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Offline benny123

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Experiences with ordering FA' --500WE
« on: May 29, 2010, 04:42:59 PM »
About 7-10 days ago I spoke to a local gun shop/outdoors store about ordering a FA 500WE. I knew they were not a approved dealer as they were not on the publicized FA Dealer list; however, as I had a ample credit with them it seemed worth the effort.  The manager I spoke to sounded pretty confident he could order it and told me he would call back within the next day or two with price details. Today, I stopped in there and spoke to an assistant who appeared to know of the request but made it seem like there were a lot of hoops to go through.

I am deliberating buying a used 50AE with the option of adding WE capability. The thing is there are certain features I want--trigger job and ivory micarta grips and maybe jeweled trigger. By the time you add these features to a used FA and consider shipping you have a price that borders new.

Opinions on how you guys approach FA purchases would be appreciated. Thanks.

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Re: Experiences with ordering FA' --500WE
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2010, 06:42:16 PM »
Technically speaking there is no such thing as an "authorized FA dealer". Anyone with an FFL can order factory direct and it will be shipped to them at the same price it will cost any other FFL dealer. The profit margin to retail dealers is thin so don't expect to get a discount from MSRP or at least not much of one.

Depending on what features you want and what's about ready at the time it can take a bit for one to get from Wyoming to your FFL dealer. If you are getting a run around from the dealer it's NOT FA's fault but the problem lies with the dealer.


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Re: Experiences with ordering FA' --500WE
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2010, 07:14:01 PM »
Thanks for the reply, Graybeard. About an hour after writing, I received a voice mail from "Dusty" at BassPro. He said he checked with all of his distributors and none of them have a relationship with Freedom Arms. Listening to the voicemail again it sounded asif he searched high and low within the state but just couldn't find a "distributor". It's more annoying than anything because I purchased a lot of equipment there.



Technically speaking there is no such thing as an "authorized FA dealer". Anyone with an FFL can order factory direct and it will be shipped to them at the same price it will cost any other FFL dealer. The profit margin to retail dealers is thin so don't expect to get a discount from MSRP or at least not much of one.

Depending on what features you want and what's about ready at the time it can take a bit for one to get from Wyoming to your FFL dealer. If you are getting a run around from the dealer it's NOT FA's fault but the problem lies with the dealer.

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Re: Experiences with ordering FA' --500WE
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2010, 08:24:30 PM »
According to what Graybeard posted, you might have to give "Dusty" a call and inform him that this ain't no ordinary gun deal. He will have to deal directly with Freedom Arms, no middle man to work around. He maybe never dealt with any of the "factories" before. JMHO
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Re: Experiences with ordering FA' --500WE
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2010, 01:24:08 AM »
Sounds like you need another dealer. The dealer should order factory direct. If they haven't established credit, they will likely have to use a credit card to order. Buying used FA's over the Internet can be a crapshoot, although I've bought a half dozen or more that way and have been satisfied with the results - but I ask questions and get photos.
You're right that buying a used gun and sending it to the factory for add-ons can get expensive - the used gun must be bought at a great price.
To buy a gun with exactly the options you want at the price you want, I believe that the key is finding the "right" dealer who will sell at Dealer Cost plus an agreed -upon mark-up, plus shipping, tax, etc.
Doesn't sound like you have that dealer yet.

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Re: Experiences with ordering FA' --500WE
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2010, 01:27:28 AM »
By the way, when you have the "right" dealer, have them ask FA to ship the gun via USPS Priority Mail rather than via that bandit bunch of legal thieves at UPS, and save yourself about another $50.

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Re: Experiences with ordering FA' --500WE
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2010, 02:02:12 AM »
Problem is you are trying to use Bass Pro, not a real gun shop.  Does not matter how much you have spent in the past with them, they are just a chain store like Wal Mart, with about as much concern for your past purchases.  I have had a couple bad experiences with them having to deal with incompetence, so my view may be jaded.  Any real FFL gun shop owner should be able to contact FA direct, and place the order, or accept delivery of a used one you may find on a site such as Gunbroker.com.  When ordering a new one, you might have to pre-pay, based on the gun shops credit standing with FA.

By the way, unless something has changed, you can not send a handgun via the US Mail, FFL or not.  Long guns only.

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Re: Experiences with ordering FA' --500WE
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2010, 05:47:24 AM »

By the way, unless something has changed, you can not send a handgun via the US Mail, FFL or not.  Long guns only.

Larry

Sorry, but your statement is wrong.  FFL's can mail handguns to FFL's.

I copied this statement from a USPS link:
Handguns may also be mailed between licensed manufacturers of firearms and licensed dealers of firearms in customary trade shipments, or for repairing or replacing parts.

I've had my local Dealer ship and receive many, many Rugers via U.S.P.S.    :)

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Re: Experiences with ordering FA' --500WE
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2010, 06:34:04 AM »
The reason none of their distributors have a relationship with FA is cuz they don't deal thru middle men. Each shop can buy direct from FA and all at the same price so it is not profitable for a "distributor" to buy and stock them hoping to sale them to dealers as the dealer can buy at the same price the distributor would.

Just look up their phone number from their website and have any FFL dealer you wanna deal with call them and the order can be placed while you are there with them and they can tell you what your cost will be rat then and get a good idea of whatever wait period might be required for FA to get it ready to ship.


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Re: Experiences with ordering FA' --500WE
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2010, 08:08:15 AM »
Yeah, when I spoke to the manager of the store the fist time I explained how FA's website indicates if you want to become a dealer you can just phone them. I knew it may not have been exactly that simple. But, I also thought they would phone them, I would hear back from them on time and cost and that would be it. Funny sometimes how people prefer making things more complicated than they should be. In hindsight they probably realized that based on these circumstances they wouldn't be able to make much, so, they opted to just make it seem like it was impossible. The thing is big stores like this are great in that their size gives  'em a lot of buying power. It's nice to walk in and find all the reloading equipment you need. But, now I realize you can't ask them for favors. What burns me is that they could have just said "No" instead of BS'ing me.

Yeah, regarding the used front, you guys have cornered that market pretty well. When I do find a fairly specialized FA out there it seems to always be sold to a GBO member. It's always Axman--or, a similar handle to that. Definitely have to act quick!

By the way, I really am thankful for this site because I learned basically how to handload, what reloading equipment to buy, how to handle loading the 454, and a lot of other things from the members. Not having to resort to factory loads helped the pocketbook and my hands.

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Re: Experiences with ordering FA' --500WE
« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2010, 09:38:12 AM »
benny

 I bought a Model 83 in .454 a few years ago from a seller on GunsAmerica and it was supposedly unfired. I believe it really was unfired and it shot very well and was in as new condition....just a slight turn ring. While at the range last year I lost track of how many shots I'd fired and dropped the hammer on an already fired case....The firing pin stuck in the forward position and tied up the gun. When I got home I took a brass rod from the muzzle and tapped on the inside of the primer cup which freed up the firing  pin. No damage done but after having this happen once more I decided to send it to FA....the trigger pull was just a little too heavy anyway. I had an action job done along with a firing pin upgrade to the new style bushing type. I'm 101% happy with the gun and the job that John at FA did on it.

 The point I want to make is this.....My "deal" on a "mint" gun wasn't quite that good of a deal after all because the firing pin issue was caused by dry firing....a LOT of dry firing...something FA clearly says not to do..... and it wasn't me that did it. I've purchased other used FA's with no problems whatever but the last one was new and the next one will be too. If you can verify the history of a used gun or know the seller...fine. If not, bear in mind that you might possibly have to stick a little more money in it and bid accordingly. FWIW

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Re: Experiences with ordering FA' --500WE
« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2010, 10:40:17 AM »
Hawg, I wrote a lengthy response but I musta not submitted it properly. Anyway, after I bought my FA 454 a year some ago at a gun show I realized two things: It would be unusual for a person to be selling a gun after shooting only a few rounds, and, if the seller of the gun you want to buy claims to be friends of the Baker's take that with a grain of salt.







benny

 I bought a Model 83 in .454 a few years ago from a seller on GunsAmerica and it was supposedly unfired. I believe it really was unfired and it shot very well and was in as new condition....just a slight turn ring. While at the range last year I lost track of how many shots I'd fired and dropped the hammer on an already fired case....The firing pin stuck in the forward position and tied up the gun. When I got home I took a brass rod from the muzzle and tapped on the inside of the primer cup which freed up the firing  pin. No damage done but after having this happen once more I decided to send it to FA....the trigger pull was just a little too heavy anyway. I had an action job done along with a firing pin upgrade to the new style bushing type. I'm 101% happy with the gun and the job that John at FA did on it.

 The point I want to make is this.....My "deal" on a "mint" gun wasn't quite that good of a deal after all because the firing pin issue was caused by dry firing....a LOT of dry firing...something FA clearly says not to do..... and it wasn't me that did it. I've purchased other used FA's with no problems whatever but the last one was new and the next one will be too. If you can verify the history of a used gun or know the seller...fine. If not, bear in mind that you might possibly have to stick a little more money in it and bid accordingly. FWIW

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Re: Experiences with ordering FA' --500WE
« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2010, 12:48:27 PM »

By the way, unless something has changed, you can not send a handgun via the US Mail, FFL or not.  Long guns only.

Larry

Sorry, but your statement is wrong.  FFL's can mail handguns to FFL's.

I copied this statement from a USPS link:
Handguns may also be mailed between licensed manufacturers of firearms and licensed dealers of firearms in customary trade shipments, or for repairing or replacing parts.

I've had my local Dealer ship and receive many, many Rugers via U.S.P.S.    :)

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If that is so, then I stand corrected.  A few years back when I was selling and shipping some guns on a couple auction sites, my local post office made it sound like no handguns at all, even between dealers.

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Re: Experiences with ordering FA' --500WE
« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2010, 12:52:41 PM »
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Hawg, I wrote a lengthy response but I musta not submitted it properly.

What most likely happened was while you were typing that long response someone else posted. You then likely failed to notice the warning that a post had been made while you were typing and that "you might want to check it prior to posting" when that happens if you don't hit post a second time your reponse goes to cyberspace.

I got more than my fair share deleted due to that before Matt finally informed me it was possible to turn that feature off so no posts were lost to it. I immediately turned it off on me and haven't lost one since. I went ahead and turned the feature off for you so you shouldn't lose anymore that way.


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Re: Experiences with ordering FA' --500WE
« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2010, 01:05:14 PM »



"You then likely failed to notice the warning that a post had been made while you were typing and that "you might want to check it prior to posting" when that happens"

 My fiancee was lurking behind me probing who I was writing to. Then, it's the "your not buying guns again, right?" C'mon Gray, I need a site that is gonna keep up with these demands!

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Hawg, I wrote a lengthy response but I musta not submitted it properly.

What most likely happened was while you were typing that long response someone else posted. You then likely failed to notice the warning that a post had been made while you were typing and that "you might want to check it prior to posting" when that happens if you don't hit post a second time your reponse goes to cyberspace.

I got more than my fair share deleted due to that before Matt finally informed me it was possible to turn that feature off so no posts were lost to it. I immediately turned it off on me and haven't lost one since. I went ahead and turned the feature off for you so you shouldn't lose anymore that way.
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Re: Experiences with ordering FA' --500WE
« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2010, 01:18:18 PM »
Big Easy,
Believe me , flatgate is absolutely correct. Handguns are sent between FFL's via USPS Priority Mail every day...at a significant savings over UPS, as I said.

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Re: Experiences with ordering FA' --500WE
« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2010, 04:00:36 PM »
+1 on buying what you want....  Used guns can be fine deals but before you buy a used FA with the idea that you'll send it back for cylinders, trigger jobs, grips, round butts, etc... take the time to run the numbers...

FWIW I just had a dealer buddy ship a gun for me...  Less than $24...

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Re: Experiences with ordering FA' --500WE/gun store etiquette
« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2010, 09:51:38 PM »
Thanks for all the feedback--It led me to one of the "Preferred" FA dealers. Which is a really good way of putting it as speaking to Bass Pro got me nowhere. Though I would have preferred to not special order, I knew there were certain features I wanted. Buying a FA that didn't have the action job was a comfort I didn't want to go without. For me, it's just easier to shoot well with one. Then, there was a few more extras. Though they were cosmetic, I wanted it look a certain way.

So, while waiting for a quote a customer comes in. One of the guys directs him to the cased FA's. At this time I have my 6" 454 holstered and I hear him respond to one of the employees, "Boy, I was looking to pay more like $1,100".  Being that they were all new, expectedly they were all around ~$1,800. The same employee says, "They, haven't been that price for about 10 or 15 years".  So, then he kind of mutters that he was lookin' for a 6 inch. As he is standing nearby I tell 'em, just come back in a week and he can have this one, gesturing to mine. I can tell he wants to see it, so I hand it to him and, unsurprisingly, his eyes lights up. He clearly wants it. We all talk guns for a few minutes while I wait for Dave LaRue (the shop's FA guy/also apparently a previous FA employee) . During this time I reholster the 454 and a few minutes later the gentleman hands me a business card.

About a minute later, I get the quote and am offered $1,100 in trade for mine. i don't argue about it because I just wanted to get a feel for what the new gun is gonna cost me--whether it be with a trade or not. I tell Dave I will order the gun regardless but need 24 hours to consider the decision. What d'ya know the older gentleman mentioned above follows me out and tells me he over-heard the offer for $1,100. I explain to him I am not sure if I want to even sell it. Loading cartridge after cartridge by hand and often spending lunch hours, not eating but shooting it, has enstilled a fondness that I'm not sure I am ready to part with. He shares stories and offers $1,300.00. I emphasize the nostalgia that's keeping me from making a decision and thank him for his interest.

In hindsight, there was the distinct impression that the employee felt slighted and I felt a little responsible for that. Here's the thing the guy wanted a 6", and wasn't keen on new prices. That's just the facts.


Later in the day I called the shop. I wanted to take a moment to thank them, especially Dave, for assisting. But, I also wanted to apologize for the very unusual circumstances. It seemed pretty to clear the guy who answered was the same guy trying to help the customer. He was clearly a little frustrated that the gestures took place. But, also didn't blame me. Still, I did feel I engaged in bad etiquette.

Tomorrow morning, I will leave a deposit for the FA--and apologize.