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Re: 257 weatherby best all around
« Reply #30 on: May 29, 2010, 08:21:42 AM »
;D nomosendaro, earlier in this thread, you mentioned you had a .264 on the way.  What kind? I have seen several nice Remington's in this caliber  around the state...I think one was a Sendaro....I have thought with the number of new bullets for the .264 it would be nice to revisit this caliber...the last one I had was the classic model Rem. brought out in the 90's....I eventually had a 26 inch barrel put on, but the models I have seen here all had the 26 in. std....

Ruger Number 1, std conf. with 26" tube, a Lipsey special. I was a little doubtful to get a #1, as I had less than ideal accuracy from those in the past. However, 2 things have happened since. 1. Ruger now has an excellant barrel on their #1, for years they did not. 2. I have the Seyfried forearm info to enhance accuracy if I have a hint of an accuracy issue that is bedding related.

We will see, if I can't get 1/2 MOA, it's gone, but I have confidence in this one.
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Re: 257 weatherby best all around
« Reply #31 on: June 05, 2010, 07:13:03 PM »
with out a dought- the 257 weatherby is the best all around cal.  from ground hogs to elk it will do it all. why waste your money on anything else????

Because there are so many options that are better choices?

A .257 Wby will take small varmints but it burns too much powder and has too much recoil for a heavy day at dog town.  That is .223 territory.  At best a .257 Weatherby makes a good choice for occasional varmints at extreme ranges.

For elk-sized critters the .257 Wby is limited at most to bullets running 120g.  While a lot of elk have fallen to various .25’s, my opinion is the 6mm’s and .25’s are on the smallish side for elk.  This even though I’ve seen a 6x6 bull that was dropped in its tracks.  The problem I have is not with what happens when things go right as it is with what happens when things go wrong.  My preference is towards fatter and heavier bullets  for elk.
 
The .257 Wby is a flat shooter and makes an excellent choice for long range antelope, deer and sheep.  The truth, however, is that most such game is taken at ranges where the flat shooting characteristics of the .257 Wby make little difference.  In other words, for most purposes a .25-06 or even a .257 Roberts is just fine.

I’m not a big believer in having a “one gun battery” even though for over 20 years my only bolt rifle was a 7mm Rem Mag that I used to take prairie dogs to elk.  These days I have a heavy barrel .22-250 for dog town and multiple rifles in the 7mm and up bore size.  The 7mm Rem Mag and 160g bullets have been my most used rifle for elk and it has never let me down.  Frankly, for elk I would choose my 7mm Rem Mag, my .308 Win, one of my .30-06s or my .300 Win Mag before I would choose a .257 Wby.

My favorite rifle is my .257 Roberts, however, and consider its 22” barrel a perfect match for a .25 caliber.  With 75g V-Max it is an excellent long range p-dog riifle, easy on the shoulder, easy on powder consumption, and recoil is light enough you can often see the hits or misses.  With 100g TTSX at +P velocities (3200+ fps) or 110g AccuBonds (3150+ fps),it makes a heck of a choice for antelope and deer sized game.  When I take it on combined mule deer/elk hunts it gets loaded with 120g A-Frames running a smidge under 2950fps.  While I don’t hunt elk with it specifically, if a good opportunity arises and it is what is in my hand, chances are I’ll take a shot.

.257 Weatherby?  No thanks.  I’ll stick to my 7mm Rem Mag and up for elk and for less I much prefer the Roberts – or even a standard .25-06.



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Re: 257 weatherby best all around
« Reply #32 on: June 06, 2010, 02:44:20 AM »
I think sometimes caliber selection is more regional maybe 90% instate and 10% out of state use that may not happen every year.  I sure don't consider the 257Wby a volume type PD rifle so for me it would lose the title All Around Cal.

I had one build for my nephew and I have to say the 257Wby was fun to shoot and I'm not a fan of the 25 cal.  I had it set up as  antelope/muley buck rifle but he could use it for elk if he had to.

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Re: 257 weatherby best all around
« Reply #33 on: June 08, 2010, 06:50:41 PM »
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I had one build for my nephew and I have to say the 257Wby was fun to shoot and I'm not a fan of the 25 cal.  I had it set up as  antelope/muley buck rifle but he could use it for elk if he had to.

The 6x6 bull I mentioned above was one of two elk shot with a .25-06 and 117g bullets, the other being a cow.  Both were shot last year by a 12 year old girl.  Her father said he had never seen a bull drop so fast.


Placement in both cases (and on the buck mule deer the girl shot) was excellent.  Just goes to show what really counts most...
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Re: 257 weatherby best all around
« Reply #34 on: June 08, 2010, 07:20:47 PM »
well..........where is this magical sweet spot then?  I need to know!   ;D
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Re: 257 weatherby best all around
« Reply #35 on: June 10, 2010, 05:13:17 AM »
well..........where is this magical sweet spot then?  I need to know!   ;D

All three animals were shot in the heart/lung area.  I don't recall seeing exit wounds and I suspect the 117g bullets came apart inside the rib cage.

Not the bullet I would choose, but it worked.
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Re: 257 weatherby best all around
« Reply #36 on: June 11, 2010, 08:43:44 AM »
 :D Coyote Hunter, you make excellent points...just because something works a few times doesn't mean it is perfect for the job or will always preform well...I like my .25-06, have had several .257 Wea... and have had all the 24's and 25's deliver less than outstanding performance on big game beyond 300 yards...they got the job done, but not with the grace that I have come to prefer...You mentioned the 117;s on elk...they killed well...that is something I have noticed with very fast light bullets...Over the years, I have shot several elk with the 150 grain Nosler BTBT....Not a good elk bullet at all, but it did a fine job, because the elk were in open country, and a broadside lung shot was assured, and I had all season and lots of elk to hunt...would I pick this for general elk hunting?????????NOT ON YOUR LIFE...just because something works a few times doesn't mean it is suitable for all situations.... You made some excellent points....I have a couple friends that shot the .25-06 for elk when the caliber first came on the market...Now they shoot heavier calibers because as they said. they got tired of tracking elk after the shot...Bob Hagel said the cream of the elk calibers are between 7mm and 33...I must agree with that...also....

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Re: 257 weatherby best all around
« Reply #37 on: June 12, 2010, 08:37:25 PM »
:D Coyote Hunter, you make excellent points...just because something works a few times doesn't mean it is perfect for the job or will always preform well...I like my .25-06, have had several .257 Wea... and have had all the 24's and 25's deliver less than outstanding performance on big game beyond 300 yards...they got the job done, but not with the grace that I have come to prefer...You mentioned the 117;s on elk...they killed well...that is something I have noticed with very fast light bullets...Over the years, I have shot several elk with the 150 grain Nosler BTBT....Not a good elk bullet at all, but it did a fine job, because the elk were in open country, and a broadside lung shot was assured, and I had all season and lots of elk to hunt...would I pick this for general elk hunting?????????NOT ON YOUR LIFE...just because something works a few times doesn't mean it is suitable for all situations.... You made some excellent points....I have a couple friends that shot the .25-06 for elk when the caliber first came on the market...Now they shoot heavier calibers because as they said. they got tired of tracking elk after the shot...Bob Hagel said the cream of the elk calibers are between 7mm and 33...I must agree with that...also....


WCH, I hope you give the 120 Partition a try with top end loads as I had mentioned earlier, I think you will be impressed & I was in reference to Mule Deer & Antelope, Hogs, etc. I know the 25-06 will take Elk, but I have far more suitable rounds for that. I would rather reach for my 300WM or sev. other of my guns for Elk.
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Re: 257 weatherby best all around
« Reply #38 on: June 13, 2010, 05:09:15 AM »
 ;D nomosendaro,,,,,Nice to hear from you...we just spent 10 days in northern Wy. and Montana...I took a couple rifles just incase, I had a good chance for a black bear....didn't happen and won't as season ends tue.. and our areas are currently closed...took three rifles for bear, my old .300, my marlin .45-70, and my old .25-06...I have done as you suggested and loaded some Nosler Part. to a good hot load...acc. is very fine, although I did go with 115 grain to match the BT I have loaded....this fall if all goes well, I plan to try this on whitetails, maybe mulies, and antelope...also depending on the tags I draw, maybe elk...if I get my favorite tag, the country is open allowing a good shot, with space enough the elk cannot get into difficult cover after the shot....I really like this .25-06, have had several, but this one is a gem...I think the nosler part. will be the key...thanks for you help and interest...will let you know how this works...

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Re: 257 weatherby best all around
« Reply #39 on: June 14, 2010, 05:02:58 AM »
Great thread, guys.  If I may pose a question to further the discussion:

Has anyone had any experience with the 100 grain Nosler Partition in the older German guns with a 1:12 twist?  I'm trying to find a more ballistically appealing load than the 117 gr. round nose that it shoots so well.  Any long bullets do not stabilize with this twist.

Any loads or ideas for the old 1:12 'ers for a Mule deer would be appreciated.

Thanks!

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Re: 257 weatherby best all around
« Reply #40 on: June 14, 2010, 05:19:42 AM »
 :D Jasper, I made a 257 with 1-12 twist...still have that barrel laying in the reloading room...I had a lot of data from the old books I have lying around...but as I remember, it shot 100 grain fine...I think that was Roy's load...he wanted speed above all else...I don't think he was a fan of the 117 load...he wanted the bullet to blowup INSIDE the animal...so he shot the lighter bullets...I would check the data for 100 grain loads in the .257 Wea. and start working up...I could check an see what I used most, if you like, but you know slower powders are where it is at...shot quite a bit of game with the Wea. and almost all with 100 grain...

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Re: 257 weatherby best all around
« Reply #41 on: June 15, 2010, 06:39:44 PM »
   I think either the standard  .25-06, the AI version or the .257 Wby may pretty well be about perfect for long range deer and antelope. Then again the same can be said for the various HOT 6.5/7mm's. 

  As far as that "one gun for everything...mental masturbation".  Sorry...don't buy into it.

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Re: 257 weatherby best all around
« Reply #42 on: June 21, 2010, 04:45:48 AM »
I have had excellent results in accuracy with factory 257 Weatherby rifles. I moved from a 257 Weatherby VanGuard to an Accumark a few yeaars back. My expereince is the 257 Weatherby will handle a wide range of chores but is a compromise at each end. For me is one of the best caliber / cartridge to chose for mule deer size game hunting. One can argue the merits of the 243 on lessor game and the versatility of the 270 WIN / 280 REM for larger game with modest recoil. All of what I would refer to as midpower cartridges can be used effectively if the hunter can shoot well and choses to wait for the right shot. The 257 Weatherby is right in there with the best of them.

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Re: 257 weatherby best all around
« Reply #43 on: June 21, 2010, 04:50:00 AM »
FN & Saltydog, you guys hit it on the head. No cartridge is right for everything, but in the Deer/Antelope range it is a great choice.
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Re: 257 weatherby best all around
« Reply #44 on: June 22, 2010, 05:55:03 AM »
FN & Saltydog, you guys hit it on the head. No cartridge is right for everything, but in the Deer/Antelope range it is a great choice.

  Deer and elk season run together out here. I'm often out with both tags in my pack. A long time ago I learned about being PREPARED.  Was out to fill a doe tag. I was carrying a .250 Savage which filled the tag nicely on a fat muley at 80 yds or so.

 Then one of the better 6x6 bulls I have ever seen rises out of the brush along dog Creek and watches me...perfectly broadside for 90 sec's or so.....at a lasered 300 yds.  A .250 Savage with 100 gr std cup and core Hornady's NOT my 1st choice for that situation.

 Back in 2000 A similar deal but this time I had a .280 Rem with 150 gr Nosler partitions. THAT bull is now on my wall.  Ya gotta be prepared.

  I think as well that far too many hunters are so concerned about the PERFECT combination for deer or elk. I don't mean adequate...but their idea of the  PERFECT combination of bullet diameter, weight, construction etc. Arguing over minutiae like "150 gr or 160 gr bullets"?? As if that 10 grs made any real difference. It really doesn't.

  I've been guilty of trying to be perfectly right on the money for the game hunted. Then after 20 or 25 seasons You start to learn that much of what I agonized over was relatively meaningless. One should be more concerned about proper PLACEMENT versus a few grains of bullet weight or another 50 fps of velocity.


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Re: 257 weatherby best all around
« Reply #45 on: June 30, 2010, 06:32:29 AM »
i have killed tons of groundhogs and a pile of deer with a 257 weatherby mag. and Roy Weatherby killed  a cape Buff. with his although he does not advise it it can be done
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