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Offline 1jonmon

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22-250
« on: May 22, 2010, 05:26:05 PM »
o.k. fellas, I've bout got it built.  Action has the BELLM kit with heavy hammer spring and sweet trigger, over sized pin, etc...Flextech butt-stock and encore forend.  Just rings and bases left to go.  I have a Nikon 3x9x50 i'd like to mount on the Bergara 26" full contour 22-250 barrel, I also have a Leupold 3x9 compact.  What do you guys recommend, and which bases/rings?  Will I need high rings or what?  Aluminum should be solid enough for the 22-250, right?  I'll be using it for coyote and some deer every now and then, oh and the occasional feral cat  ::).  Let me hear what ya think...

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Re: 22-250
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2010, 05:28:09 PM »
Why did it censor Bellm...?  In my post ???

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Re: 22-250
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2010, 06:58:53 PM »
Why did it censor (censored word)...?  In my post ???

long story short he got banned long time ago and you can't use his name or it comes up.
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Re: 22-250
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2010, 07:07:54 PM »
oh!  Well,  I'm looking at the talley one-piece in medium height.  Only problem is I'm not sure if they will clear the full contour barrel with a 50mm objective.  Anyone know?

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Re: 22-250
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2010, 07:22:19 PM »
I do not have the same setup but,I have a Nikon 3x9x50 on my 300 Win mag Encore with weaver style steel base and Burris high rings and
it just clears good with the scope caps,I do not think med will clear.
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Re: 22-250
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2010, 03:40:20 AM »
Have you purchased the Bergara barrel yet. If not you may want to look at this.

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,187262.0.html

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Re: 22-250
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2010, 08:18:02 AM »
o.k. fellas, I've bout got it built.  Action has the (censored word) kit with heavy hammer spring and sweet trigger, over sized pin, etc...Flextech butt-stock and encore forend.  Just rings and bases left to go.  I have a Nikon 3x9x50 i'd like to mount on the Bergara 26" full contour 22-250 barrel, I also have a Leupold 3x9 compact.  What do you guys recommend, and which bases/rings?  Will I need high rings or what?  Aluminum should be solid enough for the 22-250, right?  I'll be using it for coyote and some deer every now and then, oh and the occasional feral cat  ::).  Let me hear what ya think...

I suggest Leupold dual dovetail base and Leupold high rings for your 50mm scope.

I was just wondering if you actually shot your factory frame before you installed all the aftermarket items.  I have personally found that factory T/C Encore frame, barrels and stocks perform flawlessly all without any aftermarket gimmicks.  Correction I use only Leupold dual dovetail base and Leupold medium rings for my rifle barrels, and SSKIndustries.com T'SOB 6 screw base and 3 medium rings on my 454 Casull pistol barrel.

If you have the Berarga  barrel, closely watch the welded area for cracks.

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Re: 22-250
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2010, 06:14:27 PM »
1jonmon,
I recommend you get your Bergara and don't look back, just pay attention, check things like we all do with all our equipment ;D
I wrote a couple replies to you as you were putting this together, forend questions, etc.
There are some well-intended folks who seem a little quick to jump on the bash-Bergara bandwagon. I like my T/C barrels and my Bergara barrels. If you're gonna be paranoid about checking for cracks, you will need to be with any barrel you own.
The  example cited to a previous thread with pictures is the only example I have seen or can find on the web concerning any Bergara failures. Please keep in mind this was not a full failure, thankfully.
Mr Grumulkin said in that thread "Actually, if judged by complaints on the web, there are significantly more complaints about Bergara barrels than about T/C barrels and since there are relatively few Bergara barrels out there it would indicate to me that their main advantage is being cheap. I've NEVER heard of welds cracking on a T/C barrel."   note - There are several web examples of complete failures from T/C and other custom barrel makers out there.  The greatest web volume has been on this forum, and the complaints were about where they were made - not the barrel quality. There were more than 5 pages of speculation and innuendo that deteriorated into the classic Ford vs. Chevy, foreign vs. domestic stuff. Not very useful to us shooters.
The pictures caused me to wonder what sort of things had been this barrel been exposed to? There are mysterious dark rings on the frame by the hinge pin holes. A couple of scratches that don't seem normal. The cracks are just started. Is it possible that they are just in the slag at the end of the weld? I'd love to know what the real penetration of those welds was, no way to know now.
I puzzled over the poster saying 'it seemed looser'. As intact as the welds are, nothing in relation to the barrel/hinge pin could have measurably changed. There could have been a problem with the fit of things at the breech end.
What kind of loads were involved? We don't know that either.
I know that in my fiddling around I have gotten a couple cases stuck when checking and setting dies, resizing, etc. So I removed the barrel and pondered it for a while,took a punch and tapped the extractor tip to knock the case out. I wondere if  just maybe a hammer might have been used to do the same thing and knocked some slag loose. Someone please cite me more examples of Bergara barrel failures before I hurt myself. ;)

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Re: 22-250
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2010, 11:16:32 PM »
I use DeadNutz one piece base and mounts on all of my encores. They look great, and mounts the scope straight leaving no ring marks. I would go with the high with a 50 mm objective. I also have a 22-250 barrel, but it's a pro hunter. I have the nikon coyote special mounted on it. Probably my favorite barrel to shoot.

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Re: 22-250
« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2010, 11:26:04 PM »
It's me again...forgot something. Never had a Begara barrel, but have been curious about them. I have however owned 2 TC barrels that were duds. The first one was a ruger 204. wouldn't group worth a crap, and the bullets "key holed" through the paper. 2nd was a 338 win mag. It wouldn't even chamber the ammo. I sent them back and TC made good on them, but still...One person having a bad experience with 2 different barrels from "America's master gunmakers." Just saying...

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Re: 22-250
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2010, 04:33:39 AM »
Did the forend work on the full contour barrel? The recommend a ML forend with special screws. I have a ML forend, but not the screws to trade for a rifle forend if interested.....

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Re: 22-250
« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2010, 04:40:49 AM »
thanks for all the input guys.  +1 what Wallypedal wrote.  It seems that Basspro and Cabela's would have yanked them from their line up if there were a safety issue...They have sold thousands of Bergara barrels and the consensus on either of their forums is that they are fantastic barrels...It's hard to find many of their barrels because they sale very well, that says something to me!  However, to be fair, I really won't know until I shoot it hundreds of times  ;D.  By the way, I had some ? about my barrel so I picked up the phone and called Bergara.  I got a retired AirForce vet within seconds on the other end.  He was very helpful and easy to deal with.  I'd like to see how the person,that doesn't accept anything unless it is made in the good ol US of A, lives...please, send pics, lol!

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Re: 22-250
« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2010, 05:29:26 AM »
Did the forend work on the full contour barrel? The recommend a ML forend with special screws. I have a ML forend, but not the screws to trade for a rifle forend if interested.....
Wreckhog, in another thread I wrote that I had a PH forend that I had opened up and sanded only slightly to provide ear clearance and at least side channel free float type clearance for a Prohunter centerfire barrel. When I tried it with the Bergara full contour 26" barrel, I had to squeeze it on while I started the screws, but that was easy and the screws tightened up and pulled it snug, spreading the plastic a bit, but not much. I found that intriguing and chose to shoot it that way, and it shot great!! I've joked since about a new concept, (the reverse of floating?), where the barrel is slightly clamped by the forend. "Pre-load forend tension" maybe? New tools coming from Sinclair to measure it? ;D
So, you can make a PH centerfire forend do double duty with PH barrels and Bergara full contour, but yes the regular muzzleloader T/C forend is a good fit, with the right screws.

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Re: 22-250
« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2010, 09:33:46 AM »
The cracks are just started. Is it possible that they are just in the slag at the end of the weld?

TIG and as far as I know electron beam welding produce no slag.

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Re: 22-250
« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2010, 10:03:06 AM »

...I was just wondering if you actually shot your factory frame before you installed all the aftermarket items.  I have personally found that factory T/C Encore frame, barrels and stocks perform flawlessly all without any aftermarket gimmicks...

yooper77

I agree with that, mostly.   But when the Encore first came out I went through 3 factory 15" 22-250 barrels before I got one that would shoot good enough to be worth keeping it.  That first frame also came with 15" 7BR and 12" 454 Casull barrels.   The 7BR was awesome for IHMSA, the Casull shot very well too with max handloads. 
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Re: 22-250
« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2010, 04:42:02 AM »
With a heavy barrel and a 50 mm scope you will mosy likely need a set of high rings and may need an extended ring - Weaver makes Quad lock rings with extensions that that won't break the bank and will work fine for all calibers up to 30:06 in my experience. http://www.opticsplanet.net/printable-weaver-quad-lock.html