has happened more than once to me, and many officers I know. It usually HAS TO BE dealt with. Other wise it will escalate into something worse, and if ignored almost always does. I have had morons that thought they had hot cars, AND MOTORCYCLES, intentionally try to provoke me into a chase. I ignored them, as long as I could, and as I said, it usually got worse when ignored. What I usually did, was pretend to be trying to ignoring him, until I got other units into position, and then he (the moron) suddenly realized that he had no place to run, nor could he run. Then we got our business taken care of, and "my" point was made with the idiot in question.
You cannot out run Motorola.
As far as these cops myronman is talking about, my question would be: Where are the Prosecutors? There are indeed bad cops, but the Bar Ass. has more than it's fair share also.
Now I had a Sgt once that thought he was a Casanova with a married woman, until her grocery clerk husband found out, and took batting practice with his head. When he got out of the hospital he was fired. No charges were filed on Mickey Mantle.
But on the other hand, a local "bad ass" thought he too was a Casanova with a married woman, and DARED ANYONE to challenge him, until he stepped out of a motel room, and ran into a 12 gauge. Did you know that #6 high brass at close range takes the starch right out of jeans, "and egos", and turns denim into confetti? No one was filed on then either.

myronman3 · « **Reply #10 on:** May 11, 2010, 05:05:04 PM »

off topic, but i have to admit that sleeping with another man's wife should absolutely qualify a person to be shot on site. i am about as proud a person as has ever been, and it was done to me and let me tell you it is a miracle i made it through it all without killing the guy. where i live, i would have been in jail for the rest of my life. it does my heart good to hear that some places there still is some justice in the world. someday perhaps i will return to my home state of texas. if it werent for my little ones, it probably would have been done already.

Oldshooter · « **Reply #11 on:** May 11, 2010, 05:28:21 PM »

I think it was said but that rider didn't even know what was said to him. he stopped and was looking at his bud and the cop pulled up behind him got out, gun drawn and shot the guy prolly cause he didn't respond quick enough. But be that as it may the cop is wrong and he should do time! The rider should live the rest of his life as comfotably as the city money can make it for him!

BBF · « **Reply #12 on:** May 12, 2010, 06:14:46 AM »

why is it that the married females usually get a free pass on these things.

ironglow · « **Reply #13 on:** May 12, 2010, 07:04:56 AM »

From what I saw on the video, it looks like this cop was totally wrong. Perhaps the bikers were tantalizing the cop...and perhaps they were just drag racing one another and didn't see him. In any case, it wasn't enough to deserve being a parapalegic the rest of his days.
One caution though, don't judge all by one..Democrats, Republicans, Masons, Libertarians, Baptists, Catholics, plumbers, doctors and computer nerds all have "bad apples" among them....goes for any other category also.

myronman3 · « **Reply #14 on:** May 12, 2010, 07:53:41 AM »

Quote from: BBF on May 12, 2010, 06:14:46 AM

why is it that the married females usually get a free pass on these things.

no free pass at all. in my mind, they should be given the same treatment. as should cheating husbands and women who knowingly sleep with married men. it is one of the worst things that can be done to a person.

ironglow · « **Reply #15 on:** May 12, 2010, 11:37:35 AM »

Quote from: myronman3 on May 12, 2010, 07:53:41 AM

Quote from: BBF on May 12, 2010, 06:14:46 AM
why is it that the married females usually get a free pass on these things.
no free pass at all. in my mind, they should be given the same treatment. as should cheating husbands and women who knowingly sleep with married men. it is one of the worst things that can be done to a person.

Somehow, I don't think it's the the "sleeping" part that bothers the most !

myronman3 · « **Reply #16 on:** May 13, 2010, 03:23:24 AM »

you got that right, because they usually bring their scummy arses home and sleep next to the person who they cheated on. even before it was done to me, i had no use for people that did that. my dad taught me at a very young age to avoid people that treated their spouse like trash.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #17 on:** May 13, 2010, 03:51:07 AM »

Preachers and cops are suppose to live to a higher standard in most folks eyes and in fact most do . When one fails they all seem to get judged by the failure of one . We will never know the fear or reason in the cops mind at the time he shot , but we would hope he will never have a job where he could do it again .

Dee · « **Reply #18 on:** May 13, 2010, 05:59:20 AM »

SHOOTALL, I agree. While I feel this cop was DEAD WRONG, some folks rule hold "other folks" to higher standard than they themselves are able to achieve.

myronman3 · « **Reply #19 on:** May 13, 2010, 08:22:37 AM »

i put myself in that situation, from the footage i saw, i would have in no way shot the guy. i would LOVE to see the previous ten minutes of footage of that camera, and to hear the communications of the cop previous to this. hopefully it will all come out in the trial.

myronman3 · « **Reply #20 on:** May 13, 2010, 08:25:40 AM »

like i said, i am one of those who 99 times out of a 100 side with the police.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGtNug8gvpk
this is a prime example. you have to watch the entire thing.

Dee · « **Reply #21 on:** May 13, 2010, 10:04:00 AM »

That has been my point from the beginning myron. There are good trash truck drivers, and bad one, but to say their all bad is a shame. Most people that criticize others, are usually unable, or unwilling to do what the person was doing they are criticizing, even though it had to be done.
I doubt there is a police officer in this country that would agree with what happened on that dash cam, yet they have already been put in that catagory by some. Given that, I am outta this one.

Spanky · « **Reply #22 on:** May 13, 2010, 09:01:06 PM »

The kid sure as hell didn't deserve to get shot and the cop should do time for it.
As far as cheatin' spouses... it usually happens for a reason.

Spanky

myronman3 · « **Reply #23 on:** May 14, 2010, 03:45:31 AM »

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As far as cheatin' spouses... it usually happens for a reason.

yup; some people are just messed up. there are those that mistreat their spouses, and there are those with relationship problems. none of that is a valid excuse for cheating. if you are in a bad situation, you take appropriate action. i know quite a few people that have been down this road, and i can tell you that in most of the cases it simply boiled down trusting someone you shouldnt have. and, people can be VERY deceptive.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #24 on:** May 14, 2010, 04:17:14 AM »

Must be a wide spread problem as more marriages end in divorce that don't they tell me . I really wouldn't know been with same lady for 31 years this mo. I was always working so i never had time to consider it , maybe more folks need to work more ?

Spanky · « **Reply #25 on:** May 14, 2010, 05:45:27 AM »

Quote from: myronman3 on May 14, 2010, 03:45:31 AM

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As far as cheatin' spouses... it usually happens for a reason.

yup; some people are just messed up. there are those that mistreat their spouses, and there are those with relationship problems. none of that is a valid excuse for cheating. if you are in a bad situation, you take appropriate action. i know quite a few people that have been down this road, and i can tell you that in most of the cases it simply boiled down trusting someone you shouldnt have. and, people can be VERY deceptive.

I agree 100%
There are a million "reasons" to do it and not one of them makes sense.

Spanky

myronman3 · « **Reply #26 on:** May 14, 2010, 07:39:57 AM »

well i was with my wife for 18 years. then she went sideways. dad was with mom for 21 years, then she went sideways. the point is, it can happen to anyone at any time. women are the most unpredictable creatures ever made. if it has never happened to you, great. i hope it never does because it is one of the most brutal things that can happen to a person.....other than being shot in the back by a cop for no good reason.

Default_Required · « **Reply #27 on:** May 14, 2010, 02:55:30 PM »

Well the day I'm in public and get shot in the back while doing nothing more then sitting on my scoot , That Cop better PRAY I am not armed cause he is gonna get lit up like the fourth of july by his newly paralyzed victim.

That was a level of -Uncalled For- that is just obsecene.

Hope he gets the 11 years.

Why not life or the death penalty you ask ? Cause the kind of coward it takes to shoot a man in the back , Isnt gonna do well when he is unarmed with real criminals that think he has a perdy mouth, Not to mention his former LEO position. Which in prison is all but a death sentence in and of itself.

myronman3 · « **Reply #28 on:** May 14, 2010, 03:38:12 PM »

i have to agree, if'n i got shot in the back and lived to tell about it but was in a wheelchair, someday, somehow i would return the favor.

myronman3 · « **Reply #29 on:** May 14, 2010, 06:02:49 PM »

officer white was found guilty today. justice is partially served. too bad mike will never walk again.