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Re: 19+ killed by IDF Commando Raid on Relief Ships
« Reply #30 on: June 02, 2010, 04:41:48 AM »
The Israelis might be a little trigger happy and overly cautious, but who can blame them?  When you are surrounded by people whose stated aim is the complete destruction of your country, what exactly does the world expect?  

There might well be a lot of innocent Palestinians, but they are Muslims and that in my book gives the Israelis just cause to be very suspicious of anything they do, or are a part of.  They are Israel's Latinos times one hundred.  If Israel is going to be accused of genocide, maybe they should get on with it.  They should take a page from how Jordan dealt with the Palestinians.  I have a feeling that we might someday have to do the same.
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Re: 19+ killed by IDF Commando Raid on Relief Ships
« Reply #31 on: June 02, 2010, 05:13:03 AM »
  "Activists" (re terrorists) struck first..against an inspection crew..
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6sAEYpHF24&feature=player_embedded

  remember; the "Palestinians" solemnly promised "PEACE"..for the gift of the Gaza strip. Men of their word, they are.. :D ;D :P
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Re: 19+ killed by IDF Commando Raid on Relief Ships
« Reply #32 on: June 02, 2010, 07:09:08 AM »
my opinion is that israel messed up here. 
    they went in using paintball guns with pepper balls.  stupid, stupid, stupid.   israel just sent the wrong message.   the commandos should have had submachine guns and live ammo only.  if resistance is met, and you have to fire, shoot to kill.   
   "building materials"  can and are used for more than making buildings.    ::)   the turks were looking to create an incident, and they got what they wished for.  if you go sniffing around in other people's business, dont be surprised when you get your @$$ shot off. 

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« Reply #33 on: June 02, 2010, 08:54:13 AM »
Israel seems quite easy going really , America will rightfully so go to the other side of the world to attack those who have attacked us , trained those who attacked us  , or supported them . Israel only attacked those close to home . Those in range to attack with out warning . But the arabs may find poking Israel is like poking a hornets nest - you may get away with it a few times but sooner or later they will be all over ya .
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« Reply #34 on: June 02, 2010, 09:39:46 AM »
Here's how it needs to go down in order to obtain a modicum of peace in Israel/Gaza.  One of the Muslim countries around the world needs to offer asylum to the Palestinians and just let the Israelis have the frakking Gaza strip.  These people (Jews and Muslims) absolutely can not dwell within mortar/rocket distance of one another.  Carve out a track in Iraq and call it Palestine, whatever.  The Palestinians need their own country, not this strip of contention they have now.  As many Muslim countries as there are, and as large as some of them are (IE Afghanistan, Turkey,  Iraq), they could give them a 'Gaza Strip' in their own border and rid the world of some strife.  Just please put them amongst people of their own beliefs or we'll have more Saddam Hussein crap going on (remember what he did to the Kurds).  So come on Muslim countries, belly up and carve out a small nation for these folks.  Put up or shut up.

PS And as for who was there first, or who's it rightfully is, who cares?  Do you enjoy living penned in like sheep?  Do you like watching your families blown to bits?  Do you like making war, not love?   I'd leave, if there were somewhere to go.
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Re: 19+ killed by IDF Commando Raid on Relief Ships
« Reply #35 on: June 02, 2010, 10:33:05 AM »
just let the Israelis have the frakking Gaza strip

They will not stop there look at a map of Israel when it was created in 1948 and what it is now! They give back a little , then create an excuse to take more land. They are as much at fault as the rag heads are.
  After the attacked the USS Liberty I have had no use for the murdering Basta---!
 Yes in my opinion they are committing genocide. Slowly but surly.
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« Reply #36 on: June 02, 2010, 10:37:17 AM »
You crack me up guy , they didn't expand until attacked . They took the high ground in war and decided to keep it .
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Re: 19+ killed by IDF Commando Raid on Relief Ships
« Reply #38 on: June 02, 2010, 11:39:31 AM »
Yeah, those really look like peaceful activists to me.

Does any of the "its Israels fault" gang here, ever think that they might be getting some wrong info?
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« Reply #39 on: June 02, 2010, 11:42:31 AM »
hey, they were jews......surely they deserved it.    ::)

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« Reply #40 on: June 02, 2010, 11:48:33 AM »
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quote by:  Avyctes - The Palestinians need their own country, not this strip of contention they have now.


You're on the right track in your thinking , but continuing this tension is the muslims mindset.   They are using these people to bring worldwide hatred for the Jews in order to exterminate every last Jew on earth.    ::)
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Re: 19+ killed by IDF Commando Raid on Relief Ships
« Reply #41 on: June 02, 2010, 11:59:46 AM »
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look at a map of Israel when it was created in 1948 and what it is now!

Look at the map before the Romans sacked the place 2,063 years ago. The Roman general named Pompey took control of Jerusalem.


Israel has been around long before 1948.  Palestine, is considered a political propaganda term with massive anti-Israel implications by anyone who studies history, and ya, you need to go back before 1948.

Israel has been fighting for their survival longer than almost anyone on earth.  They are but a spec on the map compared to the massive amount of land everyone else has.

It is written they will be fighting for their survival until the end, and they will win in the end. No matter what anyone thinks is right or wrong.
Many will find out the hard way...the way most people find things out I guess.

Netanyahu: "Israel Is Guilty Until Proven Guilty"......aint it the truth...all these years. And aint the UN worthless as always all these years.


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« Reply #42 on: June 02, 2010, 12:30:23 PM »
What part of sniper shooting the captain, strafing the ship before fast landing in the dark, and EXECUTING passengers from a hit list do you guys not get??...Was ita mememrial earlier in the day for USS Liberty that started the Israelis foaming from the mouth, or just their nature/heritage..?? Your videos are propganda.  The people on these ships were comprised of older persons form 20 or more countries sailing on the high seas on a humantarian mission and no Christian would ever ever deny humantarian aid to people in need...ever!....Had they been properly armed to defend themselves from the surprise nighttime ninja attack they could have perhaps been able to take out a dozen or more IDF terrorist attackers. Sorry,,,for Israel;;; it needs to foment terrorism in order to continuely expand just as they are in Iracq and Afghanistan using USA proxies to do the same for them. Israel thrives on genocide...slow and fast, and so-called American christians enable this crap. I have never seen any article from moslems wishing the extermination of all jews...that would be quite a task if one considers lumping in 220 million USA 2nd tier jews known as judaeo-christians. They have however prayed for the end of zionism once and for all and an end of the theft of their land, infiltration of their politic and organizations; and an honoring of the promise of a Palestinian state as detailed in the Balfour Agreement.

The Irish ship 'Rachel Corrie" is on the way to continue the aid mission. Rachel Corrie is the Joan D' Arc of of our time....will they torpedo the "Rachel Corrie" next..?


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Jimster thats all propaganda...historically revisionist and just plain incorrect information by zionist for zionist.



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 For old people they swung those pipes very well, wouldn't you say? A video that doesn't support your agenda is propaganda? The least you could do is explain the circumstances caught instead of painting a totally different picture of the events.

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Re: 19+ killed by IDF Commando Raid on Relief Ships
« Reply #43 on: June 02, 2010, 12:36:43 PM »
Hey TM the part we don't get is that what you are saying is not true. The Israelis went in with nonlethal force. When they were confronted by and out numbered by a violent mob, they resorted to their sidearms. I understand that you want to use sources that support your antisemetic hatred. But that doesn't make it the truth.
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« Reply #44 on: June 02, 2010, 12:50:15 PM »
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Jimster thats all propaganda...historically revisionist and just plain incorrect information by zionist for zionist.

OK   ;)   Let's throw out the artifacts dug up out of the ground and trash the Old Testimate too...might as well go all the way.

Maybe the Romans were the Jews best friends too I suppose.   :o

Propaganda works both ways. I see a lot of it lately. History, now that's a might hard to cover up.

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For old people they swung those pipes very well, wouldn't you say?
Yes...they did!  LOL!  Better than I could have.  

I have no idea what happened...none of my affair.  I plain don't know, neither does anyone else, all propaganda ya know.

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This is akin to having ninja SWAT raid your home while you're asleep, shooting your two dogs, knocking your wife's teeth out, shooting your grandma, beating the crap out of you after tazing you...when they came to the wrong house .....  geez. 

If they would have been home asleep in their homes instead of in a boat at night time off another countries shore line during these dangerous times, they would have been just fine.
Maybe their next big excursion in the name of humanity will be going to Africa in the middle of the night...real smart.
 


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« Reply #45 on: June 02, 2010, 01:08:22 PM »
  after viewing the video, it is plain to see that they did not go in guns blazing.   if they had, not one person would have gotten a lick in on them.  they went in soft, and got what they deserved for being weak.   i am glad to see that they recognized the error of their ways after a few whacks with a club.  i would have started shooting much, much sooner. 

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« Reply #46 on: June 02, 2010, 02:20:24 PM »
  after viewing the video, it is plain to see that they did not go in guns blazing.   if they had, not one person would have gotten a lick in on them.  they went in soft, and got what they deserved for being weak.   i am glad to see that they recognized the error of their ways after a few whacks with a club.  i would have started shooting much, much sooner. 

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« Reply #47 on: June 02, 2010, 02:41:15 PM »
that is what i meant by "going in soft".    i almost cant believe they did that.  stupid, stupid, stupid.  

   another thing i learned from watching that video, those israelis that fast roped onto the ship were far from elite troops.  i can tell by the way they fast roped.   those boys were novices at best. 

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« Reply #48 on: June 02, 2010, 04:37:14 PM »
TM must go by the philosophy that if you repeat a lie enough it becomes the truth. No sniping, no strafing, only a bording party armed with non lethal weapons as a primary weapon and being forced to resort to their backup sidearms when a violent mob attacked them. So was it Hitler or Stalin who went by the repeat a lie saying?

Well the violent animals got the reaction they wanted from the antisemites. Look who we have here who is crying foul at GBO, so predictable.
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« Reply #49 on: June 02, 2010, 05:18:46 PM »
What part of sniper shooting the captain, strafing the ship before fast landing in the dark, and EXECUTING passengers from a hit list do you guys not get??...Was ita mememrial earlier in the day for USS Liberty that started the Israelis foaming from the mouth, or just their nature/heritage..?? Your videos are propganda.  The people on these ships were comprised of older persons form 20 or more countries sailing on the high seas on a humantarian mission and no Christian would ever ever deny humantarian aid to people in need...ever!....Had they been properly armed to defend themselves from the surprise nighttime ninja attack they could have perhaps been able to take out a dozen or more IDF terrorist attackers. Sorry,,,for Israel;;; it needs to foment terrorism in order to continuely expand just as they are in Iracq and Afghanistan using USA proxies to do the same for them. Israel thrives on genocide...slow and fast, and so-called American christians enable this crap. I have never seen any article from moslems wishing the extermination of all jews...that would be quite a task if one considers lumping in 220 million USA 2nd tier jews known as judaeo-christians. They have however prayed for the end of zionism once and for all and an end of the theft of their land, infiltration of their politic and organizations; and an honoring of the promise of a Palestinian state as detailed in the Balfour Agreement.

The Irish ship 'Rachel Corrie" is on the way to continue the aid mission. Rachel Corrie is the Joan D' Arc of of our time....will they torpedo the "Rachel Corrie" next..?


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Jimster thats all propaganda...historically revisionist and just plain incorrect information by zionist for zionist.



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   This all could heve been avoided, had they stopped for inspection..Surely they don't need war goods, since when they got Gaza gifted back to them..it was upon their promise of "peace"..
  For beerbelly to say the Israelis are expansionist, is pure, unadulteradted folly ! The lie is put to that idea when one simply recalls that Israel once had posession of the Gaza strip AND the Sinai, and they handed them back. One can estimate the value of the various groups by looking at their industriousness and creativity.
   One side took a wasteland and made it a place of "milk & honey", has been among the world's leaders in sxcience, medicine and technology.
  The other side exists among rubble, continually fighting..if not with Israel, then with each other. I am trying to think of one worthwhile invention, scientific breakthrough or technical advance that other side has produced in the last 30 years. Even when they are gifted a reasonably good neighborhood such as Gaza, they almost immediately set about reducing it to rubble.

  TM and Beerbelly both bemoan an incident of 40 odd years ago, which may well have been a "friendly fire" incident...but continue to ignore the 3,000 murdered in the WTC, the 283 Marines murdered in 1983 in Lebanon and the 14,000 odd death dealing Islamic terrorist incidents worldwide since 2001, each of them DELIBERATE MURDER !
   You two guys are great at ignoring "the elephant in the room"..

  Just this evening, Dick Morris "got  it right" when he said we can go over past history, debate the minute issues, whine about the politics and slaver about the refugee problem...but there is one undeniable fact.." If the Arabs got rid of their weapons, there would be no war; If Israelis got rid of their weapons..there would be no Israel" !

  Nobody with any logical thought processes can ignore that "elephant in the room"...
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« Reply #50 on: June 02, 2010, 05:33:38 PM »
The shooting only started after two soldiers were stabbed and beaten down, stripped of their sidearms, which were then used to shoot other soldiers boarding the ship.   Iraelies then returned fire to quell the disorder on board.
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« Reply #51 on: June 02, 2010, 05:36:02 PM »
In Vietnam the sinking Russian and Chinese ships bringing in weapons were off limits. Look where that got us.
I love these people (like the NY Times) who champion the good things Hamas has done. Seems Hamas number one goal is the distruction and anihilation of every jew in Israel.

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« Reply #52 on: June 02, 2010, 08:01:49 PM »
that is what i meant by "going in soft".    i almost cant believe they did that.  stupid, stupid, stupid.  

   another thing i learned from watching that video, those israelis that fast roped onto the ship were far from elite troops.  i can tell by the way they fast roped.   those boys were novices at best. 

 The IDF is highly trained in Krav Maga, one of the most brutal forms of hand to hand combat taught to soldiers in the world. These guys were not trained very well at hand to hand. Sure they were outnumbered and being attacked by weapons. But beyond basic parries I didn't see them doing much but getting beat on. Even rudimentary self preservation would usually make one think, blocking the pipe with my arm hurts, let's try to get a pipe to block with. One of the lowest levels of training taught to a team is to stack up where at least your guys are beside and behind you so you are facing enemies from fewer directions. These guys broke off into singles and were pummeled. It's easy to sit on the sideline and critique, but Israel's best are much better than the guys in the video. They would put most if not all of American SWAT teams to shame. I have no doubt they would be on par with our special forces guys.

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« Reply #53 on: June 03, 2010, 01:13:54 AM »
In Vietnam the sinking Russian and Chinese ships bringing in weapons were off limits. Look where that got us.
I love these people (like the NY Times) who champion the good things Hamas has done. Seems Hamas number one goal is the distruction and anihilation of every jew in Israel.

  Imarty;
   And we should add the destruction of the USA after Israel. In fact they started after us even before dealing effectively with Israel ! anyone who cannot see that is willingly blind.

RB1235;
  It is obvious this was a simple "inspection team" and not expecting trouble. There are more "relief" ships on the way and you can just bet there will likely be a higher level inspection team. Let's face it, there was one side armed and prepared to fight while the other side walked into an ambush...won't happen again !
  Yes; Israel has some troops just as well trained as our best and since I know personally, some current Special Forces troops, including my grandson & associates (Marine SF) and a young friend in the First Ranger Battalion and have seen a demonstration of their skills, I'll tell you this.. Unless the antagonists are remarkable specimens, should they approach most any of these US elite troops swinging a pipe, chain or knife..they will likely soon find themselves either dead or very broken.
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« Reply #54 on: June 03, 2010, 01:18:46 AM »
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by beerbelly:  After the attacked the USS Liberty I have had no use for the murdering Basta---!

In real life situations, war is not black and white.   Ever hear of U.S.A. troops having to kill their own buddies to keep from losing the battle?   Ever hear of American troops calling in air-strikes and cannon fire on themselves?   Ever hear of American pilots bombing their own boys?  Ever hear of Americans not identifying themselves in time to save their lives, engaging in fire-fights among themselves?  After seeing such things would you dis-own America too?

In the heat of battle men make huge mistakes.  Not all the guys on your team are John Wayne or Audy Murphy.   Some ignorantly give away vital information.  Some refuse to fight and throw down their weapons when you most need their help.  Morale goes down quick in situations like that, and someone has to make a  the ugly decision to save his team.  That's the Real World we live in.
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« Reply #55 on: June 03, 2010, 02:03:35 AM »
They assaulted a ship in international waters! Do they own the world? They are terrorist just as surly as the rag heads are!  They knew who the were killing when they hit The USS Liberty!
    If they do start another war , our rag head President just may not share all that satellite  intelligence with them as the past presidents did. That is what allow them to win.
     With out it they likely would get their butts kicked!
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« Reply #56 on: June 03, 2010, 03:21:52 AM »
TM this will go away just like all of the silly attention getting tactics of these terrorist animals. It will be shown for what it is, a group of terrorists trying to get sympathy, and what is funny is the antisemites fall for it every time. Luckily the only ones fooled by this is the hate blinded antisemites.

I myself  would have had no issue with them sinking the ship. There was no strafing and no sniping.  ::) Only you dude!
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« Reply #57 on: June 03, 2010, 04:02:02 AM »
I guess you would then be for them sinking that terrorist ship the USS Liberty, when they attacked it and murdered US sailors!
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« Reply #58 on: June 03, 2010, 04:03:48 AM »
I wasn't alive then Beerbelly. And friendly fire does happen, sad but true. Get over it your antisemetic hate mongering is blinding you to reality.
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« Reply #59 on: June 03, 2010, 04:23:28 AM »
billy;     there are only two ways to quench the firey burning of hate.  1st is the blood of Jesus Christ, which must be accepted voluntarily.  A difficult struggle for many .   or 2nd is the alternative consuming fire that destroys both body and soul, leaving smoldering ashes of the physical elements and a soul lost in the darkness of torment.
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