Obama sending 1,200 troops to Mexico border

[teamnelson]

TeamNelson, it dose not matter what state the Guard comes from. With the stroke of his pen the president can federalize them and they are then under his control not the governor.
    If you remember George Wallace’s school door stand, that is just what JFK did and used his own guard against him.
                                                    Beerbelly

You're right ... but it's wrong. Federalization of NG is contrary to the existence of an NG; its a loophole around posse comitatus. You might say it doesn't matter, its already broken ... that's just proof to me that the campaign worked. Americans are OK with an ever increasing federal control, as long as its for a "good" cause. When in fact there's a better way, which is to let the states retain autonomy & $ and solve it themselves. McCain continues to disappoint, he's asking for a larger # of troops. Thank you Mr. Senator for validating Federal Usurpation of State's Rights. The next logical step from that is for us to ask the UN to come help us, right? I mean after all, sovereignty no longer exists, as long as the average American is scared they might not get to watch Oprah and eat lil'debbies.

[Dee]

TN, the very thought of the UN taking control of our borders should scare the hell out of even the most liberal of liberals. BUT! It is a distinct possibility the way things are going.

[wreckhog]

I am not in disagreement with you - after all it was not Obama that said it, it was Mexico. Obama wants to keep it on the down low what they are really there for. It has been proven already that guns are not coming from the US - even though the popular press twist is they are.

Where are the guns coming from? I did not think that Mexico manufactured guns except for some pump shotguns.

[SHOOTALL]

I would not count the Average American out yet as they have armed themselves to the teeth since Obama took over . And that should scare all .

[teamnelson]

I am not in disagreement with you - after all it was not Obama that said it, it was Mexico. Obama wants to keep it on the down low what they are really there for. It has been proven already that guns are not coming from the US - even though the popular press twist is they are.

Where are the guns coming from? I did not think that Mexico manufactured guns except for some pump shotguns.

Seriously? Are you under the impression that the US is the only manufacturer of firearms? No wonder so many folks are so easily duped by the lies.

Of all the weapons confiscated in Mexico and forwarded to our FBI for identification, only a very small percentage originated in the US. And the only reason they forwarded those is that they had serial numbers. The vast majority of weapons used have no serial number, so were not manufactured in the US. Let's see, who else makes weapons that perhaps would not put serial numbers on them Even Brazil puts serial numbers on their guns.

[teamnelson]

OBL revitalized the opium industry in Afghanistan, bringing in Russian chemists to upgrade the means of production from traditional to world class pharmaceutical standards, all to fund terrorism. OBL/Taliban works/ed hand in glove with the largest drug cartels, we know even selling at discount if they can guarantee delivery of product to the US. Ask a college kid what a Binnie is; its high grade heroin, raised by the Taliban, processed and shipped to the cartels who then handle distribution in North America. And they used the same smuggling routes as the cartels to bring in terror cell folks and weapons - its a total collaboration. Are folks tracking that there is a huge fundamentalist Muslim city in South America, all immigrants?

So where do you suppose the weapons are coming from again? Could it possibly be via the same supply route as the drugs? I guess if you're Obama, you think Americans at gun shows are single handedly arming the drug cartels. That's BS. I read one report that said the FBI has tracked a number of those serialized weapons (again a very small percentage of the total used in crime in Mexico) of US origin to theft in the US. Crackhead breaks in to your house, steals your guns, trades them for a hit. Weapon passes up the chain, out of the country, if its a nice one. If its not, they resell it to a gangbanger in the US.

[teamnelson]

TM7, you and I will have to disagree on that I guess. Ground truth supports the fact that the UBL and the Taliban were revolutionizing heroin in the 90's prior to 9/11, and after UBL's snub by the Saudis. Local afghanis have confirmed that, so I don't know where the other version comes from. I don't think UBL is alive anymore, but there is plenty of evidence that the supply chain is still in place and running.

World's top weapons brokers ... well former USSR states are growing and on the rise, China, NK. US & Europe are big producers, but if you go below the volume you see that its inflated with high dollar items, like missile systems, etc. Individually operated firearms on the other hand seem to be on the rise from countries outside the US, oddly enough India is the fastest growing. But in Mexico, I'm thinking there are still plenty of cold war munitions floating around from the various revolutions, etc, for the rank & file. Newer weapons are readily accessible on the $1 Trillion world arms trade circuit.

My point is, just because its a gun does not mean it came from the US; why isn't Mexico working with Cuba, Argentina, Chile, Bolivia, Pakistan, China or North Korea to solve the flow of weapons into the streets of Mexico?

[billy_56081]

I can't believe that most of you silly folks can't understand simple economics. Why pay 500 to 1000 dollars for an ak or ar in the U.S. When you can buy full auto AK7s for less than 200 dollars each from and arms dealer?

I don't understand why they call it common sense, its not all that common.

[wreckhog]

I am not in disagreement with you - after all it was not Obama that said it, it was Mexico. Obama wants to keep it on the down low what they are really there for. It has been proven already that guns are not coming from the US - even though the popular press twist is they are.

Where are the guns coming from? I did not think that Mexico manufactured guns except for some pump shotguns.

Seriously? Are you under the impression that the US is the only manufacturer of firearms? No wonder so many folks are so easily duped by the lies.

Of all the weapons confiscated in Mexico and forwarded to our FBI for identification, only a very small percentage originated in the US. And the only reason they forwarded those is that they had serial numbers. The vast majority of weapons used have no serial number, so were not manufactured in the US. Let's see, who else makes weapons that perhaps would not put serial numbers on them Even Brazil puts serial numbers on their guns.

Are you saying that the story below is false?

Most of the weapons found in the largest gun seizure in Mexican history have been traced by federal ATF agents to Texas retailers.
The Mexican army's raid on a Reynosa stash house in November found a trove of drug cartel weapons that included 540 rifles, 165 hand grenades, 500,000 rounds of ammunition, TNT and other munitions.

Officials with the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives said they were able to trace 383 serial numbers from rifles seized in the raid and that 80 percent of those weapons came from licensed firearms dealers in Texas, primarily along the border.

[billy_56081]

Heck wreckhog how about you take me to them there gun shops that sell hand grenades. Do they also sell RPG's?

I am still wondering about that common sense thing.

[mauser98us]

I llive in a border state. My response...........Big deal

[teamnelson]

So your saying %80 of 383 guns, like 300 guns, is proof that the US is the source of the problem? Seriously, 300? I saw more than that on a single table at the bazaar in Mogadishu. How many guns do you suppose are in Mexico? A few million probably, but for 300 well blame the US. Ok.

[Dee]

If the drug cartels would keep the fighting in Mexico, I might donate a couple of guns myself.

[AtlLaw]

If the drug cartels would keep the fighting in Mexico, I might donate a couple of guns myself.

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