Ok folks, Obama has been in office about 18 mo., what new gun bans?

[guzzijohn]

Just for fun I went back on this board to around and after the election and read all the dire comments about all the restrictive gun laws and gun grabs that would take place "within months" of the election. So, tell me about the new restrictive laws and gun grabs that have taken place so far.
GuzziJohn

[Dee]

Just for fun, gives some examples of these "dire comments" you speak of, so we can put it ALL into perspective.

[kitchawan kid]

How about the "small arms treaty" our secretary of state is pushing at the UN.?

[guzzijohn]

Quote from Dee:

Just for fun, gives some examples of these "dire comments" you speak of, so we can put it ALL into perspective.

Here you go. Dee, to your credit in many of those threads you were one of the few voices of reason.
GuzziJohn

Redhawk 1
And this is what I heard.
Apparently Obama announced he was going to implement the Clinton gun ban as soon as he gets in office. I didn't hear it but one of my guys said it was on the news this morning. I hope all the gun guys that voted for him heard that. I have had at least 4 or 5 of these guys that are big gun owners (and who voted for Obama) tell me he said he wouldn't do anything against the 2nd amendment and he wasn't going to put any new gun bills out, just enforce the old ones. Well, guess what, he lied.

Superhornet
Here is how the gun issue will turn out if Obama becomes the President, and the House and Senate remain firmly in Democrat control.  Within one year a bill will be sponsered by Barbara Box/Diana Feinstein to take all guns out of private citizen control and destroy them.  Both of them have said in the past, if they could get the votes, Goodbye guns in American hands....They will have the votes.

Ellijah Gunn
Well, maybe he wont try a direct assault on the 2nd, but my guess is that there will be heavy new taxes involved in all aspects of firearms ownership. The power to tax is the power to kill.

Billy-56801
If you are silly enough to believe that the @nd amendment will be safe under Barrak Hussien Obama, you might consider sending you chidren to daycare with a sex offender.

Ironglow
A notice from the NRA in our september American Hunter magazine.
   
    Between pages 60 & 61, we find a tearout with 4 reminder cards tro hand out to other hunters & shooters.
 
   It shows Barack Obama's 10 point plan to "CHANGE" the second amendment..

  1) Ban the use of firearms for home defense.

  2) Pass FEDERAL laws eliminating your Right-to-Carry.

  3) Ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns.

  4) Close down 90% of the gun shops in America.

  5) Ban rifle ammuinition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.

  6) Increase federal taxes on guns and ammunition by 500 percent.

  7) Restore voting rights for five million criminals including those who
   have been convicted of using a gun to commit a crime.

   Expand the Clinton semi-auto ban to include many more firearms.

  9) Mandate a government-issued license to purchase a firearm.

  10) Appoint judges to the Supreme Court and federal judiciary who
   share his views on the second amendment.



     Read and think..if you think they are wrong..take it up with the NRA..they said it, I just reprinted it !
   (although I don't disagree with it)

bilmac
He will take your guns and leave you defenceless.  Remember this time around we have a liberal congress and a Supreme Coart teetering on the edge. Lord help us.

Longtom
I see the ammo id code maybe making it along with bring back the assault weapons ban, the high mag capacity ban, more restrictions on buying a handgun, a higher tax on both guns and ammo, an increase for doing a back ground check and I am sure

[Dee]

Well, I really didn't think you would accommodate me guzzijohn, but you did. I see these examples just as I did at the time they were made. I see them as SPECULATION, and the speculation continues. The probable difference you saw in my response on issues in comparison to theirs is: I don't have any faith in ANY of the folks in D.C. Democrat OR Republican.
I look at the damage McCain had, and continues to do by voting 72% of the time AGAINST the 2nd Amendment, for 30+ years, and his teaming up with Russ Feingold to create the McCain-Feingold Act FAR WORSE, than what Obama MIGHT DO. Presidential Candidate John McCain had already proven beyond a shadow of a doubt he was anti-Constitution, and anti-Bill of Rights, yet the so called Conservative voter, flocked to him in spite of his record, out of fear of what Obama MIGHT do.
Obama had almost a non-existent voting record and all was PURE SPECULATION.
NOW! With that said, I don't doubt much of the speculation on Obama, and I believe he will do much more damage than he has already done, but I would also attribute things like, the ammo shortages earlier in the year as panic buying because of what MIGHT happen, but has not yet happened.
I still see a lot of comparing Obama to Bush with Bush coming out far better than he deserves. He is responsible for escalating a war, that should have never been started in the first place in Iraq, and putting boots on the ground when bombs would have sufficed in Afghanistan and this is on Bush, as far as I'm concerned. I believe the U.S. will eventually learn what Alexander the Great, England, and the late great Soviet Union all learned the hard way. And that is, that the Afghan war will prove to be perpetual.
I don't believe that many that CLAIM to be Conservative are actually conservative. If they were, they would not vote the way they do. Now there is also no doubt in my mind that some will attempt to berate me for my stance, but they will have the understand, that I truly could care less of what they think concerning my politics. It is my belief, that we are on the "road to perdition" because of their voting habits, so if they resent my stance, the feeling is already mutual. I resent my rights being traded away a few at a time.

[Dixie Dude]

Obama is working for bigger things right now.
1) Government take-over of health care, not all at once, but eventually.  20% of total US economy.
2) Government take-over of the media, especially internet and talk radio to limit our conservative free speech. 
3) Make the US weak to force us to adapt UN resolutions, especially gun control, taxes, and soverignty of nations.  UN becomes stronger, US becomes weaker.
4) Notice ammo, primers, bullets and brass are still in short supply. 

It will be slow, but it will be tried at some point.  They are just waiting for the next mass murder or something. 

[Buckskin]

The Donkey's put out a couple test balloons after he was elected and realized that even though they had the numbers, they didn't have the votes to put any meaningful restrictions on guns, so they are counting on the courts to do that for them.  Obama has been to busy spending and driving out country into bankrupt and moving us toward socialism to work on the guns for the time being. He is hoping for one or 2 more supreme court appointees and he will be all set for his anti-2nd agenda.

I wouldn't gloat to much just because nothing has happened yet.  I'm sure the English figured they would be fox hunting forever also...

[guzzijohn]

No doubt I am in the minority on this board. I should have printed some examples without Dee's request as I usually try to show something to back my comments. Obama has some possible agendas that concern me too, however I think that this country needed something to happen to really shake it up, the election of Obama has done that. The status quo had sucked for quite awhile which is what opened the door for Obama. IMHO I feel that many on this board get little information other than from Beck, Rush, Savage and the like. In many cases I feel that these commentators (and yes I have listened to them at length) spin part truths just as much as any common politician so I feel the need to comment from time to time from another point of view. It also concerns me how much emphasis is placed on his race and supposed religion instead of granting him at least some support (until the next election if you want him out) as our president. The Chicken Littles on this board do not do anything to actually help in any way. Ok, back to the flaming!
GuzziJohn

[subdjoe]

Given his anti-civil rights voting record in the IL legislature, and as the junior senator from IL, his call for "reasonable gun legislation," his stated opinion that no one outside of the military or police needs, or should own, semi-automatic firearms, the concern was reasonable at the time. 

His "I support the Second Amendment, BUT..." is the same sort of fecal matter we hear from the likes of Schumer, Lautenberg, Feinstein, et. alia when talking about more restrictive laws. 

[kennyd]

Wait until after the midterms.  If things go his way look for more "small cuts".  If things go the other, look for an executive order as a last "up yours"/.

[jimster]

Could someone please tell me the purpose of this thread???  Ok folks, Obama has been in office about 18 mo., what new gun bans?

Everyone already knows the president is anti gun, it's on record of course, anti American probably covers it all though.
 

IMHO I feel that many on this board get little information other than from Beck, Rush, Savage and the like.

You can get all the information you need if you would just read all the legislation they actually passed into law, ya, takes a lot of time, that's why very few do that. The statement above sounds like a cover of some sort....I smell something. I usually trust my nose, but I admit I am getting to be an old dog.

Obama has some possible agendas that concern me too, however I think that this country needed something to happen to really shake it up, the election of Obama has done that.

Yep....it sure did shake things up alright...13-14 trillion in debt for no apparent reason should shake us up, because it's mathematically impossible to pay off that debt.  And ya all know, math is final, not arguable.

It also concerns me how much emphasis is placed on his race and supposed religion instead of granting him at least some support (until the next election if you want him out) as our president.

 

Now I smell something....old dog nose and all. It stinks to high heaven too.  

You support him for me will ya?  Nothing to do with race...but thanks for BRINGING IT UP...

 

[billy_56081]

Like all socialists, it is death by 1000 cuts. BO has not made a move yet because his socialist agenda is progressing slower than he planned. I will stick to my original statement and John you need to take your children or grandchildren to a sex offender for daycare. I have a feeling that all but the mentally incompetent have seen through BO's plans.

[LONGTOM]

He ain't out of office yet!
Some of the stuff I stated that might happen is still being considered.
They have just been pushed back a ways.
There's still plenty of time for him to make his move.
Anyone who believes otherwise is making a big mistake!



LONGTOM

[LabRat2k3]

No, there have been no frontal attackes to your rights, that would be political suicide and as thick headed as some of our elected officals are even they can see that. However, there is more than one way to skin a cat as the old saying goes. Do you remember the DC vs Heller case from a couple of years ago that everyone touted as a huge victory for gun rights? The scary thing about that case was 4 out of 9 supreme court justices voted that the second amendment DOES NOT protect an individuals right to own firearms. Since that time our fearless leader has appointed another anti-gun justice, and will shortly send another anti to the supreme court, and very well may get to name another before his term is complete thereby changing the balance of anti-gun justices in the supreme court. Which would be the wisest way to make a long lasting impact on gun rights in this country; make an executive order that bans certin types of guns, that can be overturned by the next president, or determined to be unconstitutional by the supreme court, try to get your buddies in congress to cut their own throats again by voting in a new ban, or appoint justices that never have to worry about re-election who can rule that the second amendment is not an individual right and therefore you have no right to own any gun? If you think that moves have not been made to infringe upon your gun rights you are not paying attention, which is the way Obama wants it. If BO lets the courts do his dirty work he can look on and say to every one "my hands are clean, I passed no laws against gun rights". Remember it is not always the head on attack that gets you sometimes your enemy will take an indirect approach and hit your flank while you are not looking.

[teamnelson]

guzzijohn, you started this seeking flames by your own admission so good luck trying to actually persuade anyone. It's also an ad hominem/red herring to automatically accuse your opposition of ignorance (getting all their information from a select few sources), as if by contrast you are much more broadly informed and unlike them, have the capacity to think for yourself. The fallacy in that logic is that the ability to think rationally is not exclusive to one side.

Besides you're talking checkers ... we're talking chess. He's still setting up his pawns, eroding liberty here, expanding government there. He's even got a lot of conservatives so spun up (here and elsewhere) that they can't tell a friend from a foe - their emotions have outstripped their intellect. That's called getting inside your enemy's loop, and he's managed to do that for quite a few folks (here and elsewhere). Which is exactly what you do in the opening moves of a good match. Then once all the board is lined up, you begin to take out your enemy's fortification - again, they're so shaken up and fire breathing mad they don't see it coming. A few moves later and we've nationalized the banks, instituted mandatory service to payback student loans (read the HC bill) ... by the time you're done there's no need to ban guns. You've outlawed every possible means of operation and storage (read the history of the UK/EU). Yes, there are many of us that are very well read, very well educated (read the demographics of the Tea party for example - much more education, income & diversity than the Democratic party) and are rational enough thinkers to realize that its not even a matter of him not getting around to it yet. He's working at it hard, but in a manner that is far more complex and long lasting. Personally I don't think he's smart enough to come up with it on his own; he's executing someone else's very well thought out script.

[gypsyman]

Evidently guzzijohn, you haven't heard of the U.N. Our comic-in-chief, is using a backdoor approuch. He's got Hilary kissing up to the U.N. on ''small arms treaty'' talks. Read that she has signed on. Bloomberg has been making waves in the gun control area. Barry doesn't have to say anything. He's got some of his flying monkeys zooming around to do his dirty work. gypsyman

[magooch]

Guzzi is only suggesting that we put our full faith and confidence in Osama.  I'm doing just the opposite.  I guess that makes me a hard-headed skeptic.  I'm good with that. 

I do listen to Rush, but I don't take his advice about gun-matters.  I really can't recall him having much if anything to say about the topic.  One has to wonder who has John's ear.

[Buckskin]

It also concerns me how much emphasis is placed on his race and supposed religion instead of granting him at least some support (until the next election if you want him out) as our president. The Chicken Littles on this board do not do anything to actually help in any way. Ok, back to the flaming!
GuzziJohn

The only way race comes into play is if you lefties bring it up as the only defense you have for your point.  Can't win an argument, call everyone against you a racist...  That in your mind somehow makes you the enlightened one.  The only reason he won is because of race, the reason he will lose in 12 is because he is the worst president this country has ever seen. 

I don't know why I was even suckered into responding to your idiotic post anyway.  Your just here to antagonize while you still have the chance because in a couple months BHO will be essentially a lame duck.  Which I think he will be fine with, then he can stop blaming Bush for everything and can blame congress for the Countries and his failures.  And he will still be able to strut around (although he won't have many feathers left), flying in the big jet making meaningless speaches.

[Dee]

No, there have been no frontal attackes to your rights, that would be political suicide and as thick headed as some of our elected officals are even they can see that.

Not a true statement as all. John McCain has voted ANTI 2ND AMENDMENT 72+% of the time for over 30 years, and tried to quash the 1st Amendment, and helped auther the McCain-Fiengold Act. Wasn't political sucide for him at all. Many of you guys wanted him to be President.

 However, there is more than one way to skin a cat as the old saying goes. Do you remember the DC vs Heller case from a couple of years ago that everyone touted as a huge victory for gun rights? The scary thing about that case was 4 out of 9 supreme court justices voted that the second amendment DOES NOT protect an individuals right to own firearms. Since that time our fearless leader has appointed another anti-gun justice, and will shortly send another anti to the supreme court, and very well may get to name another before his term is complete thereby changing the balance of anti-gun justices in the supreme court.

George Bush tried to get the Congress to draw bill up making the Clinton Assault Weapons Ban PERMANENT! He also rammed the Patriot Act down everyone's throat, and then tried unsuccessfully to make it permanent. He was elected TWICE! By so called conservatives. He broke me for all time, with this lessor of BS.

 Which would be the wisest way to make a long lasting impact on gun rights in this country; make an executive order that bans certin types of guns, that can be overturned by the next president, or determined to be unconstitutional by the supreme court, try to get your buddies in congress to cut their own throats again by voting in a new ban, or appoint justices that never have to worry about re-election who can rule that the second amendment is not an individual right and therefore you have no right to own any gun?

Six of one, and half a dozen of the other. Democrat? Republican? Two sides. Same coin.

If you think that moves have not been made to infringe upon your gun rights you are not paying attention, which is the way Obama wants it. If BO lets the courts do his dirty work he can look on and say to every one "my hands are clean, I passed no laws against gun rights". Remember it is not always the head on attack that gets you sometimes your enemy will take an indirect approach and hit your flank while you are not looking.

If you think that Obama is the only booger man, and the the Democrats are the only accomplices you ain't payin attention. How quickly we forget. Most here, are gonna vote Republican AGAIN, and ain't nothin gonna change. Bush came in, and tried to STRENGTHEN Clinton's assault on the 2nd Amendment, and so will the next Republican.

[Dixie Dude]

A lot depends on who the person is.  What they have done in other public offices, and what they do in real life.  Do they hunt, fish, or do they golf, play basketball, or sail.   

[RB1235]

 On gun control it depends if you are an optimist or pessimist. Thankfully he has been to busy with other agendas. He still has 30 months to complete the goal.
As far as race is concerned. Many people who voted for him are racist towards blacks. How many of those white women who watch Oprah would want to go to Southside Chicago, Detroit or Compton at night? Oh wait a minute,,,,,,,,,, he is racist towards whites. So we can all act like there is no such thing as racism in America since our president sat in a racist church for years but never left until media scrutiny forced him out. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. The housewife can say she is not racist because she voted for him. Blacks can say they are not racist because they are black. Yep, everything is hunky dory now. What I find the most comical with dems, is more often than not a white one throws in the race card. It must be similar to our racist president not being racist. And the racist housewife not being racist.

[subdjoe]

Since that time our fearless leader has appointed another anti-gun justice, and will shortly send another anti to the supreme court, and very well may get to name another before his term is complete thereby changing the balance of anti-gun justices in the supreme court.

Are any of the conservatives on the Court likely to resign before 2013?  If not, all the former jr. sen. from IL is doing in maintaning the status quo.  True, I would much rather he nominate a centrist or conservative, but, to give him his due, he is not changing the balance of the Court.

I do hope that what few conservatives there are in the Senate grow some and rake any future nominees over the coals.

[SHOOTALL]

Guys think for a second , speaker Nancy said they would not touch guns as the dumb-o-crats had been hurt so bad by passing the assult weapon joke . If you were them would you try anything before nov. 2010 ?
As far as Ms. Clinton and the UN as of now no bill exist , hasn't been written yet . Check for youself on the NRA site.

[Buckskin]

No, there have been no frontal attackes to your rights, that would be political suicide and as thick headed as some of our elected officals are even they can see that.

Not a true statement as all. John McCain has voted ANTI 2ND AMENDMENT 72+% of the time for over 30 years, and tried to quash the 1st Amendment, and helped auther the McCain-Fiengold Act. Wasn't political sucide for him at all. Many of you guys wanted him to be President.

 However, there is more than one way to skin a cat as the old saying goes. Do you remember the DC vs Heller case from a couple of years ago that everyone touted as a huge victory for gun rights? The scary thing about that case was 4 out of 9 supreme court justices voted that the second amendment DOES NOT protect an individuals right to own firearms. Since that time our fearless leader has appointed another anti-gun justice, and will shortly send another anti to the supreme court, and very well may get to name another before his term is complete thereby changing the balance of anti-gun justices in the supreme court.

George Bush tried to get the Congress to draw bill up making the Clinton Assault Weapons Ban PERMANENT! He also rammed the Patriot Act down everyone's throat, and then tried unsuccessfully to make it permanent. He was elected TWICE! By so called conservatives. He broke me for all time, with this lessor of BS.

 Which would be the wisest way to make a long lasting impact on gun rights in this country; make an executive order that bans certin types of guns, that can be overturned by the next president, or determined to be unconstitutional by the supreme court, try to get your buddies in congress to cut their own throats again by voting in a new ban, or appoint justices that never have to worry about re-election who can rule that the second amendment is not an individual right and therefore you have no right to own any gun?

Six of one, and half a dozen of the other. Democrat? Republican? Two sides. Same coin.

If you think that moves have not been made to infringe upon your gun rights you are not paying attention, which is the way Obama wants it. If BO lets the courts do his dirty work he can look on and say to every one "my hands are clean, I passed no laws against gun rights". Remember it is not always the head on attack that gets you sometimes your enemy will take an indirect approach and hit your flank while you are not looking.

If you think that Obama is the only booger man, and the the Democrats are the only accomplices you ain't payin attention. How quickly we forget. Most here, are gonna vote Republican AGAIN, and ain't nothin gonna change. Bush came in, and tried to STRENGTHEN Clinton's assault on the 2nd Amendment, and so will the next Republican.

So Dee, who are you going to vote for??? Ron Paul??  Might as well piss up a tree with that vote.  Or are you just going to sit on your vote and complain about everyone???

[Dee]

NOPE! I always vote. Every single election. BUT! Unlike guys like you, I research their voting records if they have one, and I don't vote runnin scared. Last election I voted for the Libertarian Presidential candidate, while you voted for scoundrel whether you voted Democrat OR Republican. YOUR candidate which was most likely McCain't has tried to be president TWICE, and the voting public didn't want him the first time, OR the second time. SO! It seems YOU were the one whizzin up the tree. You picked a tried and true LOSER, and HE LOST AGAIN! You wasted your vote! America didn't want him either time. They saw him both times for what he was. You obviously didn't so now your mad.
You seem ANGRY with the attitude of your remark toward me. Does the "TRUTH" that I typed concerning your favorite politicians ANGER you?

[splicer]

 Dee is right,the Bush dynasty did more to harm freedom than any other administraion in history.

[Buckskin]

I voted for that tired old Loser because he was the better of the two and would have done less damage to the Country.  You voted for someone who had a better chance of running to the moon than becoming president....  In hindsight I'm glad that he lost, he isn't what is needed for this Country and BHO is opening everyones eyes for the better.  We will weather this Bozo in the White House and heal as a Country.  And I'm not angry in the least by anything you say even IF IT'S IN CAP'S or BOLD.

My favorite politician you likely know nothing about because he's a republican not some whacko Libertarian. His name is Paul Ryan. You should open your mind and stop yelling at everyone through your keyboard...

[jimster]

Dee is right,the Bush dynasty did more to harm freedom than any other administraion in history.

Yep..agreed...only difference between the two is Obama is a lot faster...but only because Bush opened up the door so he could be faster.

Not the most popular stance to take sometimes, but totally logical and right on the money.

[Dee]

I voted for that tired old Loser because he was the better of the two and would have done less damage to the Country.  You voted for someone who had a better chance of running to the moon than becoming president....  In hindsight I'm glad that he lost, he isn't what is needed for this Country and BHO is opening everyones eyes for the better.  We will weather this Bozo in the White House and heal as a Country.  And I'm not angry in the least by anything you say even IF IT'S IN CAP'S or BOLD.

My favorite politician you likely know nothing about because he's a republican not some whacko Libertarian. His name is Paul Ryan. You should open your mind and stop yelling at everyone through your keyboard...

I ain't yellin at anyone. I don't give a damn who you vote for. You started this conversation, I didn't

[splicer]

 The only gun grab Ive heard about is the one in Katrina where the SS disguised as blackwater and national guard raided homes and beat up old women.  This whole incident was started by the head traitor GWB and his freedom loving REPUBLICAN facade.