19+ killed by IDF Commando Raid on Relief Ships

[splicer]

 The liberty was no accident, one of the pilots reconized the ship for what it was,he refused to attack.He was ordered to return to base where he was promply arrested. Another overheard the conversation from the " war room".He said they were aware that it was an american ship.  Google uss liberty cover up

[myronman3]

sorry tm7, that was a "b" team, or maybe even a "k" team by the looks of it.  that video shows all that needs to be shown.    if a team had been sent in to kill, the entire team would have been on that deck within seconds.  instead, one guy every five seconds.   no way in hell those were highly trained people. 

[ms]

billy;     there are only two ways to quench the firey burning of hate.  1st is the blood of Jesus Christ, which must be accepted voluntarily.  A difficult struggle for many .   or 2nd is the alternative consuming fire that destroys both body and soul, leaving smoldering ashes of the physical elements and a soul lost in the darkness of torment.

So beerbelly tells the truth and he's a hater. 

[ironglow]

They assaulted a ship in international waters! Do they own the world? They are terrorist just as surly as the rag heads are!  They knew who the were killing when they hit The USS Liberty!
    If they do start another war , our rag head President just may not share all that satellite  intelligence with them as the past presidents did. That is what allow them to win.
     With out it they likely would get their butts kicked!
                              Beerbelly

  BB;
  You STILL don't get it..Israel has a much greater ally than any liberal/progressive, Rev Wright follower, prez..

   ...Besides, the Liberty attack is debatable..but there is no doubt who the worldwide attackers/terrorists are for the last 30 years !
  We haven't heard near as much condemnation for the 15,381 attacks by Muslims of the last 8 years as we hear about one, possibly friendly fire attack of 40+ years ago...wonder why ?  
   http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks

[gstewart44]

In Vietnam the sinking Russian and Chinese ships bringing in weapons were off limits. Look where that got us.
I love these people (like the NY Times) who champion the good things Hamas has done. Seems Hamas number one goal is the distruction and anihilation of every jew in Israel.

It is in their charter  - calling for the total destruction of Israel.......

[gstewart44]

They assaulted a ship in international waters! Do they own the world? They are terrorist just as surly as the rag heads are!  They knew who the were killing when they hit The USS Liberty!
    If they do start another war , our rag head President just may not share all that satellite  intelligence with them as the past presidents did. That is what allow them to win.
     With out it they likely would get their butts kicked!
                              Beerbelly

Beerbelly - you believe the attack on the Liberty was premeditated and clear cut.   that assumption is debatable but whether it is a fact or not it is recorded that once the attack occurred the Liberty radioed an SOS to the 6th Fleet in the area and aircraft were sent out immediately.   The 6th Fleet notified Washington DC of the events that were happening, and Robert MacNamara had the aircraft recalled.    So it seems to me that whether the attack was intentional or mistaken identity the US had the means to quickly end the attack and did not because of a bureaucrat.   

[beerbelly]

The evidence is clear, it was a premeditated attack. My understanding is it was LBJ that called back the fighters. Another time the Israelis spooks were planting a bomb to kill someone on their hit list and had faked it up to look like the CIA had done it. But the CIA was a step ahead of them and stopped the whole thing. Yeah, those guy's are really great allies.
                                           Beerbelly

[Avyctes]

They are using these people to bring worldwide hatred for the Jews in order to exterminate every last Jew on earth.

You know, when I read that it was like seeing an epiphany in print. 

That really does make a lot of sense.  I've wondered for years and years why in the heck Turkey or Iran or some such didn't tell the Palestinians 'Send us your poor, your destitute, your lame from all those freaking Israeli missiles, and we'll carve out a niche for you in our homeland.  Our home will be your home!'.

Pah!

They don't give a frakkity dak about the doggone Palestinians!  They're using this to gird up for war.

Oh well, doomed to happen eventually, if you read your Bible.  I wonder sometimes if it might be in our lifetimes after all.  Things look mighty bleak at times, global politically speaking.

[gstewart44]

The evidence is clear, it was a premeditated attack. My understanding is it was LBJ that called back the fighters. Another time the Israelis spooks were planting a bomb to kill someone on their hit list and had faked it up to look like the CIA had done it. But the CIA was a step ahead of them and stopped the whole thing. Yeah, those guy's are really great allies.
                                           Beerbelly

  6th Fleet Rear Admiral Geis said that three times aircraft were sent out to relieve the Liberty.   The first two sorties were recalled by MacNamara, and the third was recalled by Johnson.   Again my point is that we had the means to stop the attack, prior to the launching of the torpedoes that did the bulk of the damage.....we had fighter aircraft inbound! and yet our own Defense Secretary and President allowed the attack to go on!

[beerbelly]

The fact that LBJ was in the Israeli’s pocket in no way excuses the murder of the US sailors they committed!
                                                 Beerbelly

[wreckhog]

The evidence is clear, it was a premeditated attack. My understanding is it was LBJ that called back the fighters. Another time the Israelis spooks were planting a bomb to kill someone on their hit list and had faked it up to look like the CIA had done it. But the CIA was a step ahead of them and stopped the whole thing. Yeah, those guy's are really great allies.
                                           Beerbelly

And they did it again!

American Citizen Among Those Killed in Gaza Flotilla Raid

Published June 03, 2010


A State Department official says one of the nine people killed when Israeli commandos raided a Gaza-bound flotilla of pro-Palestinian activists on Monday was a 19-year-old man with dual U.S.-Turkish citizenship.

The official identified the victim as Furkan Dogan, who was believed to have been residing in Turkey.

The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the matter has not been officially confirmed by the U.S. government.

The official said the victim had been shot but it was not clear who shot him. He was among eight of the dead being mourned at a funeral in Istanbul Thursday.

More exact circumstances of the activists' deaths are expected to be made clear in a ballistics examination that will take about a month to complete, Anatolia news agency reported Thursday.

An official from the Turkish Islamic charity that spearheaded the campaign to bust the blockade on Gaza identified the U.S. citizen as 19-year-old Furkan Dogan, originally from the central Turkish town of Kayseri.

Dogan, who held a U.S. passport, had four bullet wounds to the head and one to the chest, Omer Yagmur of the Foundation of Humanitarian Relief (IHH), told Anatolia.

The nine victims were all aboard the Turkish ferry, Mavi Marmara, the lead ship of the aid flotilla, where most of the violence occurred in Monday's pre-dawn raid by Israeli forces.

[m-g Willy]

SD...the israelis are lying..what else can they do..they didn't attack commandos...most of the activists were women and sixty year old men SLEEPING ...wake up!

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The iSRAELIS WERE NOT ATTACKED?
If you really believe that.
Then you have not seen the video.
My thoughts is that Israel should not have boarded the ships.
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They should have just sunk them and shot anything or anyone that came to the surface.
I only wish America would grow a set of balls like Israel has.

[wreckhog]

The shooting only started after two soldiers were stabbed and beaten down, stripped of their sidearms, which were then used to shoot other soldiers boarding the ship.   Iraelies then returned fire to quell the disorder on board.

So you are not a fan of the 2nd Amendment?

[wreckhog]

SD...the israelis are lying..what else can they do..they didn't attack commandos...most of the activists were women and sixty year old men SLEEPING ...wake up!

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The iSRAELIS WERE NOT ATTACKED?
If you really believe that.
Then you have not seen the video.
My thoughts is that Israel should not have boarded the ships.
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They should have just sunk them and shot anything or anyone that came to the surface.
I only wish America would grow a set of balls like Israel has.

Now I wonder if Israel sent a few draftees to die in order to manufacture an incident. It appears to have backfired.

[SHOOTALL]

Bet anyone thinking of pushing the IDF any now will think better of it . And that is the reaction the IDF wants !
Hey Ameriuca bombed Japan with some bad stuff, bet they ain't thinking Pearl Harbor 2 . That's how it works . If war ships come they may not go home . The IDF dosen't mix words or back down very often.

[ironglow]

 TM;
    That now dead character may have been what you call a "loyalty bigamist"  because he had a dual citizenship (USA/Turkey), but by your own suggestion..he should have chosen to whom he owes loyalty. the fact is, it very much appears he had already chosen his loyalty, since he was hob-nobbing with a group supporting Hamas, an organization recognized by our state department..as a TERRORIST organization.
 Let's not shed crocodile tears for him, since he chose his friends, just as other young Americans better than he (IMO), have chosen to offer loyalty to the USA and have paid a similar price.  He was old enough to know better than to consort with terrorists.

   We can rest assure, as these terrorist supporters from various nations bear down on Israel with intentions of running a reasonable blockade, they wil not this time be dealing with rear-eschelon troops.
     If they had any sense, they would not challenge Israel. Of course, the Israelis will have to be cautious because they may be dealing with some potential stupidcide bombers.

[Graybeard]

I'm not going to pretend to understand the how or why of the current incident. I'd bet tho we've not yet heard the REAL story of it from either side. We might or might not ever. I sure don't believe we've yet heard the the real story of 9-11 and don't believe we ever will.

Unlike some here I do believe that Israel is in a fight for their very existence as a country and as one of the oldest religions of the world. To say the muzlims are peaceful and that their ultimate goal is not the extermination of all non muzlims world wide is sheer idiocy.

6th Fleet Rear Admiral Geis said that three times aircraft were sent out to relieve the Liberty.   The first two sorties were recalled by MacNamara, and the third was recalled by Johnson.   Again my point is that we had the means to stop the attack, prior to the launching of the torpedoes that did the bulk of the damage.....we had fighter aircraft inbound! and yet our own Defense Secretary and President allowed the attack to go on!

I'm sure some here have spent more time studying this event than I have but my thoughts on it from what I've read is that either:

A. It was a US planned attack carried out by Israel at our request with the sinking of the ship as the goal and likely the loss of all on board as well. The thought here is that it was to be a false flag attack for some ulterior motive only those in DC would understand. I think 9-11 was as well. or

B. It was a honest mistake on the part of the Israeli forces and that after communication with DC it was allowed to continue.

I kinda don't much buy into B. and think A. a far more plausible explanation.

Sure I suppose there is a C. that could be that it was a one sided attack on us knowingly and without any US involvement by the DC crowd but that to me is too far fetched to accept. We could have prevented most of the damage and intentionally did not. So to me that means for whatever reason the folks in DC wanted it to happen and either asked Israel to do it or planned it jointly with them for reasons we'll never know.

I think the events going on around the world at this time are leading up to the inevitable clash between good and evil and regardless of which side of the issue you are on (good or evil) I think parties on both sides are moving toward that final battle at a rapid pace. Personally I'm ready for it and hope it comes soon. I'm ready to see Jesus return and for this mess we call life on earth to end. I don't fear it at all and what follows has to be better than what's going on now.

[searlock]

i am with you on this one GB. these Christless jews will get theirs in the end time, and they will take a lot of Christless supporters with them.

[ms]

Where is pm on this subject?

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TM7 

[FourBee]

ship attacked on the high seas by isreali

Of course.  That's the whole purpose of a maritime blockade to prevent ships from entering protected waters.  Just as you put a lock on the front door of your house to keep people from entering.  Whatever............

[Sourdough]

1.  Ships were not relief ships, they were blockade runners.  You do that knowing you will be attacked if seen, and boarded.  In other words you are asking for trouble.
2.  All on board knew what they were doing.  They were placing their lives on the line, some wanting to become marters.
3.  The supposidly American, was born in Turkey, raised in Turkey, lived in Turkey.  He was a Turk, carrying an American Passport don't make him an American.

[SHOOTALL]

Even if he was American he wasn't a smart one

[ironglow]

i am with you on this one GB. these Christless jews will get theirs in the end time, and they will take a lot of Christless supporters with them.

       Are followers of a pedophile better ?  Of course, anyone here is free to choose whichever of the 2 sides they feel more Aligned with.

[FourBee]

they were in international waters

Of course they were.   Where else would you stage a blockade?, in their backyard swimming pool?

[Hooker]

I can't believe how many folks are bent out of shape over this.
The Israelis put up a blockade a said don't go here, and bunch of idiots went there anyway.
Now some of the idiots are dead and the rest of world is pitching a fit over how they were killed.
It makes no difference how they killed their deaths were all suicides caused by their own stupidity.
The real reason so many are upset is the fact that Israel has something they will never have.
The resolve to carry through regardless of what everyone else thinks.
Israels only mistake was that they should have deep sixed that ship with all aboard.

Pat

[ironglow]

..And isn't it interesting howso many from various addresses are loudly whining over a batch of terrorist sympathizers..never even said a word about North Korea torpedoing a South Korean ship, murdering 46 sailors. ..And you guys who whine over 40 years after the fact about a dispuited attack on USS Liberty..haven't heard a word of disgust over the North Korean killing spree...
 
  Man; I haven't heard such whining since Freddie Scissorhands had jock itch !

      I'm guessing I know the reason there is no condemnation of North Korea...Do you remember the "Axis of Evil" ?

[Hooker]

Well Hooker..it just could be there are still numerous human beings left on the globe that have the conscience and values to address injustice and suffering when it becomes too much.  These kinds of minds are called humanitarians, actually practicing much of the teachings from the Sermon on the Mount....what an abyss an cess pool this old planet would be with out folks trying to actually help others in distress.
The israelis simplely over reacted as they often do.


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Where is your noble conscience and values when Israel's enemies are killing them?
If you aid someones enemies you are their enemy.
Just where in the teachings of Jesus did he say to, lift up evil men so that they may proliferate and continue in their evil ways?
I guess you would prefer that Israel under react that way they would soon be destroyed by their enemies. But tell me whom would you have to despise then?

Pat

[FourBee]

thier actions on this international humanitarium aid flotilla.

Once a ship of any flag makes an attempt to RUN a maritime blockade, they automatically assert themselves suspect to be the agressor and will immediately come under attack.  nuff said. 

[P.A. Myers]

That attack on the USS Liberty never did add up. I have read several accounts and the whole situation makes no sense. The fog of war? I wonder.

My understanding of a naval blockade is:  run blockade=get sunk. Right or wrong, the Hamas ships were lucky they were not
torpedoed.

This is not going to end until the seventh seal is broken. Rapture anyone?