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Offline alan in ga

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Contender barrel 'lugs'...?
« on: May 16, 2010, 05:01:20 AM »
I have access to a source of Contender barrel lugs. It is totally machined [CNC] except for the extractor relief in the barrel/block face, which is done after welding/fitting.
Anyone welded up their own Contender barrels?
The 'source' was a custom gun guild/shop that WAS going to offer custom barrels but got into other custom rifle building instead. I'd guess they have a box of about 75 or so lugs.

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Re: Contender barrel 'lugs'...?
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2010, 03:07:57 PM »
I can't tell from your post what your intention is.  If you are wondering how to go about building your own barrels perhaps a post on the Gunsmithing forum would get more response.  If you want to sell these then it doesn't belong here and will be removed.  If you just want to discuss building your own Contender barrels it will be an interesting thread, if anyone has experience and wants to respond.
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Re: Contender barrel 'lugs'...?
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2010, 03:25:21 PM »
Only discussion. My post drew a request to sell but the point is the BUILDING of my own Contender barrels. A friend is an aircraft machinist AND custom gunsmith who also uses Contenders. We intend to explore the possibilitys!

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Re: Contender barrel 'lugs'...?
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2010, 06:34:02 PM »
 :o Being a factory welder, my first thought is 'Tig!'  I believe that would be the type of welder that would be required to do that, especiallly if you intend to build heavy recoiling calibers.  Some older contender barrels were silver soldered but, they were .22 lr and such.
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Re: Contender barrel 'lugs'...?
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2010, 04:05:19 AM »
My gunsmith friend has had these lugs for years. He is the 'mentor' that got me into buying my own metal lathes and doing my own barrel fitting which I have enjoyed immensely.
I've always thought Contenders were 'final smithed' what with welding being a major step in any gunsmithing of the barrels.
I have developed a good friendship with another custom gunsmith, we get together with lots of interesting thoughts of what is and what is NOT 'worth doing' with our time. I'm 59 years old and am still greatly enjoying my guns, but realize I had more projects than I would ever 'finish'. Some ideas still crop up and Contender smithing or building is one of them. Now that this friend can offer skills I do not have [welding and aircraft level machining] I am once again thinking about whether or not welding Contender lugs is 'worth doing'. I've come to learn that sometimes someone else has done something, and it is not worth 'doing it myself' when the same thing is offered at a good price and the offering party has already suffered the expenses of 'setup'.
However my friend is also a Contender owner and fan, so the idea of maybe building a few barrels is the topic...ESPECIALLY since this small supply of lugs is available!
I would have no problem at all with building LOW INTENSITY rounds/barrels, but the welding surely must be precise and 'done right' before higher intensity rounds are built -such as the .25-35 Win.

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Re: Contender barrel 'lugs'...?
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2010, 04:09:26 AM »
I'm also wondering what in the world would be a good price on the lugs! I should be able to get them at a reasonable price but there isn't any 'comps' to compare them to! He GAVE me a couple to have. I can probably get them inexpensively.
Still have to purchase the extractors and bolt assemblys.

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Re: Contender barrel 'lugs'...?
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2010, 02:19:36 PM »
 ;)   If I'm not mistaken, Tig welding is also called tungsten carbide welding and makes a very fine weld, small in size.  It has become cheaper in the last decade and isn't difficult.  You'd just have to find someone locally that does it.  In the old days, they called it Heli-Arc, same thing.

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Re: Contender barrel 'lugs'...?
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2010, 04:47:30 PM »
I've always wanted a 22 SHORT MATCH rifle bull barrel. This might be the project's initial 'go'.

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Re: Contender barrel 'lugs'...?
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2010, 07:03:52 AM »
I now own a box of lugs,, just over 97 of them I believe.
22 Short Match will be the first project!

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Re: Contender barrel 'lugs'...?
« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2010, 12:09:25 PM »
Most folks to include folks with some knowledge of welding seem to think the task of attaching the lug to Contender barrels is no big deal. They are DEAD WRONG and in fact that idea some day likely will get someone killed.

It is neither simple or anything like what most other welding is like. Folks who do it right and professionally understand what's involved. A whole lotta folks have tried to do it and mostly made a big mess.

I'll not mention names here, heck it would just read banned even if I tried,  :o but once upon a long time ago a fellow who thought of himself as the ultimate source of knowledge on Contenders solicted a contract with SSK. The story was told to me by JD himself. He told the fellow to build some with no chamber and submit them for inspection and he'd decide on whether to allow him to put them together for SSK use.

When JD got them none of them were usable or even safe. He put the lugs I think in a vise and rapped them with a rubber mallet on the barrel or maybe it was vice versa with barrel in vise. Been a long time I forget which was held by vice and which rapped with mallet. The result was all came apart due to poor welding procedure. Needless to say no contract resulted.

SSK uses the same procedure as TC. I don't know what the welding process is called but I do know that it involves preheating both lug and barrel to some predetermined temperature and then using the proper type welding medium whether stick or wire I don't recall but think it's wire. They are then allowed to cool over a set period of time and tested. If you apply too much heat the barrel or lug or both will be brittle and dangerous. Too little and you don't get the proper bonding. It is anything but a simple procedure and anyone new to it should expect to ruin a bunch of lugs and barrels in the process.

I just hope that if you proceed with this you do the world a favor and don't sell any of them to anyone else who might be maimed by the workmanship. Sure you might actually get it right but a whole buncha folks with more experience have tried and failed and even today there are some real unsafe barrels floating around waiting to harm someone when it comes from together to apart.


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Re: Contender barrel 'lugs'...?
« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2010, 12:28:47 PM »
I agree fully with your post. My friend is certified to work on jet aircraft engines and is quite the experienced machinist. We won't be selling any barrels and have not even decided if we want to make them. Your post is well received.

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Re: Contender barrel 'lugs'...?
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2010, 04:09:46 AM »
Looked at some barrel lug welds. I have inspected one older but presently in business aftermarket Contender barrel makers weld...looks poor!
Also just looked at a MGM weld, almost a work of art to look at!
The box of Contender lugs could wind up as paper weights, but then they would be 'usable'!