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Offline Dand

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Re: This happened to me TODAY!!!! Updated!!!!
« Reply #30 on: May 18, 2010, 11:55:54 PM »
To Original Poster.  I don't think the airlines are supposed to or allowed to require you to provide make model sn of the gun being transported. They aren't supposed to handle them either. Neither is TSA. I got in an argument with a TSA guy and told him he wasn't trained or qualified to handle all guns he was likely to encounter and refused to let him touch mine; locked it in its hard case and put it in my luggage like the law requires.  He backed off.

What you did when you properly transported your gun is exactly what I have done whenever I travel. In Montana some security guys took me to a secure room where I could show them the guns were unloaded and relock the case but they didn't handle them, I did.

Your experience is very disturbing. Some of us might not react as wisely as you. But it got me to thinking. I just contacted American Rifleman and suggested that in addition to "The Armed Citizen" they need to add a column of "Misguided Govt." I copied the URL to this thread for them to read. I think these incompetent abuses of power need to be exposed. This is government terror and we can't afford to tolerate much of it - especially for the flimsy excuse they had in your case. You should contact your senators and reps if they are at all sympathetic.

Shoot in your case I wonder if they could have cuffed you and then holstered their guns?  I think I would have preferred that to being under those guns for 15 min.

I have a condo in one town and a home in another - have to fly between them - no roads. I have been thinking of putting in a small gun safe in the condo and leaving a gun there to save the hassle of flying a gun back and forth. If it wasn't in Alaska where airlines are used to guns, I'd be worried of getting the same treatment as you.

BTW, Alaskan friends of ours flew to Indiana for a wedding. They got as far as Chicago I think when a security gate went nuts on their 14 yr old boy. Turned out he had stuffed a .22LR cartridge in the shoulder strap of his back pack a last fall. The wife and 3 boys had to go thru partial strip searches and all sorts of questions but did manage to catch their flight in time. No rough treatment was mentioned tho.

Strange thing is, that kid has been on at least 3 other flights thru several security checks with that 22 round and was never detected before.
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Re: This happened to me TODAY!!!! Updated!!!!
« Reply #31 on: May 19, 2010, 05:07:17 AM »
I don't feel that the golden rule applies to on duty use by LEO. it is a piece of equipment that they use  for any number of reasons. Don't confuse LEO with civilian. They have different rules.

BS  Gun safety is gun safety.  The gun has no idea it is being held by a LEO or a civilian.  And believe me there are just as many trigger happy and or incompetent LEOs out their as there are civilians.
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« Reply #32 on: May 19, 2010, 08:50:32 AM »
I don't feel that the golden rule applies to on duty use by LEO. it is a piece of equipment that they use  for any number of reasons. Don't confuse LEO with civilian. They have different rules.

BS  Gun safety is gun safety.  The gun has no idea it is being held by a LEO or a civilian.  And believe me there are just as many trigger happy and or incompetent LEOs out their as there are civilians.


I'm with ya on that.
 A LEO with a gun at the ready is fine, but one with a gun pointed at you is threatening your life.
Several years back we had a 14 year old kid (accidentally) shot and killed because of this type of unsafe gun handling.
I say accidentally because the officer did not intend to shoot but he did purposely handle his weapon in an unsafe manner.

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Re: This happened to me TODAY!!!! Updated!!!!
« Reply #33 on: May 19, 2010, 09:22:35 AM »
wreckhog, if you dont feel threatened when a gun is pointed at you, you are a damn fool. 

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« Reply #34 on: May 19, 2010, 09:45:15 AM »
wreckhog, if you dont feel threatened when a gun is pointed at you, you are a damn fool. 
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« Reply #35 on: May 19, 2010, 10:15:21 AM »
wreckhog, if you dont feel threatened when a gun is pointed at you, you are a damn fool.  

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When I was stationed in Korea (during the time when there was a midnight curfew for the whole country, don't know if that's changed now). Was out after midnight in a militay deuce and a half on official military business with another soldier to pick up a shipment of gear from a hanger at Kimpo Air base (civilian air base, guarded by ROK soldiers at the gate) As we pulled up the Korean soldier brought his firearm to bear on us --- and yes I indeed felt very threatened.


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« Reply #36 on: May 19, 2010, 10:20:09 AM »
+3 in spades .
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Re: This happened to me TODAY!!!! Updated!!!!
« Reply #37 on: May 19, 2010, 10:47:32 AM »
+4 in double spades!
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Re: This happened to me TODAY!!!! Updated!!!!
« Reply #38 on: May 19, 2010, 11:02:42 AM »
I don't like to be around people with guns unless i have one with bullets !
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« Reply #39 on: May 19, 2010, 11:20:41 AM »
I don't like to be around people with guns unless i have one with bullets !

That's the truth.  Maybe I'm just paranoid, but I shoot at a local "self-serve" range (ie, there is no one on duty - it's a DNR provided range in the woods that anyone can use).  If I'm there, I carry an extra gun in a regular side holster - period.  It goes with me downrange when I am changing targets, but it has always stayed holstered when down range. 

In addition to that, if I'm there with only 1 other party, then I don't set out long distance targets unless all of them are setting them out too.  I'll walk out and put out a pistol target but thats it.  At NO time am I going to put myself downrange and open with just one armed group on the other end with several thousand dollars worth of hardware sitting on the table.  I don't want the range crowded, but I feel much more comfortable when we have 4-5 groups there shooting.

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Re: This happened to me TODAY!!!! Updated!!!!
« Reply #40 on: May 20, 2010, 05:57:21 AM »
i do the same thing.  when i am shooting there is always a loaded gun on me; usually a different one than i am shooting. 

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« Reply #41 on: May 20, 2010, 06:00:26 AM »
Most ranges here require all guns unloaded . Or COLD as they say. When training on a hot range we were required to list all weapons and location on the body .
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« Reply #42 on: May 20, 2010, 06:46:00 AM »
When I am alone on our club range I take the bolt from the rifle before going to anything furher then the 25 yard targets. If I have a firearm with me that can't be rendered safe his way, the Missus will come along.
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« Reply #43 on: May 21, 2010, 03:31:25 AM »
You mean they give them bullets?  ???

I'd say your civil rights were violated.

I'd contact an attorney.
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« Reply #44 on: May 21, 2010, 03:48:11 AM »
wreckhog, if you dont feel threatened when a gun is pointed at you, you are a damn fool. 

Or like myself you're not afraid.
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Re: This happened to me TODAY!!!! Updated!!!!
« Reply #45 on: May 21, 2010, 06:00:04 AM »
I'm thinking out loud:
  Would that have happened to you if you belonged to a visible minority?
Would the media been all over this??
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« Reply #46 on: May 21, 2010, 06:15:46 AM »
My wife's college friend married a very white looking Lebanese guy with a very Arab name. He is a good guy, goes fishing every chance he gets, goes moose hunting every fall. Their first date was fishing. Which she had no clue about, and still does not. Owns 1 gun, a Remington 700 .270, and shoots it well. Has more fly fishing crap than anyone else I know. He is a national level sales director and has to fly practically every week to play golf with clients all over the country. Anyway, both she and he get throughly checked by TSA every time they fly. One way tickets, weird every changing itineraries paid for by someone else (his staff), first class all the way. It ain't that random. I think that he is considered a minority. She is just an Irish Catlick with an Arab surname.

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Re: This happened to me TODAY!!!! Updated!!!!
« Reply #47 on: May 21, 2010, 08:42:01 AM »
  Too bad, but its always easier to arrest someone who's leading a legal life.
 
  A friend who worked for a sheriff's dept. in a vice squad investigation in Denver was "busted" by some kid with a PPK in federal law enforcement. The bustee complied with hands raised; no agression, but the guy cocked his PPK anyhow. Pretty stupid. Very careless, but could have been disasterous. Since it was one agency against another, internal affairs took it up and scortched him enough he probably won't cock his P thing ever again. 
 The moral to the story is: When tentions run high, even people who know better naturally get careless; whomever they may be.

 If worse comes to worse and you get shot accidently, unless they hit a major nerve center, there is no immeadiate sension of pain      ...hurts like the devil after about a half hour though.   -some consolation. ::)

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Re: This happened to me TODAY!!!! Updated!!!!
« Reply #48 on: May 21, 2010, 10:22:18 AM »
I don't feel that the golden rule applies to on duty use by LEO. it is a piece of equipment that they use  for any number of reasons. Don't confuse LEO with civilian. They have different rules.


And I sure wouldn't confuse the TSA agents I see at the airport with real trained LEO's either. 

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« Reply #49 on: May 21, 2010, 10:51:52 AM »
wreckhog, if you dont feel threatened when a gun is pointed at you, you are a damn fool. 

Or like myself you're not afraid.

am i supposed to be impressed?  if that is the case, you are a damn fool too. 

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Re: This happened to me TODAY!!!! Updated!!!!
« Reply #50 on: May 21, 2010, 11:39:14 AM »
wreckhog, if you dont feel threatened when a gun is pointed at you, you are a damn fool. 

Or like myself you're not afraid.

am i supposed to be impressed?  if that is the case, you are a damn fool too. 


No doubt about that.  ::)


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Re: This happened to me TODAY!!!! Updated!!!!
« Reply #51 on: May 21, 2010, 01:17:30 PM »
wreckhog, if you dont feel threatened when a gun is pointed at you, you are a damn fool. 

Or like myself you're not afraid.

am i supposed to be impressed?  if that is the case, you are a damn fool too. 


No doubt about that.  ::)
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