Obama sending 1,200 troops to Mexico border

[teamnelson]

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64O5RE20100526

President Barack Obama will seek $500 million for security and send up to 1,200 National Guard troops to the U.S.-Mexican border, an administration official said on Tuesday, after demands from both Republicans and Democrats for more federal resources along the frontier.

Great idea, wrong implementation. Instead of further entrenching federal control of what really are state assets, how about we let the states in question keep $500 million to spend on sending their own National Guard troops to patrol their borders. Eliminate the federal overhead involved, and I'm spitballing that they'll do it for half that amount, with better results, all while preserving state sovereignty and acknowledging that the NG is theirs to control.

U.S. officials are also concerned drug-related violence will cross the border from Mexico, where some 23,000 people have been killed since Calderon took office in late 2006 as drug gangs fight turf wars and battle federal agents.

Wow, 6 times more people have died on his watch than the number of Americans killed in the GWOT and he has the cojones to tell us how to run our country?

[mcwoodduck]

I wonder if the Guard is the to protect the illegals from the Minnute Men, ICE, State and Local Law enforcement.
Or am I too cynical of the Moron in Charge.

[Dee]

Actually Mr. Duck what you propose is a fair question.

[LaOtto222]

+1 here too. Why wait until AZ passes a law, then think about sending troops to the boarder? To help the illeagals across of course

[gypsyman]

Probably have orders to help them with food and water, set up tent cities. Then, after they recouperate, and get healthy, give them a good tongue lashing, and let them on their way. Make sure they redjusture to vote before turning them loose.gypsyman

[TheCoachZed]

Maybe he wants some troops in the area in case he decides the states are getting too uppity? If he decides to use the army to enforce some Federal law, he's got them in place to send them in, just like in ??Mississippi?? during de-segregation. Not that I am a fan of segregation!

[Swampman]

Another huge waste of taxpayers money.  We will have to borrow the money from China to support this and it will accomplish nothing.

[LaOtto222]

The Mexican Embassy issued a statement later Tuesday saying the additional National Guard troops should help prevent the illegal flow of weapons and cash into Mexico. It also said Mexico "expects that National Guard personnel will strengthen U.S. operations in the fight against transnational organized crime that operates on both sides of our common border and that it will not, in accordance to its legal obligations, conduct activities directly linked to the enforcement of immigration laws."

There you have it. They are not to stop illeagals from crossing into the US, they are to stop money and guns flowing into Mexico - should have known

[Oldshooter]

The guns going down there are going in trucks and cars on the highways if they are going at all.
This is a political ploy to diffuse the anti illegal furor that the Arizona law started. In other words he still a lying SOB and hes gonna play some serious Chicago politics to get some votes come November.

[LaOtto222]

I am not in disagreement with you - after all it was not Obama that said it, it was Mexico. Obama wants to keep it on the down low what they are really there for. It has been proven already that guns are not coming from the US - even though the popular press twist is they are.

[Swampman]

Few of the guns come from the US.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/02/myth-percent-small-fraction-guns-mexico-come/

[billy_56081]

Why would the Mexiaca drug lords buy Semi auto AR's and AK's in the us for 500 to 1000 dollars each, when they can buy fulla auto AK's from weapons dealers for a couple hundred apeice.

[SHOOTALL]

So what happens when these drug / weapons dealers shoot at US troops from their side of the border ?
What about all the Mexican Speical forces already in large American cities ? are they plants ?
 Think about this - a group of illegals are crossing to find farm work. A group of US troops are going to stop them and a group of Mexican drug dealers open fire killing some of the illegals . What will the news report ? Will the govt have the guts to stand its ground under world opinion ?

[billy_56081]

Dead is dead, I just want the invasion stopped. I still think mines, booby traps and poisoned bottles of water would go a long way.

[SHOOTALL]

So where you putting them ? on the border or inside the beltway ?

[Swampman]

All desk jobs I'm hearing.

[teamnelson]

Does nobody else care that the FEDERAL government is seeking $ to send STATE assets to protect the border? Is it not the governors of the respective states who are supposed to determine whether or not to employ the NG?

Seriously, folks. Have y'all forgotten what the National Guard was about? You're worried about what they're being sent to do - if the governors were in charge of their NG like they're supposed to be, then each State could determine how best, how many, and how much to spend on the operation. That's the whole check and balance built into the system. State sovereignty is the solution to the immigration issue. Legalize the constitution.

[SHOOTALL]

What will 1200 unarmed men do aginst the 1000's crossing ? well armed but with out bullets .

[mcwoodduck]

Actually Mr. Duck what you propose is a fair question.

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Looks like they're expecting trouble and disorder. I'm sure it is not about controlling or throttling back on immigration....that would be contrary to unofficial US policy since the Reagan years of opening/erasing the border. Look for blue helmets at some point...



..TM7

Even if they are expecting trouble or plan on using the Guard to intimadate the state, I think it would be interesting to see if the commander of the guard unit would follow his oath to defend and protect the constitution or follow illegal orders that allow illegal activity.
The American People will NEVER allow Blue helmeted UN troops with in our boarders.   The pinko Commie Bed Wetters, like President Carter and others that called for them after the people in Fl could not knock out a chad, would have a different point of view if forgien troops were roaming US streets armed.

[teamnelson]

I would be curious to see which NG units are being discussed. If this is simply a matter of calling up Arizonans to serve on the Arizona border, I would not worry about them being used against the populace - that's their families and neighbors. Again ... THAT'S WHY THE NATIONAL GUARD WORKS FOR THE GOVERNOR!!!

If, on the other hand, we're going to call up NG folks from non-border states to serve in border states, then it begs the question of mission.

[AtlLaw]

The American People will NEVER allow Blue helmeted UN troops with in our boarders. 

We can only pray you are right McWoody...  Unfortunately, I don't have the faith in the American people you do...    They elected Obama didn't they...

[BBF]

Not that I am a fan of segregation!

So all that bussing and forceable mixing is working??

[mcwoodduck]

The American People will NEVER allow Blue helmeted UN troops with in our boarders. 

We can only pray you are right McWoody...  Unfortunately, I don't have the faith in the American people you do...    They elected Obama didn't they...

Me too but even the left will go nuts seeing blue helmited French, Belgin, Chinese, Cuban, or Some Eastern European country that was onece part of the USSR armed in American Streets and will be screaming.  Personally I think it would be the best thing to wake up the country and see what leftist One Communist Wold morons are running the left and it took a Carter for us to wake up and Ellect a Ronald Reagan.
If the pengelium swings equally the other way we should see someone right of Reagan (ME ? ) as President and move the country the back to the right and start dismanteling the huge tax an spend on the grand kids credit card.  And we realize the Government is not the answer but the problem and we use government for hat it was designed- Provide the goods and services the private sector is not willing or able to provide.
What drives me nuts here in CA is the morons we ellect to provide Police, Fire, Schools, and Hospitals spend all the tax Dollars on themselves, and thier projects and then treaten to eliminate Police, Prisons, Teachers, and Fire departments.  It would be like giving your teenager Grocery money and they buy Candy and stuff they want when you send them to the grocery store for family food and then ask for more money for groceries and then more for their allowance and some more for thier friends or they will let you starve.  

[Dee]

As far as blue helmeted troops on U.S. soil, do some research. They have been here for a decade or more. Just not out in really public areas working. And Bush or Clinton one, I forget, signed an agreement that Nato Troops would come in and put down a large scale civil unrest should it occur on our soil as our Constitution has Posse Comitatus.  U.S. Army troops have been helping CIVILIAN police and state police down here in Texas do traffic D.L. checks. Armed troops are STILL patrolling New Orleans.

AND! Obama is not the first to promise U.S. troop on the border. GW Bush made the same promise but it never happened. He made the public announcement when he too came under pressure, and it quited everyone down, but he never delivered. They aren't there yet guys, so I wouldn't hold my breath until their actually there.

[SHOOTALL]

Troops from other countries train at Fort Pickett Va.

[beerbelly]

TeamNelson, it dose not matter what state the Guard comes from. With the stroke of his pen the president can federalize them and they are then under his control not the governor.
    If you remember George Wallace’s school door stand, that is just what JFK did and used his own guard against him.
                                                    Beerbelly

[SHOOTALL]

When JFK did that most American voters were fat and happy and not willing to fight . Seems many today have a different mindset.

[Dee]

The only way your gonna get average, everyday, non-military American citizens to fight is cut off their refrigerator privileges. Their not gonna do anything, until they get hungry. Their gonna bluster, and bluff, and huff and puff, and threaten, and then once again, vote for the lessor of two evils, and then start the whole process over again, wondering why it didn't change, and complaining all the way. FIGHT? What a joke! You can't even get them on the same page to vote these knuckle heads out. They are, for the most part, like a ping pong ball. Back and forth, from one set of redundant knuckle heads to another, leaving the good players on the bench.
When they finally see those blue helmeted troops standin on "THEIR" street corners, THEN AND ONLY THEN, will they accept the fact that it's "already happening", but it's too late to stop it. Three kinds of people. in this country, and in this world. THOSE THAT "MAKE" THINGS HAPPEN, THOSE THAT "WATCH" THINGS HAPPEN, AND THOSE THAT "WONDER", WHAT HAPPENED.

[blind ear]

All the letters and faxes and alert your congressman emails we get on the internet don't ammount to a hill of beans. When the federal/guard troops gather and the citizens see that they are going against the citizens and the constitution, the citizens reporting to the conflict zone is the decideing factor. Keep in mind that barriers will be set up on access routes to the conflict zone. The actions of governors and citizens of boardering states will come into play. The layers of government and military will come into play. State leaders can help or hinder the citizens.

When you load up your auto with guns and ammo and hit the roap to go help you will face obstacles long before you get there. eddiegjr

[torpedoman]

The Mexican Embassy issued a statement later Tuesday saying the additional National Guard troops should help prevent the illegal flow of weapons and cash into Mexico. It also said Mexico "expects that National Guard personnel will strengthen U.S. operations in the fight against transnational organized crime that operates on both sides of our common border and that it will not, in accordance to its legal obligations, conduct activities directly linked to the enforcement of immigration laws."

There you have it. They are not to stop illeagals from crossing into the US, they are to stop money and guns flowing into Mexico - should have known

Anyone else wonder why it is called the MEXICAN border when they do nothing but whine about our failure to control it?