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Offline encore4me

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JB Weld to pin barrel?
« on: May 11, 2010, 11:54:56 PM »
 If I plan on making a dedicated slug gun, could I use JB Weld to secure the barrel to the reciever? I guess I know it could be done but would it work well and would there be any problems other than not being able to remove my barrel?
 Will securing the barrel make that much difference?


Matt

P.S. I have a Browning BPS 20ga with a fully rifled barrel, cantilever mount with a Leupold VXII 2-7

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Re: JB Weld to pin barrel?
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2010, 06:35:22 AM »
I glued a Hastings barrel to an 870. I used Devcon High Strength Plastic Welder because it releases at 200 deg. to remove barrel if need be without herting the bluing or any soldered parts. Will it help, it can't hert. A pin only secures in one spot. The epoxy secures 360deg. and no screw head showing
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Re: JB Weld to pin barrel?
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2010, 06:11:42 AM »
GOOP SUPERWELD is stronger than Devcon or JB weld.  I've used both for many years for all kinds of gluing jobs and barrel bedding, but switched to the GOOP stuff after reading the tech specs for all three.

Check it out

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Re: JB Weld to pin barrel?
« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2010, 09:19:19 AM »
Just posted the same thing in another thread...... ;)

Pinning a barrel to a receiver is done for the sole purpose of keeping the barrel and receiver from moving independently of one another.    If you have a receiver mounted scope, pinning the barrel to the receiver keeps it from moving and screwing up the zero of your scope. Barrel moves, scope doesn't = no more zero.    If you have a scope mounted to a cantilever mount, it moves with the barrel even if the barrel moves inside the receiver.    There is absolutely NO need to pin a barrel if a scope is mounted to a cantilever rail.    This exact problem is why cantilever barrels were designed in the first place.   Pinning the barrel was the first solution to accuracy problems with receiver mounted scopes, cantilever mount barrels were the upgrade to pinning.   Instead of pinning the barrel to the receiver and making it a dedicated gun, you could buy a slug barrel with a cantilever mount and still use interchangeable barrels.

I shoot a Mossberg 935 with a cantilever slug barrel for deer hunting, as my home area is shotgun only.   Every spring, I take the slug barrel off and replace it with a turkey barrel.   The slug barrel goes back on before deer season.   I have not had to adjust the zero once in the 4 years I've used it this way.   As long as the scope stays on the barrel, your zero/accuracy will not suffer. 

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Re: JB Weld to pin barrel?
« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2010, 11:35:27 AM »
any movement that is not repeted every shot can and will hurt accuracy . When a shooter shoulders a gun and stock is loose or the bbl reciver is lose you are not getting full accuracy from the gun . You may be getting good or enough but not what the gun could do in most cases. If what you post was 100% why bed a rifle ? Any movement that is removed is accuracy enhanced . After looking at all the slug guns i could and having shot/owned Browing A5's , Browning Gold , several 870's , Winchester , i got a savage bolt action slug gun and it has been great. I looked at optiond to make the reciver bbl ridgid but none seemed that good as compared to the solid bolt gun .
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Re: JB Weld to pin barrel?
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2010, 11:59:02 AM »
Yes, but a slug gun/shotgun is not a rifle. Your Savage bolt action shotgun is just that.....a shotgun built like a rifle. You are essentially shooting a 12 gauge rifle. Typically, a bolt action rifle has a barrel that's either threaded or one piece with the receiver or is manufactured to eliminate any movement between the two. Many of the shotguns manufactured today are made to receive different barrels.

Bedding of a rifle barrel has nothing to do with the elimination of movement within the system....and everything to do with pressure points and barrel harmonics. The purpose of bedding a rifle is to make sure that the "wiggle" of barrel harmonics is repeated the same way every time the rifle is fired. Bedding and pinning are not even close to the same thing.  I'd prefer to free float a barrel and let the harmonics do what they will anyway.  

A butt stock, forend, and all other components should be tight and non-moving. It's easy enough to make that happen.  Repetition is on the shooter in their form.  The one variable in shotgun slugging that you have very little control over is where the barrel and receiver come together.  That's the one spot where any play is going to rob you of accuracy for one reason and one reason only.  Shotguns are made, these days, to have interchangeable barrels.  Your Savage is not.  

As far as my gun is concerned, if clover leafing 3 shot groups at 150 yards is what you describe as "getting good or good enough" performance, then I hope your Savage is putting every shot in the same hole.    ;D

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Re: JB Weld to pin barrel?
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2010, 12:04:31 PM »
very close  ;)
And any movement is hurting accuracy wheather you believe it or not !
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Re: JB Weld to pin barrel?
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2010, 12:17:38 PM »
hehe.....   I've seen those guns shoot, and I believe you.   ;D

Don't get me wrong, I agree that movement in the system IS a bad thing.  Any movement before that bullet leaves the barrel can do weird things to a projectile.   But pinning a barrel to a receiver when your scope is mounted to the barrel isn't going to solve any problems.  I've tried it.  I've had family and friends try it.  It doesn't solve anything.  I'm not speaking hypothetically, I'm speaking from experience.  Believe it or not!    :D

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Re: JB Weld to pin barrel?
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2010, 12:19:46 PM »
hehehe you must not have seen many  ;)
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Re: JB Weld to pin barrel?
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2010, 03:32:27 PM »
I'll agree to disagree.   You're more than welcome to come shoot with me anytime.     ::)