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PTSD diagnosis on Driver's License in Georgia
« on: May 13, 2010, 04:11:28 PM »
  PTSD diagnosis on Driver's License in Georgia
 
I could see legislation like this coming from Mass., NY or Californicate, but Georgia?????

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/05/12...maged-license/

Veterans groups are blasting Georgia lawmakers for passing legislation that would allow a diagnosis of post-traumatic stress disorder to appear on driver's licenses.

Veterans groups are blasting Georgia lawmakers for passing legislation that would allow a diagnosis of post-traumatic stress disorder to appear on driver's licenses.
The legislation, which awaits Gov. Sonny Purdue's signature, would permit servicemembers and veterans to request a PTSD denotation, which would appear on their driver's licenses as a specific health problem, much like poor eyesight.
PTSD is an anxiety disorder that can occur after a traumatic event, including sexual assault, physical assault and military combat. Symptoms include vivid flashbacks to the traumatic event, depression and substance abuse, among others. Up to 20 percent of veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars suffer from PTSD, according to the Department of Veterans Affairs.
The bill would require a sworn statement from a physician verifying a diagnosis of PTSD and a waiver of liability for the release of the driver's medical information.
State Sen. Ron Ramsey, who co-sponsored the bill, says he sees no downside to the measure. In a statement to FoxNews.com, Ramsey, a Democrat, said the "completely voluntary" legislation may protect law enforcement officers and veterans from potentially dangerous situations.

"For example if a veteran suffering from PTSD was pulled over for a simple traffic violation, a designation on the license explaining the circumstances could inform an officer that the situation should be handled cautiously," the statement read. "If a veteran does not feel it is necessary to designate this on their license, then they do not have to. Again, it is entirely voluntary."
The bill's co-sponsor, State Sen. John Douglas, a Republican is an Army veteran who has also said the bill might encourage safer encounters between people with PTSD and law enforcement officials.
But veterans organizations contacted by FoxNews.com described the legislation as a "terrible idea."
Ryan Gallucci, a spokesman for AMVETS, a national organization representing 200,000 veterans, said the legislation puts veterans at risk of discrimination, even though the PTSD denotation would be voluntary.
He pointed out that driver's licenses are used for identification purposes that go far beyond encounters with police officers.
"Bar owners, liquor store owners could easily refuse service if they saw in black and white that a customer suffered from a mental illness -- even if it's service related," Gallucci wrote in an e-mail to FoxNews.com. "We already see enough negatives in how the public perceives today's veterans when it comes to mental health."
And he noted that all citizens -- veterans or otherwise -- have the opportunity to explain any medical condition to a judge when fighting a ticket.
"The police have an obligation to maintain order -- it doesn't matter why someone's breaking the law," Gallucci wrote. "Even with traffic tickets, you are entitled to your day in court. What AMVETS prefers to see are the veterans' courts we've seen spring up around the country designated to handle veterans' cases within the unique context of their experiences."
Marvin Myers, president of the Georgia Vietnam Veterans Alliance Inc., said he could think of no situation where a veteran would want to disclose his or her medical condition, including traffic stops.
"I don't understand the logic behind it whatsoever," he told FoxNews.com. "Why someone would voluntarily put this out there, I'm not sure."
He said he, too, was concerned of potential discrimination against veterans with PTSD.
"What happens if Jerry Smith has PTSD on his driver's license and he goes into a gun store? The clerk is going to say, 'Oh no, I'm not selling you that gun,'" Myers said. "I just think you open up Pandora's box. You're disclosing too much of yourself."
Myers acknowledged that the PTSD designation on a license could garner sympathy from law enforcement officials in some instances, but he said other members of his organization agreed that the legislation was misguided.
The Department of Veterans Affairs declined to comment when asked if it endorsed the legislation. Brian Zeringue, a spokesman for Georgia's Department of Veterans Service, said the agency had no objection to the law as long as the decision to include personal medical information on a driver's license is "left entirely up to" the veteran.
Chris Schrimpf, a spokesman for Purdue, said the Republican governor has not decided whether to sign the bill. A final decision will be made by June 8, he said.
Gordy Wright, a spokesman for Georgia State Patrol, said the PTSD designation, if signed into law, would give officers a visible alert to "be on guard" and more aware of potentially threatening actions.
"There would be an explanation to account for it," he said. "It can be a positive step for a positive outcome."
Wright insisted that drivers with the PTSD designation would not receive leniency.
"More or less, it's so the officer is aware of the condition and be alert for any sudden actions or movements," he said. "Never say never, but we would expect Georgia state troopers to conduct the traffic stop in a professional manner."
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Re: PTSD diagnosis on Driver's License in Georgia
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2010, 09:18:41 PM »
It's just another anti gun measure. Just slap that license down on the counter of your local gun shop and see how fast you get denied your firearm purchase.



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Re: PTSD diagnosis on Driver's License in Georgia
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2010, 09:25:40 PM »
This is a bunch of crap, pure and simple.

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Re: PTSD diagnosis on Driver's License in Georgia
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2010, 05:16:20 AM »
I'll show their butt PTSD!   >:(  What a crock... we all know how this "voluntary" stuff somehow becomes mandatory eventually!   ::)  What's next?  National ID cards?  All jews haveing to wear a Star of David on their outer garmet?  Rounding up all members of dissident groups or subversive religions for the "safety and good" of the (democrat) party and the state?

Wait, this is beginning to sound familier...  :-\
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Re: PTSD diagnosis on Driver's License in Georgia
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2010, 06:01:08 AM »
Whatsamatter AtlLaw? They get ya all fired up? :D See that's the problem with this lessor of two evils crap. Lessor of two evils means, as long as they don't take too many of my rights at a time, then that's better than them takin a bunch of my rights all at once.
Not too many at a time only means that your willin to let them take a few from me, realizin that someday when your am gone, your gonna leave ME (the future folks) with NONE, cause YOU traded'em away thru YOUR unwilling self-centeredness to take a stand NOW.
Now I'm sure that most of you Vietnam Vets KNOW that you took a screwin from the United States Government, but so did the rest of the country. The problem is, most of YOU know it, and most of the rest of the country DOESN'T know it.
When YOU came back, YOU got a JOB, (and regrettably a law degree ;D) and folks like McCain came back and RE-ENTERED the Royalty. He has pretended all these years to be yours and ours, friend while selling us all out. He is the EPITOMY OF THE LESSOR OF TWO EVILS.
Guys like HIM, won't be marked. Guys like HIM, won't be carry that driver's license, Guys like HIM, won't be scrutinized when buying a gun, Guys like HIM, won't be scrutinized when applying for a job, and so on, and so on, and so on.
Now AtlLaw, I don't know where you stand on other issues, cause you really have mostly stayed out of the mix during the discussions. You don't like this one cause it effects YOU, but what about the rest of what is goin on? All the rest of what is goin on, is what got you to HERE. ;)
Not tryin to offend you, cause I think we're friends, but this ain't the only problem. It's just the only one you have ever showed any interest in that I am aware of.
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Re: PTSD diagnosis on Driver's License in Georgia
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2010, 06:09:36 AM »
It's just another anti gun measure. Just slap that license down on the counter of your local gun shop and see how fast you get denied your firearm purchase.



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Re: PTSD diagnosis on Driver's License in Georgia
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2010, 08:40:16 AM »
In no way can this be construed as a "Veteran's Friend".  That designation is the unwanted herald of the Anti-Gun crowd.

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Re: PTSD diagnosis on Driver's License in Georgia
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2010, 10:01:28 AM »
Did anyone notice that some want to include medical records of all on DL's or state issued ID's ? Anyone could scan it . If I were a vet I believe I would pass on this one . It woul;d only take one cop to abuse this and use it to attack the guy saying he was acting in a way that was dangerous and use his DL as proof .
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Re: PTSD diagnosis on Driver's License in Georgia
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2010, 11:24:04 AM »
Hell this is a drop in the bucket. The Tea Party folks are deemed as anti-government terrorists. This is ONE GROUP of Americans. Everyone needs to quit sittin on their asses and only gettin upset when THEIR little niche is being attacked, but sittin back and watchin when it's someone else.
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Re: PTSD diagnosis on Driver's License in Georgia
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2010, 11:34:59 AM »
The lessor of two evils only offers two extreams, oh my we have no choice, what shall we do?
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Re: PTSD diagnosis on Driver's License in Georgia
« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2010, 11:40:39 AM »
Sure ya do. Ya got EVIL,and ya got EVIL LITE! Or ya can step outside the box and get some fresh air. But you have to do so in unison.
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Re: PTSD diagnosis on Driver's License in Georgia
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2010, 05:05:23 AM »
Yep, that is what got Sara Palin elected, (However I don't think she or anyone else would run on her state governor campaign platform.) eddie
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Re: PTSD diagnosis on Driver's License in Georgia
« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2010, 08:49:43 AM »
this ain't the only problem.

True Dan... true   :-\  I know there are many other problems and I have opinions on all of them, to one degree or another, and I also have opinions on just about any other subject that may come up.  Mostly I try to keep them to myself.   :(

I don't know why I said something about this one.  Maybe I'm just getting fed up with stuff to the point that I have to say something.   >:(  Bad thing for me to do as hard as I work at avoiding arguments!  You know me, never take anything seriously!  ;D

So I want to say right here and now that I am sorry I criticized the idiots we elected who are stupid enough to believe this action is necessary or even a good idea, or that it would be put to the imaginary use they intended and will not be perverted, and haven't the intellegence to understand they are contributing to the errosion of the core values of this country.

Of course, when you consider the voting public that put them in office I guess those qualities are reflected in said voting public.  :-\   I mean, look at the hue and cry by some people over a person who is attending the state university here in Kennesaw that was arrested for a couple of things and then turned over to the INS when it was learned she was an illegal alien that has been here since she was 11.   ::)

Okay, I feel better...    ;D  I'm off my soapbox now...   back to my "I could care less" attitude... gonna die soon anyway...   ;)

But I tell you!  Mark my words!   >:(  There will be no resistance when our freedoms are taken, no voting from the rooftops as it were.  We will all go quietly into that night.   :'(
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Re: PTSD diagnosis on Driver's License in Georgia
« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2010, 09:35:49 AM »
this ain't the only problem.
But I tell you!  Mark my words!   >:(  There will be no resistance when our freedoms are taken, no voting from the rooftops as it were.  We will all go quietly into that night.   :'(

Well Richard, I am glad you took it the way it was meant. I suspected you had opinions, and this one just hit a little closer to home, and flushed you out. Your last statement, which I have here, is EXACTLY the way it will be. The MAJORITY of the voting public is brainwashed into voting the "lessor of two evils" and believe it is the only way. They are in fact "the stone that sharpens the knife" that is trimmin away our freedoms a few at a time. When the most important freedoms have finally been traded away, THEIR CHILDREN, will then realize, what their parents, and  their grand parents have done, and it will be TOO LATE. As you say, our country will go quietly into the night, most likely never to return.
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Re: PTSD diagnosis on Driver's License in Georgia
« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2010, 03:50:42 PM »
Voteing from the rooftops with firearms if a "regime" were "takeing control" wouldn't be effective unless every citizen responded.

Without total citizen support, any resistance that could be successful would have to be of the guerilla tactics type. The main offensive weapons of that group are grenades and mortars and set charges used to attack infrastructure and specific tactical targets.

There is no communication network available to plan and carry out any such resistance. It would have to be a unanimous spontanious action taken by the populace. The spontaneous unanimous response hasn't worked so well for our elections to get rid of "the available evils" because we the people are too easily lead.

The laws on the books automaticly class these geurilla tactics as "terrorist activities" and the people doing them, even planning them, can simply be put away forever or eleminated, no trial no news flash.

And the greatest danger comes from your own military. If the comander is good, the local military base becomes the focal point of community. If he is bad, you have a rouge element with heavy weapons who want what you have, are well trained, have night vision kit etc.

I have seen well led malitia stand up to tanks operated by poorly led and demotivated regular cuban troops in Africa, but have never seen even regular troops stand up before  1st world armour and heavy artilery.   
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Re: PTSD diagnosis on Driver's License in Georgia
« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2010, 04:38:45 PM »
Yes indeed, eddiegjr. I was combining that thought with Richards remarks. You simply put it more plainly. That is precisely the problem. It is much like the agriculturist. He shouts freedom, and cashes the government check on his way home from the rally.
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Re: PTSD diagnosis on Driver's License in Georgia
« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2010, 05:22:15 PM »
Well, that would be interesting! Some of the worst cases of PTSD
that I know of are Veteran Police officers and Firemen. Sorry folks,
there are some dumb a$$es that get elected in Ga. I'm only one man,
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Re: PTSD diagnosis on Driver's License in Georgia
« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2010, 05:26:16 PM »
You are correct on the Police & Firemen. I have had that lecture personally.
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