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Offline Lloyd Smale

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polaris is no longer american made
« on: May 25, 2010, 01:26:17 PM »
they are moving there entire operation to mexico and layed off there work force. Last polaris for this guy!
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Re: polaris is no longer american made
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2010, 01:39:11 PM »
I work for an American company that was purchased by an European company a year ago or so.
Today I loaded a machine made in Europe that our gov't is buying... for the life of me I cannot figure out why in this economy the USA does not buy American machines

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« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2010, 03:41:12 AM »
i couldnt agree more. This democratic dominated society that we live in is crazy. Even our own goverment is selling us out. I look at this polaris move like this. they will move, they will sell units for maybe 500 bucks less then the competition and people will stand in line to buy them. they wont give a thought to the men and women that lost there jobs or the economy of the towns in the area because this is a me me me society! Who cares as long as its not me on the bread line! Nobody thinks that it may be there job sold out of country next. At least toyota nissan and honda put a few americans to work even if the major part of there profit still goes overseas but companys like polaris that actually move out of the country should be penalized. There should be laws past that if you move a bussiness out of this country that is showing a profit you should be required to pay wages for your layed off employees for two years and also be fined an ammount equal to what you cost the local economy for two years and that money should go to that locality to try to bring in new busisness.
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Re: polaris is no longer american made
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2010, 04:47:31 AM »
Tis the American way. It started with the electronics from Japan. They were 1/2 to 1/4 the price and  better. The American companies went out or were bought by Japanese companies for brand name recognition. Then Nafta and the shafta. Japanese cars are made in America while American cars are made in Mexico. Most of America's textile mills went south of the border. And now the ones in America primarily employ folks from south of the border. Now about 90% or better of what I flip over and look at is made in China.
To beat that 86% of vegetables consumed by Americans are grown in China. It was grown in Southern California but the govt stopped irrigation due to a snail darter or something, a fish anyhow.
So let's get this straight the ones that basically own our debt also provide our food. They do not like us much. We have pumped trillions into their country in commerce. Now when the negroid goes to them he is bowing and scraping. They make ultimatums about Taiwan and all is well. We just look like a laughing stock to the world. The govt. has bankrupted our farmers that sell for human consumption. What food growers we have left in business can not sustain our population. How is this a good thing? Reminds me of that song Welcome to the USA Today.


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Re: polaris is no longer american made
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2010, 10:27:32 AM »
I hate to say it but most American's have gotten just too dang lazy. The attitude today is that, " Why do something ourselves if we can get someone to do it for us? Particularly if they'll do it cheaper than we can ourselves" doesn't matter if the product is inferior as long as it sells. That lazy attitude applies to everything from industry, to products designed to make life easier, to exspecting the government to tell us how we can live and then providing the means to do so and to the way most kids are now raised. The pride and satisfaction in being self sufficient has turned to disdain. The pride of a product well made is fast a lost art. Easier to complain about someone else doing it wrong than to do it right ourselves. Add all that to our own Government making it harder and harder for small companies to exist, the raising cost of companies trying to ship there products, and the humongus inflow of illegal alliens taking jobs and you have the pathetic stew we find ourselves mired in now. I'm First Nation, Aniyunwiya ( Cherokee ) and you know how First Nation Peoples were defeated? Not by weapons nor numbers alone. Far from it. It was by purpously destroying our ways of life, our culture and traditions. Now that is happening again. Only this time it is our conquerers being conquered by the same exact principals. Saddly, your own Government is hurrying the process along and all the while trying to convince you that they know best despite how you feel about it yourself.

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Just because you can dont mean you should.
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2010, 11:53:31 AM »
Its scarey that we depend on others to take care of our own needs, kinda like living in rural alaska getting so expensive the average person cannot afford to live here.
Ever wonder how far your food travels till it gets to you??
I know for a fact that bread flown in  to OTZ is not baked here, same for eggs and milk.
Look through the JC Penny catalog, as a example a wrist watch, says the componets are made in country and assembled a differnt one?
Centralized food distribution? if you dont have produce and capacity to produce food in your own reigon your putting your life in someone's hands kinda a scarey idea.
Big Banks when one of them goes down its the domino effect, they said the Titanic was unsinkable because it was so big, they even said it had compartments to save the passengers.
Compartimentalization? in a ship what a novel idea! they should do that with submarines, even pasturing cattle so you dont grubb it all off at one go come to think of it you shouldent be eating bread baked more than 100 miles from where you live, its not healthy, same with boxed beef, suppose Hormell meats had a bad batch of meats go through, recall would effect coast to coast not just a particular reigon, same with banking and other stuff, fella shouldent be buying something that was made over one thousand miles away. By flocking out the country to turn a dollar is bad I figure you should dance with the one who brung ya/ ride for the brand, Ever consider the market share of USA made products sold in the USA?
It wont be a hostile country or terrorist's that would topple the US economy it will be american busines's own greed.
Nothing like selling out your people to earn a dollar to stuff in some Swiss Bank account.

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Re: polaris is no longer american made
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2010, 12:35:38 PM »
Lloyd, where did you hear this?  Can you link an article or something?  I had actually been contemplating trading my 06 Yamaha in for the new compact Polaris Ranger.   At least the Rhino tells you up front it is made in Japan.   With our current border troubles with those folks down south, I wouldn't consider buying anything made down there.  Their nifty wiring harnesses from Mexico on certain Chev trucks caused a lot of breakdowns and electrical issues.  It is getting hard to buy American, since fewer things all the tie seem to be made here. 
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Re: polaris is no longer american made
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2010, 12:38:56 PM »
Polaris Moving Wisconsin Operation To Mexico

Manufacturing.Net - May 21, 2010

       


OSCEOLA, Wis. (AP) -- Polaris Industries Inc. says it will shut down its parts plant in the western Wisconsin city of Osceola (ahss-see-OH'-luh).

The Medina, Minn.-based maker of snowmobiles, ATVs and Victory motorcycles says it's moving many of the operations to a new facility in the Monterrey-Saltillo area of Mexico.

Polaris will continue to make snowmobiles in Roseau (ROH'-zoh), Minn., and motorcycles in Spirit Lake, Iowa. Some operations will be moved to Roseau and Spirit Lake.

Polaris also says it's negotiating to sell some of its parts manufacturing processes and equipment in Osceola to suppliers who'd continue making components there.

Spokeswoman Marlys Knutson says the plant currently employs 515 people, who will be allowed to apply for jobs at the other Polaris facilities or with companies that continue producing parts in Osceola.


       



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Re: polaris is no longer american made
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2010, 08:01:40 PM »
They should have moved to Texas. :( Still in the USA, but with all the mexicans you can shake a stick at to work below minimum wage.   

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Re: polaris is no longer american made
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2010, 01:04:38 PM »
With over 80% of Americnas pissed off about the illegals it's not a smart move.
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Re: polaris is no longer american made
« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2010, 05:05:10 PM »
they are moving there entire operation to mexico and layed off there work force. Last polaris for this guy!
that sucks i was just about to buy one. any thing close to it for a replacement?has to have power stearing so my wife can drive it

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Re: polaris is no longer american made
« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2010, 05:47:20 PM »
  Go get a Yamaha...  They are more reliable, and were first with power steering...

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Re: polaris is no longer american made
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2010, 02:03:09 AM »
can am also has power stearing now.
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Re: polaris is no longer american made
« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2010, 10:21:22 AM »
Not sure on power steering, but John Deere has a new one coming out 50hp, believe it is an inline 3cyl 800+ cc, 4WD etc.etc.   That would get a good look if I was in the mrket to replace my Rhino. 
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« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2010, 05:34:25 PM »
The John Deere does sound nice

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« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2010, 05:54:02 PM »
In the wake of record profits they do this, I HATE them.

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Re: polaris is no longer american made
« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2010, 03:14:54 PM »
they are moving there entire operation to mexico and layed off there work force. Last polaris for this guy!

I'm sorry man, but before you go talking crap like that know your facts. they are not moving the entire operation to mexico, just the assembly of the ATVs. There still American made, which is more than most brands can say. I din;t know weather i should laugh or cry when i read the comments on that article, you wouldnt believe all of the people stating something like screw Polaris, I'm supporting America and buying arctic cat. but if they knew anything about cat, they would know that they ran japanese made engines. I agree it really sucks, but look around that's what this country is doing.
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Re: polaris is no longer american made
« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2010, 04:39:00 PM »
  Polaris has run some japanease motors too...

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Re: polaris is no longer american made
« Reply #19 on: July 28, 2010, 01:34:20 AM »
I know two guys that work (worked) for them. They were told that by 2012 the entire polaris company is going to be moved into there new home in taco land. They said the atv assembly plant doesnt even take up a 1/5 of the building complex down there. Bottom line is that even the japs like yamaha and kawasaki actually took a product that probably would have sold even if it were made in japan and brought it here and in doing so brought jobs that didnt exist before. Polaris is doing just the opposite. there eliminating american jobs and giving them to the mexicans so that there millionare stockholders can buy a new benzs! Id bet you wouldnt be so fast to defend it if it were your job that pedro was now doing.
they are moving there entire operation to mexico and layed off there work force. Last polaris for this guy!

I'm sorry man, but before you go talking crap like that know your facts. they are not moving the entire operation to mexico, just the assembly of the ATVs. There still American made, which is more than most brands can say. I din;t know weather i should laugh or cry when i read the comments on that article, you wouldnt believe all of the people stating something like screw Polaris, I'm supporting America and buying arctic cat. but if they knew anything about cat, they would know that they ran japanese made engines. I agree it really sucks, but look around that's what this country is doing.
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Re: polaris is no longer american made
« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2010, 10:12:16 PM »
My major question is where did anyone get the idea that the polaris being American made was anything more then the frame and the tires??  All American made means is that it was assembled here and how much do you want to pay someone to assemble an atv? 

The drivetrain is german made, the motor is a fuji (subaru) for like all the one lungers, we're running out of major parts here people. 

Ontop of that John Deere uses the same drivetrain as polaris, I use JD Gator parts for my sportsman as they are cheaper through JD.


Business is about making money, without profit you go no where.  Our biggest cost in any business is labor.  A company has to either continue cutting cost or keep raising the prices of goods.   Passing laws to penalize moves that companies like polaris is making, won't stop the loss of the jobs.  Whiether they go offshore or out of business there going away one way or another.

Everyone loves to blame soneone, except ourselves.  Illegals are not taking our jobs, there taking the jobs we won't do, who here wants to pick tomatoes for $3 a hour?  Theres no minimium wage for migrant farm work.  Speaking of minimium wage, we are at fault for going along with it.  All its done is create an over inflated price for our work force.  Some stuff just isn't worth paying somebody $5 a hour. Time for Americans to start working for a living again and a meager one at that.

 Food products will keeep being produced here in the us. We have 18% arable land in the U.S. and the world wide average is 10% and dropping.  We are only second to china in grain production.  Due to mad cow and avian flu almost all of your meat products are american.  Most of your staple fruits and vegetables are being shipped in from your state or some of your neighbors.  You can boycot mangoes and bananas if it will make you feel better.

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Re: polaris is no longer american made
« Reply #21 on: July 30, 2010, 03:51:26 AM »
my understanding is the the only polaris motors that are fuji are the 2 strokes. I know the 4 strokes in there snowmobiles and watercraft are made by weber. I  believe the 4 stroke atv motors are in house. Personaly id pay a few extra bucks for something put together buy american hands to keep americans working.
My major question is where did anyone get the idea that the polaris being American made was anything more then the frame and the tires??  All American made means is that it was assembled here and how much do you want to pay someone to assemble an atv? 

The drivetrain is german made, the motor is a fuji (subaru) for like all the one lungers, we're running out of major parts here people. 

Ontop of that John Deere uses the same drivetrain as polaris, I use JD Gator parts for my sportsman as they are cheaper through JD.


Business is about making money, without profit you go no where.  Our biggest cost in any business is labor.  A company has to either continue cutting cost or keep raising the prices of goods.   Passing laws to penalize moves that companies like polaris is making, won't stop the loss of the jobs.  Whiether they go offshore or out of business there going away one way or another.

Everyone loves to blame soneone, except ourselves.  Illegals are not taking our jobs, there taking the jobs we won't do, who here wants to pick tomatoes for $3 a hour?  Theres no minimium wage for migrant farm work.  Speaking of minimium wage, we are at fault for going along with it.  All its done is create an over inflated price for our work force.  Some stuff just isn't worth paying somebody $5 a hour. Time for Americans to start working for a living again and a meager one at that.

 Food products will keeep being produced here in the us. We have 18% arable land in the U.S. and the world wide average is 10% and dropping.  We are only second to china in grain production.  Due to mad cow and avian flu almost all of your meat products are american.  Most of your staple fruits and vegetables are being shipped in from your state or some of your neighbors.  You can boycot mangoes and bananas if it will make you feel better.
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Re: polaris is no longer american made
« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2010, 06:44:18 AM »
The twin cylinder atv motor is built in house.  The singles are fuji's, have been since the 80's. 

About the only atv your gonna get that is truely assembled from pieces in the US instead of modules, is Kawasaki.  They've been American Made since the 1960's.


I bought a Polaris in 2007 brand new, mainly for its ride quality and true all wheel drive system.  Mind you it was replacing a 1985 Honda.  If the honda's rode better and had more then 3 wheel drive, I would have payed the premium to get another.  Its just a better product.

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Re: polaris is no longer american made
« Reply #23 on: April 16, 2011, 06:52:00 AM »
The Rangers are still being built in Spirit Lake iowa.
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Re: polaris is no longer american made
« Reply #24 on: April 16, 2011, 12:53:41 PM »
  I'm NOT a Polaris fan, but i looked at a John Deere UTV the other day, the motor was made in china!  They hated to admit it, but i did get the salesman to finally spit it out! 

  More and more JD stuff is china made these days!

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« Reply #25 on: April 16, 2011, 02:44:54 PM »
"There still American made, which is more than most brands can say"

Could you explain how a vehicle that is built by Mexicans in Mexico is American Made?  Unless you mean South Americans.  I cut and pasted the press release from an online magazine. It included the part about the 500+ employees being laid off, but that they can "apply" for jobs in other Polaris plants.

I retract my earlier statement about John Deere as I found out that their nifty high output new motor is made in China. If I buy Japaneese, I know that is what I am buying and made the decision. Polaris has had a foreign motor in Rangers for years, not just the 2 stroke motors.
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« Reply #26 on: April 16, 2011, 02:50:29 PM »
Here you can read it from the Polaris boss.

Polaris: Moving to Mexico to get closer to customers
by Martin Moylan, Minnesota Public Radio
May 21, 2010


St. Paul, Minn. — Polaris Industries officials fleshed out the reasons behind its plan to shut down its parts plant in Osceola, Wis. The Medina-based company plans to shift much of the work and many of the jobs in Osceola to Mexico.

The Osceola plant, about 25 miles north of Stillwater, employs 515 workers, who make parts for the company's snowmobiles, ATVs and Victory motorcycles.

Officials say some of the work will be moved to company plants in Roseau, Minn., and Spirit Lake, Iowa.

Polaris CEO Scott Wine says the company is closing the plant and opening a facility in Mexico to get closer to key customers and to cut labor costs. He says many competitors have made similar moves.

"We have concluded that in order to remain competitive and position Polaris for growth in the global market, we must align our manufacturing operations closer to our evolving customer base and seek to lower our overall manufacturing and logistics costs," said Wine.

The company expects the move will help it eventually save $30 million a year, with much of the savings coming from lower wages. Officials didn't detail how much lower the wages would be in Mexico, though.

In Mexico, Wine says Polaris will be closer to states where its ATVs and related products have been selling especially well.

"Our ATV and side-by-side products represent over two-thirds of our total sales, with about 40 percent of that customer base located in the southern half of the United States," he said.

Minnesota state economsit Tom Stinson says such plant relocations have been going on for years, as companies try to take advantage of cheaper labor abroad.

"It's just part of the normal course of business. We just hope that we maintain the employment that we have in manufacturing," said Stinson.

Polaris has been known as a made-in-the-USA brand. A Wall Street analyst asked CEO Scott Wine if the Polaris brand and sales might suffer because some products would clearly be made in Mexico, not the USA.

Wine said he doesn't think consumers care.

"Based on all the consumer goods that are bought in the U.S. that are produced in Mexico, we think that as long as we deliver the quality and performance our customers expect that we'll be able to work through this from a brand perspective," he said.

Wine said it's possible Polaris could further expand overseas operations in the future, depending on how foreign sales go. The company is especially keen on growing sales in Latin America.

"As we grow internationally ... we will likely need to have operations there to support that. But there are no current plans," said Wine.

Polaris saw its sales fall 20 percent in 2009 to $1.6 billion, as the recession dampened consumers' appetite for its ATVs, snowmobiles, motorcycles and other vehicles. Still, the company earned about $100 million last year. The company hopes to boost its sales to $3 billion annually by 2014.

Polaris says workers at the Osceola plant will be allowed to apply for jobs at the other Polaris facilities in Minnesota and Iowa ---or with any companies that continue producing parts for Polaris in Osceola.

Polaris is negotiating with suppliers to sell them equipment in the Osceola plant. Polaris says it wants suppliers to take over making parts there.

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Re: polaris is no longer american made
« Reply #27 on: April 18, 2011, 01:07:52 AM »
mexico really there goes quality.

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« Reply #28 on: April 18, 2011, 10:21:43 AM »
Hey ratdog, I would tend to agree. If Polaris is going to save $30, million per year, how could the quality possibly remain the same? I think a person gets what they pay for.  So paying an unskilled worker in Mexico much less than what a skilled worker in America is being paid for the same job, quality is likely to suffer.  I say unskilled worker in Mexico, of course I would assume that Polaris like any company outsourcing their work will train the lower paid workers.  I wonder how long before the drug cartels buy stock in Polaris? 
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« Reply #29 on: April 18, 2011, 05:21:14 PM »
mexico really there goes quality.

  What quality?  Even the dealers here admit that they have more relibility problems than Honda and Yamaha.  From what i see, owners of them here who let them get older, pay way too much to keep them going now!

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