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Re: North Korea--what's next?
« Reply #30 on: May 27, 2010, 03:54:02 AM »
SHOOTALL, when was the last time America took on a major power? We're scattered all over the planet, and are financially BROKE. We have been jumpin on third world countries for decades, and we couldn't whip China either with a nuke.
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Re: North Korea--what's next?
« Reply #31 on: May 27, 2010, 04:58:05 AM »
SHOOTALL, when was the last time America took on a major power? We're scattered all over the planet, and are financially BROKE. We have been jumpin on third world countries for decades, and we couldn't whip China either with a nuke.
I think the Military could take on all commers.  Especialy if attacked.  After WWII the military has planned and trained for a two war front. Our military is the most professional, best equiped and trained in the world.
The will of the people to do what is needed to get behind the military and win the war like they did in WWI and II.
 You will have the news media belittleing the troops like they do now, and leaders like Clinton that once our noses get bloody will cut and run.
The rules of engagment limit what the military can do and and we are the only ones that fight fair and by the rules and our enemies use those rules against us in the limited conflicts and wars we have had.  In a country on country war like in WWII where there is a clearly defined enemy this is where our military is the best at killing the enemy and breaking their weapons and infrastructure.  It's the politics that hamper them from clearly winning.

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Re: North Korea--what's next?
« Reply #32 on: May 27, 2010, 06:45:46 AM »
duck, this last month OUR Commanding General stated on the National News that we were losing ground in Afghanistan. Both wars have been going on for 20+ years. How is that winning? Karzai is threatening to join the Taliban. The United States is stone broke and getting deeper and deeper in the financial hole. How can WE ignore that? We have been for 20+ years trying to defeat two third world countries and haven't gotten it done.
Alexander the Great got ran out of Afghanistan. England got ran out of Afghanistan, the FORMER Soviet Union got ran out of Afghanistan. No where in history has this country ever been subdued. We are never going to subdue them. We can bomb their training camps but, don't think for a second that THEIR DETERMINATION is not just as strong as ours. They were shooting down the Soviet Union's BEST assault helicopters with muzzle loading rifles and soft lead balls.
And us fighting FAIR? As Clint Smith once said: IF YOUR IN A FAIR FIGHT, YOUR TACTICS SUCK!
We will eventually evacuate both theaters in the same manner we left Vietnam. That was an embarrassing disaster thru "no fault" of the American soldier. 53,000 brave men gave their lives for that fiasco that should have never happened.
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Re: North Korea--what's next?
« Reply #33 on: May 27, 2010, 08:21:46 AM »
Our enemies learned that we can win militarily on the battle field and fixing an enemy and destroying them with over whelming fire power is what our army is really good at.  We assaulted the Iraqi army in 91 and through manuver and fire power attacked a superior (in numbers) enemy that was dug in and waiting.  Standard doctrine was you needed a 3 attackers to 1 defender to have any change of taking the defenders.  Attacking 1:3 Was unheard of.  Remember in 91 Sadam had one of the 5 larges armies in the world.  I think at the time we were in the teens. 
What our enemies have learned is you need to wait us out and trade 100's of lives for one American.  Once you have enough dead Americans the press will scream, the opinion polls will soar or plummit depending on the question and the politicians will buckle, cut and run.
Knowing that the Press will side with them all they have to do is create enough dead to get the American to look at conflict and loose.
In Afganistan, I don't know.  The English could not subdue them, the Soviets in 1980 could not subdue them, of course we helped.  But in this curent war we are not looking to subdue them.  We are trying to free them and provide a stable government.
I agree that we should either be in a fight to win or not in it.  We do not have the $ to continue to fight or prop up a government that may be looked as the Sha was looked at in the late 70's as a US pupet.  We need to either win or leave.  If Karsi wants to join the Taliban.  Great our mission was to destroy Al Kada and their safe haven there.  We did that we do not need to nation build.  Granted the Taliban took over when we pulled our support after the soviets left and let the country do what it wanted to do.  Allowed self rule and destny.  We had no dog in the fight once the USSR was tossed out.  If we had stayed we would have been seen as another colonial power trying to take over.  When we left we were seen as abanding them.  It was a loose-loose / Damned if you do Damned if we didn't and Reagan saw that and saw the lessor of the two evils was to leave and let them figure out what they wanted to do and who would rule either way.
Had a democracy emerged rather than a Theocracy (Government for god- Isreal is one too) then we would have been heros.  Had the US once the taliban took control made ties with them and sent items to help with infrastructure, well no matter what Afgan loyality is to the tribe and as long as the tribe is paid their loyality is to the person paying.  Al Kada had the funds to buy themselves a safe havean and there was nothing we could have done to prevent it if we had stayed. 
The other problem we have in the area is the US is looked at as a scape goat for everything.  We prop up Isreal and they are keeping the Arab down.  not the leaders of the country that are robbing them blind but us.  They keep them uneducated.  I find it funny that we are refered to as the Great Satan, and the Old USSR was the lessor Satan.
We allow freedom of religion and the Communist system does not.  We were founded by religious people that prayed to the same god and the musliums.  Musilums, Christians and Jews all have the same god as the three religions are tied together through Abraham in the old testament.  We promote democracy and freedom, the soviets subjagated people and somehow we are the evil ones and should be stopped.
I don't get it but if you look at all the dictators, the people holding on to power by force they all have scape goats,  they all try to divide the people and pit them against a common enemy.  Hitler had the Jews, Gypsys and the Communists.  The Ussr has Capitalism as the evil thing and the excessive wealth, evny and religon.  You have the left in this country that has taken the evil play books of Communism and facism and has melted it into The Democrat leadership play book.  Get control of the media, the bigger the lie the more people will believe it, It is always someone elses fault.  The rich are to blame, the evil health care companies, the Drug companies, BIG OIL, BIG Tabacco, Look they are Racist, biggoted, homofobes, and the list goes on and on with hyprcritism being allowed and celebrated, adding creditbility.

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Re: North Korea--what's next?
« Reply #34 on: May 27, 2010, 08:40:08 AM »
I realize most folks don't read this stuff, but I just read through the readiness assessments for Army, Navy, Air Force & Marines for the past 5 years (and no I don't normally do that, but I'm currently completing war college). Bottom line: we cannot afford another engagement, regardless of tactics, ROE, location, etc.

We have the best people, best training ... and they are worn down and out due to combat operational stress. Even the ones that don't fight are experiencing tempos of operation 2-3x higher than we've ever put people through. We violated laws to call up the NG to take rotations to give regular and reserve forces a break, and we'll never get that horse back in the barn. We're putting people out as fast as we take them in, dropping standards to keep numbers up, but we're losing the battle there. We're breaking alot of people.

We have the most technologically advanced equipment ... and its broken, worn out. We've used up our pre-positioning reserve to support this war, which was supposed to be on hold in contingency for another war. We've cannibalized our mothball fleets of ground, naval and air assets to where we cannot have them up in 30 days like we're supposed to. Our fleets are spending more time in maintenance getting bandaids when they need major overhauls. And the complexity of the systems is making it more costly and more time consuming to repair. Individuals are buying replacement parts out of their own paychecks at the tactical level.

IF we are drawn into a major country on country engagement, we will lose significant assets (people and gear) and not have the $ or the means to replace them in a timely fashion. We will kick some butt, but it will be a battle of attrition, and we're too shot up to risk it hastily. That is the consensus of both the warfighters and the beancounters ... and when they agree we all lose.
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« Reply #35 on: May 27, 2010, 09:24:54 AM »
That was my point really , there seems to be a plot to spread us to thin then criple us . The war we are fighting has hurt our economy . It has spread us very thin. Our borders are open to attack by single and groups. The attackers walk among us now . What would happen if something as simple as a dozen DC sniper attacks happened around the country at one time ? Or several malls were attacked ? Disrupt trucking and food stops flowing. How many bases can we cover with the restrictions to be PC placed on us ?
 Wars on the scale of Russia vs China are won in the factory . If our factory is shut down or lacks raw material we would be in trouble . Where has production moved ? China
We are painting ourselves into a corner .
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Re: North Korea--what's next?
« Reply #36 on: May 27, 2010, 10:08:50 AM »
Been at the office 45 minutes now and 2 items relative to this popped up: 1) Somali terror group attempting to cross into Texas. 2) CBO kicks back Navy budget request for fleet expansion & maintenance; request was short by $99 Billion. We don't have the assets to protect our borders, and we don't have the assets to keep the fleet in a defensive posture, never mind offensive.
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« Reply #37 on: May 27, 2010, 10:13:58 AM »
But we can support 12 million illegals #@&^%$#@!@#$*&
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Re: North Korea--what's next?
« Reply #38 on: May 27, 2010, 10:26:01 AM »
But duck they don't want to be freed. The first sign of difficulty they revert. The first time Karzai got discouraged he immediately threatened to join the Taliban. America needs to get over the fact that not everyone wants to be like America. When my son done his tour over there, he said in speaking with the Afghan people they would tell him that they had no use for democracy. It is a "warlord society", and they are content with it.
Besides. We didn't go to Afghanistan to free them. We went over there cause the 911 terrorists were trained there with the full approval of most every Muslim living there, and most everyone living there is Muslim.
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« Reply #39 on: May 27, 2010, 10:31:47 AM »
Bad thing is the bad ones are still living
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Re: North Korea--what's next?
« Reply #40 on: May 27, 2010, 11:09:56 AM »
TM7, some believe (and I'm leaning that way) that it would be in the best interest of some smaller failed states to start a ruckus right now. We'd accrue some losses, but if no one backs them, then we'll pump more $ into their economy ... at the cost of our own economic stability ... and they come out on top. In fact, they may do so with the full backing and coordination of a larger nation (like ...) who will then exploit our weakness further (not militarily). The worldwide standard for use of power is DIME - Diplomacy, Information, Military and Economy. If they can bleed us out Militarily, cripple us Economically, harass us Informationally, they can pretend to be our friends Diplomatically and the world will stand by and watch us die.
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« Reply #41 on: May 27, 2010, 11:17:03 AM »
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Re: North Korea--what's next?
« Reply #42 on: May 27, 2010, 11:27:43 AM »
I said it before , I'll say it again , N.Korea is a major threat (even more so than Iraq ever was) Kim Il-sung was a nutjob and Kim Jong il is a nut Job. And if his son succeeds him Kim Jong-un we will be dealing with them for more years to come (he is a nut Job as well) They're whole economy is based on selling weapons to anybody that can pay for them. IE: Somalia , Iran , private parties etc.. and I believe Iran and No. Korea are jointly working together to build nuke missiles. Iran supplying the plutonium and No.Korea refining it and providing the missile launch capabilities.

They have proven time and time again They can not be trusted , they have no honor and break their word, knowing the world will provide them concessions  There is no middle ground here. They need to be dealt with and Harshly. And if No. Korea thinks China or Russia will come to their aid , they are sadly mistaken. Oh yes there will be the customary uproar at the UN. But that's is..cause even China is growing tired of their misbehaving step child.

Any aggression started by No. Korea should be the worlds excuse to just spank them once and for all.
And Japan would Help us.  It would last less than the 6 day war, and the world would finally be at an end of having to deal with this dangerous regime that has proven time and time again to be a blight on humanity.
Then we could celebrate a unified Korea , begin helping the very peaceful south rebuild and bring the north out of the stone age.  I servied a number of years in conjunction with the ROK soldiers , They are tough and ready to take the fight forward if necessary, they would just need some support from the rest of the free world.
Just my 2 cents

Side note : Most people don't realize , The war in Korea has never ended.. there is just a armistice in place.
so Hypothetically the war can start up again anytime. And at least when I was their for two tours they were still shooting small arms at each other occasionally across the parallel.
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Re: North Korea--what's next?
« Reply #43 on: May 27, 2010, 03:25:41 PM »
I don't think USA's paranoia is a product of nurture; it's intrinsic at the most fundamental level of culture. That is the essential point of difference between us TM7. You believe that if it weren't for the NWO, we'd all get along just fine; all of this is just hate mongers stirring the pot. I believe that no one is stirring the pot; this is all just the fruit of our natural borned selfishness.
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« Reply #44 on: May 28, 2010, 05:58:40 AM »
The real question is who has the ablity to deliver their mite to our shore ? And second can we stop it ? China has millions in the military , how would they get them here ? The could bomb us but we would bomb them and it would serve no purpose if the could not occupy our land and take our wealth .
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Re: North Korea--what's next?
« Reply #45 on: May 28, 2010, 08:25:59 AM »
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take our wealth

OBAMMA SAN is taking care of that!

obama san will prolly capitulate if we are attacked!
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Re: North Korea--what's next?
« Reply #46 on: May 28, 2010, 10:56:43 AM »
I don't think USA's paranoia is a product of nurture; it's intrinsic at the most fundamental level of culture. That is the essential point of difference between us TM7. You believe that if it weren't for the NWO, we'd all get along just fine; all of this is just hate mongers stirring the pot. I believe that no one is stirring the pot; this is all just the fruit of our natural borned selfishness.
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MMMmmmm.  Essentially that is bowing to satan...The Bible traces this culture of deceit, both genalogically and historically.  JC instructed otherwise...the natural state of the human mind is happiness and wellbeing and doing things as such.....it is ashame that the majority of the human race has become infected with   nwo-itus of the mind and it's attending symptoms of anti-life; and accept it as the way of the world. YES, the nwo has worned down the US of A,,,morally, financially, militarily, environmentally, spiritually, in justice, etc.


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Now....is this the thread where I asked what do the PRNK have for mil assets..??

Anyway,,,this is what I found out....I know nothing of this guy or who he is or what is agenda is....just that he says PRNK has some bunch of assets and determination....TOTAL WAR is their strategy (same as Iran..?).  Here's what he says they got:

North Korea's War Strategy of Massive Retaliations against US Attacks

North Korea has not only the military power but also the political will to wage total war against the United States.

04/24/03 (Center for Korean Affairs) An English abstract of a paper by Han Ho Suk Director,

1. North Korea Can Engage the US in Total War

North Korea is one of the few nations that can engage in a total war with the United States. The US war planners recognize this fact. For example, on March 7, 2000, Gen. Thomas A Schwartz, the US commander in Korea at the time, testified at a US congressional hearing that "North Korea is the country most likely to involve the United States in a large-scale war."

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3099.htm

BTW....they got alot of stuff.!!



...fyi ...lengthy article on their equipment and mindset...fyi....TM7
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TM truly most of their weapons are conventional intermediate missle capabilities - again I surmise this would be no Vietnam , They conflict would last less than 6 days. Pyongyang gone // poof .. The rest would gladly join the free world.  To kill the tiger cut off the head. The general population is a peaceful uneducated agrarian society.   They have been subjects to this demoralizing govt , or so long they would welcome and embrace their divided family  members in the south and a unified Korea.  yes their military might (population wise) is large, but their technology is WW11 (small exaggeration) their resistance would be a conventional one. Their infrastructure is quite poor even today. with Communications gone in first 48 hours ,  their would be no coordinated resistance.  Again I dont advocate war but N. Korea needs to be disciplined like a small child. 

just my 2 cents

I am by far an advocate of war , But I do believe The Iran N. Korea alliance is real and needs to be dealt with.
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Re: North Korea--what's next?
« Reply #47 on: May 28, 2010, 11:09:50 AM »
6 party talks turn to what can I get to not go to war bribes
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Re: North Korea--what's next?
« Reply #48 on: May 28, 2010, 12:50:20 PM »
For some insight (even though only a presentation overview) read the CSBA write up on China's intentions as they relate to their operational theater.

http://www.csbaonline.org/4Publications/PubLibrary/R.20100518.Air_Sea_Battle__A_/R.20100518.Air_Sea_Battle__A_.pdf
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« Reply #49 on: May 28, 2010, 03:26:43 PM »
not being argumentative ..but I hypothesize it would be much like gulf war. A large quantity of north Koreans (regular troops) would just lay down their arms and surrender. Reasoning they fight cause they are forced to , not cause they want to . The elite guards (North Korean special units (like Saddam's elite guard) deployed around Pyongyang may defend to the end) .Not a direct correlation but hopefully you get my drift . Again just a hypothesis.  

Either way , US. ROK , and Japan (possibly even Israeli support)  against No. Korea is no match . I truly believe China would provide weapons but no military troop support.  And the Asia pacific politicians at the U.N would cry foul and not much else. It's apparent at this time sanctions and concessions is a failed policy strategy when dealing with No. Korea.  

JMHO

Side note : it probably takes less than 12 minutes for a fighter jet to travel from Osan Air base to Pyongyang.
No.Korea has Zero Aircraft Carriers, Destroyers or Frigates. Lst count they had approx 90 subs.
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Re: North Korea--what's next?
« Reply #50 on: May 29, 2010, 04:16:47 AM »
If we haven't degenerated as much as some think in our military abilities, North Korea should be a very minor blip.  I was in SAC in the early Sixties and I guarantee you that just one SAC base had the power to turn North Korea into a black pit in a matter of minutes.  All it takes is the right commander-in-chief and that is where our main problem lies.
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« Reply #51 on: May 29, 2010, 04:30:38 AM »

I think you are wrong that the North Koreans won’t fight. They fought last time and they will fight this time! Neither do I think the people would welcome us with open arms. They have been brain washed to the point they believe the great leader, is their savoir! I think it would be very nasty!
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« Reply #52 on: May 29, 2010, 01:16:47 PM »
didn't say they wouldn't fight said once most communications knocked out , they would be in disarray and surrender. Additionally we have Air and Sea superiority. They are in military service as a Job.  It's either join the Army or work the Farm, the majority don't do it for love and honor of country.  They do it to eat.  And as I stated earlier and still hold to my statement  - it would take less than 6 days.  The rest would be mop up.

 - My 2 cents

Fargo and the PACOM war planners have studied North Korea in detail. It is their job.
Here is a military white paper of one possible and most likely scenario...

Rear Adm. (Ret.) Stephen H. Baker
Center for Defense Information

Colin Robinson
CDI Research Analyst

The official South Korean and U.S. war plan, Operations Plan 5027, currently calls for a
regrouping phrase after halting the initial invasion, which would probably happen amid the
layered defense lines north of and around Seoul, followed by a full-scale invasion of North
Korea to seize Pyongyang and abolish the DPRK as an entity, reunifying the Peninsula under
South Korean control.52 The DPRK would come under heavy attack from the U.S. B-1 and B-
52 long-range bombers, and plans exist for the Marine Corps to use a major portion of its
strength to launch amphibious assaults to cut the DPRK's narrow waist in two.

How A Battle Might Unfold
The course of such a scenario is impossible to predict with any surety, but using available
evidence the following seems likely. After a preparatory artillery barrage, DPRK forces would
aim to drive infantry attacks supported by armor through the approach routes discussed above.

Given the mass of prepared defenses, the unbroken, and amply manned, defense line across the
DMZ (in stark contrast with the invasion of 1950), allied equipment superiority, superior allied
knowledge of the battlefield achieved by advanced reconnaissance and surveillance equipment,
and the parlous state of the North Korean military after the setbacks and famine of the 1990s,
virtually all assessments made in the last few years indicate that an advance would be stopped
before South Korea were overrun.

A successful DPRK advance would require breaking multiple South Korean lines even as the South
Korean reserves, capable of establishing further replacement defense lines, started to arrive.
Historically, rapid successful breakthrough attacks against prepared defenses are rare. When armies
 in World War II tried to drive through prepared defenses, advance rates were rarely more than four to
five kilometers a day, andusually less than that – sometimes only about one kilometer a day against
heavily prepared defenses, such as the allied attack on the Siegfried Line.

Given the mass of combat power the U.S. and South Korea have available, both in forward stationed forces
and in reserve, exposed invasion forces that became slowed or halted would be in dire straits from the defense
lines in front of them and to their flanks, as well as indirect fire from artillery. Given the limited capabilities of
the DPRK Air Force – larger in absolute terms than the U.S. and South Korean air forces on the Peninsula
but comprised of mostly obsolete aircraft manned by ill-trained pilots – U.S. and South Korean aircraft would
also soon be inflicting severe damage upon invading forces from the air without significant interference.

The U.S. forces rushing to reinforce the defense would also be substantial. Two brigades’ worth
of equipment stored in and near Korea for the Army and Marines could be rapidly manned by
airlifted troops. And there are already nearly 300 combat aircraft in Korea and Japan, including
the air wing of the carrier usually stationed at Yokosuka in Japan. An armored battalion task
force from the 1st Infantry Division’s brigade at Fort Riley, Kansas, is currently in Korea, and
while most of the 1st Infantry Division remains focused on the Persian Gulf, its parent brigade in
Kansas stands ready to reinforce the U.S. position in Korea. A National Guard earmarked for
the Korean Peninsula, the 40th Infantry Division (Mechanized) from California, is also
apparently alerting elements to prepare to deploy. A U.S. bomber deployment to Guam was
announced in late February 2003, and by March 10 17 B-1 and B-52 heavy bombers had
arrived at Andersen Air Force Base, Guam. The nearest Marine forces, for example, are based
in Okinawa, relatively close by, and at least partially sealift-able by their associated amphibious
ships based in Sasebo, Japan. With the resident carrier Kitty Hawk now returning to homeport
in Yokosuka, Japan, the carrier Carl Vinson from the U.S. West Coast is assigned for Korean
duty and will be holding station in the area. At least one heavy division is planned to be shipped
to Korea in the event of war, as well as the 25th Infantry Division (Light) based in Hawaii.

It is clear that in any conflict with North Korea, U.S. forces will emerge victorious. The cost of
the victory is another matter – indeed, there is a tremendous risk of loss of lives and massive
destruction. Some military estimates put the civilian and military toll in the first day as high as 1
million.  PACOM has a requirement to keep the Korean War Plan up to date and viable. Fargo is in
charge of executing this war plan, which is focused on neutralizing the threat from North Korea
while keeping the loss of life among his forces and South Korean civilians (or those from any
other country North Korea could reach) to an absolute minimum. Ruling out the horrible option
of tactical nuclear weapons in the DMZ, what tactics could be used that would be the most
successful and what could be a plausible estimate of casualties?

One caveat is that such estimates are always wrong. Second, Fargo is known to think that the
loss of only 10 percent of the earlier (1 million) estimate would be unacceptable.
For the above reason, the tactic of a lightning, “Blitzkreig” strike by the United States and South
Korea could be considered by U.S. military leaders as the best option.
The goal would be to neutralize as much of the threNorth Korean soldiers
suffer from malnutrition and rarely train due to scarcity of fuel and ammunition. They are
equipped with largely obsolete weapons with limited range that have been degrading for years.

at before missile batteries could be manned, rocket and artillery platforms could be rolled out of
bunkers, aircraft could be wheeled out of hangers, and Scud missile launchers could be armed
and set up. In other words, PACOM would want to demolish the immediate threat before fingers
could reach the launch buttons.

As previously mentioned, the U.S. capability exists to hit more than 1,000 North Korean targets
in a first night of attack. Specifically, the United States would want to destroy hundreds of
targets in the first hour from the air, as well as relying on South Korean artillery and rocket
batteries positioned along the DMZ. It would be essential to stun key DPRK units, particularly
those responsible for long-range artillery and aircraft, before they could react. Patriot missile
batteries in South Korea and Japan also would play a critical role in defense from any incoming
missiles. There are at least 11 batteries in South Korea and 27 in various locations throughout
Japan. (Both countries are interested in upgrading to enhanced versions with greater range and
improved radar tracking capabilities.)

U.S. intelligence, reconnaissance and surveillance assets already are consistently updating the
high-value target list in North Korea. At the top of this list are the North Korean multiple rocket
launchers and artillery and troop positions heavily concentrated along the DMZ. The United
States can locate most of the North Korean underground shelters beneath the DMZ and
hundreds of other military targets farther north. For example, the critical assembly facility,
research reactor, graphite reactors, radiochemistry laboratory, and fuel fabrication facility at
Yongbyon have all been mapped out in precise detail. Weaponeers have decided what the
optimum ordnance and approach is for each target set, from caving in entrances and exits to
underground artillery batteries, to destroying MiG aircraft in revetted hangers, to causing
reactors to collapse upon themselves to limit radioactive release.

The 700,000-man South Korean Army, as noted above, is well trained and has modern,
reliable equipment. And as mentioned, they have fortified, mined and physically blocked all
routes that North Korean infantry would try to use if there were any thrust south.
A massive, overwhelming strike could eliminate any chance for a counter-attack from the North
and enable a surge forward to start the next phase of a U.S.-South Korean offensive – taking
control of the key military bases and positions of the leadership in Pyongyang.

If Fargo’s war plan, as envisioned above, was successful in the first days of a conflict, it is
conceivable that up to 90 percent of the immediate threat to South Korea could be eliminated,
and the prime objective of rendering the North ineffective and unable to militarily respond
achieved.
And the predictions of horrendous mass casualties would be wrong. It is as plausible
that a preemptive “Blitzkrieg” could even hold down allied casualties to an acceptable minimum.
But such a campaign represents a risky course and the consequences always could be far
worse.

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Re: North Korea--what's next?
« Reply #53 on: May 29, 2010, 01:52:10 PM »
Here is an hour long Excellent documentary that provides a look into North Korea , worth the watch.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3742145385913859804#

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Re: North Korea--what's next?
« Reply #54 on: May 30, 2010, 07:03:35 AM »
BTW...do you think China would take advantage of the situation to take back Formosa..?

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That's a very interesting thought. Kind of a Red storm Rising scenario.. The old magicians trick , While the Left hand is dong this ... no one will be watching the right hand of China make the play for Taiwan.  I'm not a big conspiracy nut but it does seen quite plausible.   
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Re: North Korea--what's next?
« Reply #55 on: May 30, 2010, 02:48:31 PM »
The "civilians" are the ones making the munitions, food and fuel to move the army. I have no issue with taking them out too.
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Re: North Korea--what's next?
« Reply #56 on: May 31, 2010, 05:05:29 AM »
I agree.  I almost choke everytime I hear someone say, "innocent civilians" when commenting on military action; as if the only people who should even be touched by war are those in uniform.  War should be all, or nothing.  It should be complete and horrible--no rules, no fouls--just total destruction.  Only then, those who contemplate tactical military action might give some thought to a more civilized solution.  But that's just wishful thinking.

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« Reply #57 on: May 31, 2010, 06:21:32 AM »

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Not only that...but Isreal has placed 3 nuke subs off Iran  (of German manufacture...go figure that one!),
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Besides the irony of Israeli U-Boats :D which may be nuke armed but not nuke powered I wonder who paid for them or is it another one of those " You  still owe us for those nasty 3rd Reich types"
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Re: North Korea--what's next?
« Reply #58 on: June 01, 2010, 05:55:14 AM »
BBF , shallow water subs are often non nuke . Most countries have SW subs . I read somewhere that the diesel-elec. sub is making a comeback due to new operatin is quiet . The USA may even be building some . They still train on some i think .
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« Reply #59 on: June 09, 2010, 04:04:47 PM »
BBF , shallow water subs are often non nuke . Most countries have SW subs . I read somewhere that the diesel-elec. sub is making a comeback due to new operatin is quiet . The USA may even be building some . They still train on some i think .
I don't think non-nuke powered subs are obsolete at all either. If you don't need to be submerged for weeks or travel around the globe conventional subs are just fine. They are cheaper,smaller and run silent .
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