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      Family business delayed the start, but we are now underway.


                                                   SEACOAST ARTILLERY COMPANY’S EIGHTH


                                 “WHAT IS IT?    WHERE IS IT?   CONTEST"

                                            
     This Contest is dedicated to all those people Mike and I have met over the years all around this great country of ours who have asked us all sorts of interesting questions about cannons, artillery and fort construction.    

     All members entering this contest will be asked to provide the type of cannon and it’s location for each of the cannon photos provided.  

     First, your answer should include a general description of the cannon as to it’s TYPE: Naval, Seacoast, Field Gun or Siege.  If you know a more specific type description such as 24 Pdr. Flank Howitzer M1844, please include this information.  The BORE SIZE is NOT necessary.  A guess here is O.K.

     Second, your answer should include the location of the cannon.  The nearest city or town and state is the minimum location. The name of the Fort, Park, Cemetery, Courthouse, Beach, Road, etc. is really nice to include, but not required.

  All those participating will be vying for the Title: Cannon Hunter, Extraordinaire.  However, please remember these things:  One, nobody really takes these Contests seriously and the purpose of all this is simply to have some fun.   Two days are allowed for each of these contests.  The member with the highest number of correct answers wins.  The winner receives our respect, applause, admiration and accolades.  Sorry, no free cannons!  We traveled all over the United States to take these photos and searched several historical photo archives to find the others.

Have Fun !      Mike and Tracy        Seacoast Artillery Company


1)   Admiral Farragut, lashed to the Hartford’s rigging, passed in front of this large gun during a forced passage here.  Nearby, in ’64, the Tennessee was a threat no more.  One of these guns was also located near the Pulpit at Fort Fisher during the battles in 1864 and 1865.  Today one of these is located on Trophy Point at the U.S.M.A. at West Point, New York.  What is it and where was it mounted during The War of Secession?




2)   Taken shortly after the War for Southern Independence, this photo features some huge projectiles used by two famous, imported    seacoast rifles.  Where was it taken and for what guns are these heavy bolts designed?




3)  You are looking North at the Barbette Level of a uniquely located, Third System      
fort.  What is that gun in the Western Bastion?  Where is this fort located?




4)   What type of cannon is this?  What type of mount is it on?  




5)   The artillerymen didn’t care for these too much during the War of the Rebellion.  They were heavy and harder to move than the 30 Pdr. Parrott rifles used in the same role and they had an odd sized ammunition.  What and Where is it?




6)   This is not a Dahlgren gun and was a thoroughly obsolete 32 Pdr. Smoothbore,  before it was mounted on a wooden warship in 1868 at the Washington Navy Yard.  We found it in an I.O.O.F. Cemetery.  What is the correct name of this naval artillery and where is it located?




7)   Can you name these two cannon which are in front of a well known museum?  Where are they located?




8)   This photo shows an early form of Garrison Gin being used for mounting a new tube upon a four-truck carriage in a bastion of one of the most unique forts in the United States.    What general type of gun is it and where is it located?  To locate this one take Horace Greeley’s famous advice to young men.





9)   Can you name these two and the cemetery or city where they now reside.  The Heavy Artillery Regiment, mustered in this city for the Civil War, lost more men than any other Union regiment in the war.    
  







Smokin' my pipe on the mountings, sniffin' the mornin'-cool,
I walks in my old brown gaiters along o' my old brown mule,
With seventy gunners be'ind me, an' never a beggar forgets
It's only the pick of the Army that handles the dear little pets - 'Tss! 'Tss!

From the poem  Screw-Guns  by Rudyard Kipling

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4) Canon de 75 modčle 1897  I believe it is a German adaptation cone mount for AA/Coastal defence.....
by the looks of the American helmet on the wall it is captured.

7) foreground Twelve-pounder Dahlgren boat howitzer behind it an 1841 six pounder
location Portsmouth Va. Portsmouth Naval shipyard museum

link http://www.portsnavalmuseums.com/
Mr president I do not cling to either my gun or my Bible.... my gun is holstered on my side so I may carry my Bible and quote from it!

Sed tamen sal petrae LURO VOPO CAN UTRIET sulphuris; et sic facies tonituum et coruscationem si scias artficium

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Absolutely excellent KABAR2!  You own #s 4 and 7.  We NEVER require caliber, so the fact that the howitzer is a 3.8" rifled one doesn't change anything.  Great, only 7 to go now.

T&M
Smokin' my pipe on the mountings, sniffin' the mornin'-cool,
I walks in my old brown gaiters along o' my old brown mule,
With seventy gunners be'ind me, an' never a beggar forgets
It's only the pick of the Army that handles the dear little pets - 'Tss! 'Tss!

From the poem  Screw-Guns  by Rudyard Kipling

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Is #8 a howitzer at Fort Point in Fort Mason, California?
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     Sorry, it's not.  Thought you had the numbers switched at first.  Keep digging, not many people know the relationship of Fort Mason to Fort Point.

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Smokin' my pipe on the mountings, sniffin' the mornin'-cool,
I walks in my old brown gaiters along o' my old brown mule,
With seventy gunners be'ind me, an' never a beggar forgets
It's only the pick of the Army that handles the dear little pets - 'Tss! 'Tss!

From the poem  Screw-Guns  by Rudyard Kipling

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Okay, #3 is fort point but I can't tell what the gun is.
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32 pounder seacoast gun?  A good guess for that fort.
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#5 looks like a 4.5" siege rifle.
Don't know where. ???
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#6
8" Bureau of Ordnance gun?
Don't know where.
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Okay, #3 is fort point but I can't tell what the gun is.
Zulu

32 pounder seacoast gun?  A good guess for that fort.

Fort Point is correct; how did you know without the Goldengate Bridge in the pic?  32 pdr., no, but on further reflection a better pic of that gun is needed.  Here is another of that type of cannon at Fort Point.  Zulu has 1/2 credit on #3.  4.5" seige rifle is correct.  Where? 1/2 credit on #5.  Hint is below in the second photo.


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This origin of this man's tragic voyage is the same water in the 4.5 seige rifle picture.  The stone, we located in the Miles Standish Cemetery.

Smokin' my pipe on the mountings, sniffin' the mornin'-cool,
I walks in my old brown gaiters along o' my old brown mule,
With seventy gunners be'ind me, an' never a beggar forgets
It's only the pick of the Army that handles the dear little pets - 'Tss! 'Tss!

From the poem  Screw-Guns  by Rudyard Kipling

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Is #9 a Parrott rifle and a 24 pounder Howitzer in Washington D.C.?
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Re: Seacoast Artillery Presents the 8TH What is it?-Where is it? Contest
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2010, 12:41:04 PM »
# 3
8" Columbiad
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Re: Seacoast Artillery Presents the 8TH What is it?-Where is it? Contest
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2010, 12:43:25 PM »
  
#6
8" Bureau of Ordnance gun?
Don't know where.
Zulu

     On this one the weight is part of the name; the caliber is 32 Pdr. as I indicated in the question.  'Bureau of Ordnance' is correct for part of the name.


Is #9 a Parrott rifle and a 24 pounder Howitzer in Washington D.C.?

1/2 credit for cannon I.D.  The hint is adequate to get the City and State.  #9 1/2 credit Zulu.  

Some of you live within a few miles of a couple of these; can you help us out here?

    
Smokin' my pipe on the mountings, sniffin' the mornin'-cool,
I walks in my old brown gaiters along o' my old brown mule,
With seventy gunners be'ind me, an' never a beggar forgets
It's only the pick of the Army that handles the dear little pets - 'Tss! 'Tss!

From the poem  Screw-Guns  by Rudyard Kipling

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Re: Seacoast Artillery Presents the 8TH What is it?-Where is it? Contest
« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2010, 01:27:28 PM »
     You now own #3, Zulu. Congrats.  You are also tied with KABAR2 with 2 credits each.  The 8" Columbiad shown is the only Columbiad with a chamber and has a year associated with it, 1844.  Mike and I found an original one about 60 miles east of Fort Point in Grass Valley, California in a postage sized park called Dow Alexander Park.  It was at the fort in the middle and late 1800s before being shipped to the San Fransisco  Armory from which it came in 1911.

Anybody could still win this contest.  Computer research people, this is Your chance!

T&M
Smokin' my pipe on the mountings, sniffin' the mornin'-cool,
I walks in my old brown gaiters along o' my old brown mule,
With seventy gunners be'ind me, an' never a beggar forgets
It's only the pick of the Army that handles the dear little pets - 'Tss! 'Tss!

From the poem  Screw-Guns  by Rudyard Kipling

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Re: Seacoast Artillery Presents the 8TH What is it?-Where is it? Contest
« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2010, 01:28:41 PM »
 
#6
8" Bureau of Ordnance gun?
Don't know where.
Zulu

     On this one the weight is part of the name; the caliber is 32 Pdr. as I indicated in the question.  'Bureau of Ordnance' is correct for part of the name.


Is #9 a Parrott rifle and a 24 pounder Howitzer in Washington D.C.?

1/2 credit for cannon I.D.  The hint is adequate to get the City and State.  #9 1/2 credit Zulu.  

Some of you live within a few miles of a couple of these; can you help us out here?

    

#6
32 pounder Bureau of ordinance gun?
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Re: Seacoast Artillery Presents the 8TH What is it?-Where is it? Contest
« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2010, 01:36:20 PM »
Okay, #3 is fort point but I can't tell what the gun is.
Zulu

32 pounder seacoast gun?  A good guess for that fort.

Fort Point is correct; how did you know without the Goldengate Bridge in the pic?  32 pdr., no, but on further reflection a better pic of that gun is needed.  Here is another of that type of cannon at Fort Point.  Zulu has 1/2 credit on #3.  4.5" seige rifle is correct.  Where? 1/2 credit on #5.  Hint is below in the second photo.


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This origin of this man's tragic voyage is the same water in the 4.5 seige rifle picture.  The stone, we located in the Miles Standish Cemetery.



I'm going to guess the location of #5 is Falmouth, Mass.
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Re: Seacoast Artillery Presents the 8TH What is it?-Where is it? Contest
« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2010, 01:39:06 PM »
     No, sorry.  The weight, you know, as in, 'how much it weighs'.  This gun is unique, being a smoothbore with an outdated caliber, i.e. 32 Pdr. and no screw elevation!!  A quoin must be used!! AND made after 1865, from the year 1866 and on with a huge production number of over 400 made!!  No official explanation exists for this; we think it was a political thing, done as payback for jumping through lots of hoops during the war.  One heck of a contract for thoroughly obsolete guns.

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Smokin' my pipe on the mountings, sniffin' the mornin'-cool,
I walks in my old brown gaiters along o' my old brown mule,
With seventy gunners be'ind me, an' never a beggar forgets
It's only the pick of the Army that handles the dear little pets - 'Tss! 'Tss!

From the poem  Screw-Guns  by Rudyard Kipling

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Re: Seacoast Artillery Presents the 8TH What is it?-Where is it? Contest
« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2010, 01:42:01 PM »
    No, sorry.  The weight, you know, as in, 'how much it weighs'.  This gun is unique, being a smoothbore with an outdated caliber, i.e. 32 Pdr. and no screw elevation!!  A quoin must be used!! AND made after 1865, from the year 1866 and on with a huge production number of over 400 made!!  No official explanation exists for this; we think it was a political thing, done as payback for jumping through lots of hoops during the war.  One heck of a contract for thoroughly obsolete guns.

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32 pounder Bureau of ordinance gun of 4500 lbs. ;D
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Re: Seacoast Artillery Presents the 8TH What is it?-Where is it? Contest
« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2010, 01:44:22 PM »
# 3
8" Columbiad
Zulu

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Is this right?
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Re: Seacoast Artillery Presents the 8TH What is it?-Where is it? Contest
« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2010, 02:32:35 PM »
# 3
8" Columbiad
Zulu

T&M
Is this right?
Zulu

Right, you have full credit on the Columbiad at Fort Point.  Good going.  #3 is owned by Zulu.



    No, sorry.  The weight, you know, as in, 'how much it weighs'.  This gun is unique, being a smoothbore with an outdated caliber, i.e. 32 Pdr. and no screw elevation!!  A quoin must be used!! AND made after 1865, from the year 1866 and on with a huge production number of over 400 made!!  No official explanation exists for this; we think it was a political thing, done as payback for jumping through lots of hoops during the war.  One heck of a contract for thoroughly obsolete guns.

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32 pounder Bureau of ordinance gun of 4500 lbs. ;D
Zulu
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     That's it!  Gun Type, 1/2 credit to Zulu.  Location?         Hint:  this gun's nickname was "Big Bill" and it served on the Kearsarge in 1867.  

KABAR2  Credit-  2       Zulu  Credit-  2 1/2

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Smokin' my pipe on the mountings, sniffin' the mornin'-cool,
I walks in my old brown gaiters along o' my old brown mule,
With seventy gunners be'ind me, an' never a beggar forgets
It's only the pick of the Army that handles the dear little pets - 'Tss! 'Tss!

From the poem  Screw-Guns  by Rudyard Kipling

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Re: Seacoast Artillery Presents the 8TH What is it?-Where is it? Contest
« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2010, 02:45:00 PM »
Okay, #3 is fort point but I can't tell what the gun is.
Zulu

32 pounder seacoast gun?  A good guess for that fort.

Fort Point is correct; how did you know without the Goldengate Bridge in the pic?  32 pdr., no, but on further reflection a better pic of that gun is needed.  Here is another of that type of cannon at Fort Point.  Zulu has 1/2 credit on #3.  4.5" seige rifle is correct.  Where? 1/2 credit on #5.  Hint is below in the second photo.


T&M





This origin of this man's tragic voyage is the same water in the 4.5 seige rifle picture.  The stone, we located in the Miles Standish Cemetery.



I'm going to guess the location of #5 is Falmouth, Mass.


     Sorry, it's not Falmouth.  Look at the hint.  It's the "Origin" of John Alden's ill-fated journey we are talking about.  Type that in a good search engine and voila!  Name of city should pop up too.

T&M
Smokin' my pipe on the mountings, sniffin' the mornin'-cool,
I walks in my old brown gaiters along o' my old brown mule,
With seventy gunners be'ind me, an' never a beggar forgets
It's only the pick of the Army that handles the dear little pets - 'Tss! 'Tss!

From the poem  Screw-Guns  by Rudyard Kipling

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Re: Seacoast Artillery Presents the 8TH What is it?-Where is it? Contest
« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2010, 04:04:47 PM »
A clue to help interpret the first clue on #5's location.  The long s became more upright in the eighth century and looks, to us like an f.  Now everybody can plug the name of the bay into Google and get the answer.

Keep on keepin on.

T&M

Letter I.D. clue from the title of Milton's book..

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I walks in my old brown gaiters along o' my old brown mule,
With seventy gunners be'ind me, an' never a beggar forgets
It's only the pick of the Army that handles the dear little pets - 'Tss! 'Tss!

From the poem  Screw-Guns  by Rudyard Kipling

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Re: Seacoast Artillery Presents the 8TH What is it?-Where is it? Contest
« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2010, 04:16:17 PM »
Portland, Maine? ???
Zulu

Modify
Looks like Fort Gorges!
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Re: Seacoast Artillery Presents the 8TH What is it?-Where is it? Contest
« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2010, 04:40:38 PM »
  Unmodify, you had it right with Portland, Maine.  Fort Gorges is in Casco Bay just out of the photo; we could not rent a boat to save our lives the last time we were there.  Someday we will get out to the granite ledge that Fort Gorges was built on and see the 300 Pdr. Parrott Seacoast Rifle still up on the terraplein after all these years.  

Congrats Zulu, you now have 3 full credits, however some really sharp computer ace or historian type could still give you a run for the money.

We have had new people come from behind before and ace out the old hands.  

You are doing great, just relax and enjoy yourself now.  He, he, he.   ;D ;D

T&M
Smokin' my pipe on the mountings, sniffin' the mornin'-cool,
I walks in my old brown gaiters along o' my old brown mule,
With seventy gunners be'ind me, an' never a beggar forgets
It's only the pick of the Army that handles the dear little pets - 'Tss! 'Tss!

From the poem  Screw-Guns  by Rudyard Kipling

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Re: Seacoast Artillery Presents the 8TH What is it?-Where is it? Contest
« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2010, 05:53:36 PM »
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Alexandria, Virginia? ???
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Re: Seacoast Artillery Presents the 8TH What is it?-Where is it? Contest
« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2010, 06:29:54 PM »
#6 looks like near the battleship Maine memorial Fort Allen park Eastern Prom Portland Me

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Re: Seacoast Artillery Presents the 8TH What is it?-Where is it? Contest
« Reply #25 on: May 15, 2010, 07:04:12 PM »
  Thank you for that extra information on #5, Pine Point.  Zulu has answered this one completely, but I have not done a partial score card yet so it's kind of hard to tell what needs to be answered as yet.  Ethan Allen Park was very beautiful and affords magnificent views of Casco Bay with all those sailboats and Fort Gorges.  We found memorials to the Battleship Maine and the WWII USS Portland as well.

Thank you!

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Smokin' my pipe on the mountings, sniffin' the mornin'-cool,
I walks in my old brown gaiters along o' my old brown mule,
With seventy gunners be'ind me, an' never a beggar forgets
It's only the pick of the Army that handles the dear little pets - 'Tss! 'Tss!

From the poem  Screw-Guns  by Rudyard Kipling

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Re: Seacoast Artillery Presents the 8TH What is it?-Where is it? Contest
« Reply #26 on: May 15, 2010, 07:14:22 PM »
 An Accounting of the score thus far is tabulated here:

1.                                                                      KABAR2-2

2.                                                                      Zulu-3

3.  Zulu  Full Credit

4.  KABAR2  Full Credit

5.  Zulu  Full Credit

6.  Zulu  1/2 Credit

7.  KABAR2  Full Credit

8.  

9.  Zulu  1/2 Credit

So, the opportunity still exists for a contestant to tie the leader and force a New Photo-Question Tie-Breaker or for KABAR2 to stage a comeback.  Time will tell.

T&M
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I walks in my old brown gaiters along o' my old brown mule,
With seventy gunners be'ind me, an' never a beggar forgets
It's only the pick of the Army that handles the dear little pets - 'Tss! 'Tss!

From the poem  Screw-Guns  by Rudyard Kipling

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Re: Seacoast Artillery Presents the 8TH What is it?-Where is it? Contest
« Reply #27 on: May 15, 2010, 08:17:44 PM »
     First, note that in Question #1, the photo we used to show this big rifle in it's wartime location was shot from north to south and that little building seen just above the trunnions was seen, by Mike and I on our visits to this remarkable place, to lie outside the fort counterscarp wall, actually in the sand dunes between the counterscarp and the gulf shore to the south.

     Final Hints for #1 are in this historical photo below.  This is a huge hint as to location.  The burned out section of this Third System fort is called the Citadel spelled the same as 'The Citadel', 'The Military School of South Carolina' in Charleston, South Carolina.  It was envisioned as a last defense location, but was used primarily as a barracks and offices.  It was so badly damaged that it was completely removed after the war.  This photo was taken in 1864 just after cessation of hostilities and our cannon in Question #1 can be seen across the citadel wreakage and on the opposite terraplein in the upper left.  It is pointing due west towards the channel where Farragut's ships passed.  North is almost straight up or away from the viewer.  The ship seen in this old glass plate negative is most likely either the Hartford or the Brooklyn according to state historians we have talked to.  The ironclad, CSS Tennessee was beached on the north shore of this penninsular land formation.  As Farragut's warships forced a passage past this fort, a 'Torpedo' (naval mine) sent one of his monitor's to the bottom in less than 3 minutes.  It's name was the middle name of the Union General who was cursed in the South for his infamous 'March to the Sea'.

As for #2,  Mike and I employed Jack Thomson of Civil War Walking Tours to show us Everything he knew about what the Federal Artillery did to this city, about 3.5 miles from the most bombarded places on the North American Continent.  He also showed us the very spot where, 10 years ago he was watching a power utility company dig up a street corner under the Civil War location of our huge cannon in question.  They were down about 5 feet when they ran into an extensive area of closely spaced Yellow Pine 12 x 12 timbers, obviously the foundation of the gun platform.  He wangled a large chunk for a souvenir.  Better money we have never spent; this tour was absolutely the best.  We spent four days here; we should have made it a week!

Good luck,

T&M





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Re: Seacoast Artillery Presents the 8TH What is it?-Where is it? Contest
« Reply #28 on: May 16, 2010, 04:54:38 AM »
2) I believe are Blakely bolts see sketch.



link http://captainblakely.org/default.aspx

Is 1) a Blakely rifle? the muzzle swell is confusing me

and the "widiow Blakley is of no help without it's muzzle....

http://www.civilwarartillery.com/Vicksburg/widowblakely.htm
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Re: Seacoast Artillery Presents the 8TH What is it?-Where is it? Contest
« Reply #29 on: May 16, 2010, 05:06:27 AM »
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Fort Morgan ;D
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