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Thunder on the Prairie
« on: June 02, 2010, 10:04:14 PM »
     Today GB mortars loaded with Fox Balls and simple shells whizzed over and smacked into the high plains 90 miles north of Denver, Colorado.  They had to compete with small arms fire, but managed to hold their own and were much easier on the ears.  Gary Lorenz let us take his really nice bronze GB mortar up there, but unfortunately he came with it.  ;)   After we found out he had $ for gas, he was much easier to tolerate.

    We will try to get a movie we took of the firing of a 'Special' projectile out of Gary's bronze mortar posted tomorrow if possible.  We managed to get a couple in-focus pics of T&M's Mallet's Mortar Jr. firing solid steel Fox balls in slow-mo.  

Mike and Tracy


Gary's beautiful bronze mortar is a product of his creative mind and our Mallet's Mortar was inspired by the largest functional mortar, 36" bore, that the British ever developed in the Nineteenth century.  The original is located today in the UK at Fort Nelson.  Ours is a 1:21 scale re-creation, built for fun, authentic in most details.




You can see here that they have, indeed, been fired.




Do you see that puff of smoke going horizontally toward the camera?  We made the vent that way just like the original.  You must be aware of that during firing to avoid injury.




We caught this steel ball just as it emerged from the tube.  The movie was filmed at 300 FPS.




What you see here is actually the fifth frame of a 300 FPS movie.  There were 3 frames of 'Blow-By' and vent smoke, then one muzzle flash with ball right at the muzzle similar to the photo above this one, and the fifth frame that you see immediately below:




While I diligently practiced with our GB mortar, Mike played with his .310 Cadet Martini.  Nice scope mount, Mike!  ;D




Tomorrow we hope to post a very special movie of Gary's mortar firing a simple shell golf ball.   :o :o
Smokin' my pipe on the mountings, sniffin' the mornin'-cool,
I walks in my old brown gaiters along o' my old brown mule,
With seventy gunners be'ind me, an' never a beggar forgets
It's only the pick of the Army that handles the dear little pets - 'Tss! 'Tss!

From the poem  Screw-Guns  by Rudyard Kipling

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Re: Thunder on the Prairie
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2010, 10:16:13 PM »
Fine job on both Mortars! Great pics, too! Thanks for posting them! Looking forward to the video! BoomLover
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Re: Thunder on the Prairie
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2010, 12:54:15 AM »
Both mortars are exceptional work, where's the cupie?
Glad you were able to put up with Gary did you put him in the back of the surburban? or tie him on top?
Must be hard to remember to bring him back with you sometimes......... ;D
But if you did that we'd never hear the end of it once he found his way home on his own......

Mike a little guerrilla glue and duct tape would provide a much more stable mount & tack driving accuracy.....
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Re: Thunder on the Prairie
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2010, 02:00:48 AM »
That Martini was DEADLY accurate too!
Note the fatal wound channel.
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Re: Thunder on the Prairie
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2010, 03:23:33 AM »
Don't let those nuts from PETCP* see that!


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Re: Thunder on the Prairie
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2010, 07:51:31 AM »
I gotta admit...too good for Haggis    both of them   a touch of class.
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Re: Thunder on the Prairie
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2010, 08:37:02 AM »
I gotta admit...too good for Haggis    both of them   a touch of class.

Hold it a minute here...where's my heart medicine....

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Re: Thunder on the Prairie
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2010, 11:03:02 AM »
should I send you some ??
I got lots of different types   ;D
but Im not sure if anyone of them can handle chock  ::)
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Re: Thunder on the Prairie
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2010, 11:19:06 AM »
Colorado Carnegies produced the goods........what more can I say ?
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Re: Thunder on the Prairie
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2010, 11:40:05 AM »
     Thanks guys, for the compliments!  We made our mortar for fun and we shoot it just for fun, and Gary's is a one-off, so you can say the same for his motivation on the bronze mortar shown.

I gotta admit...too good for Haggis    both of them   a touch of class.

I gotta admit...too good for Haggis    both of them   a touch of class.

Hold it a minute here...where's my heart medicine....

     Thanks, Carronader, we all appreciate a compliment from anyone with a critical eye very much, indeed.  Double D, why are you so shocked?  Doesn't your questioning nature wonder why the gentleman chose Alfred E. Neuman for his avatar?  We are not suggesting an 'alter ego' connection here at all, but, while Alfred most likely Was Not an intellectual, he certainly displayed a surplus of common sense, which the sensible, among us, realize is what most often gets you through life.  One of Neuman's favorite quotes is this one, "If opera is entertainment, then falling off a roof is transportation!"  'Down to earth'  is an understatement here, do you not agree, Dan?  It's so unlike you to 'pile on'.  Why, we ask?   ;) ;)

     Hope to get that movie clip linked by this evening sometime.

Tracy and Mike
Smokin' my pipe on the mountings, sniffin' the mornin'-cool,
I walks in my old brown gaiters along o' my old brown mule,
With seventy gunners be'ind me, an' never a beggar forgets
It's only the pick of the Army that handles the dear little pets - 'Tss! 'Tss!

From the poem  Screw-Guns  by Rudyard Kipling

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Re: Thunder on the Prairie
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2010, 12:15:10 PM »
 

Alfred E Nuemann and haggis boiler-rational comment.


 Scopemount is on backwards, spaced ban always goes in the rear.   

 

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Re: Thunder on the Prairie
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2010, 12:36:01 PM »
I actually was a member of the   A E N F S C  when I was young    ;D

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Re: Thunder on the Prairie
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2010, 01:25:15 PM »
     Very rational, Double D, very rational.  Dan, I am with you one that one, so was I only it was the American Fan Club, of course.  Did I get it right here?  A E N F C S =  Alfred E. Neuman Fan Club (Swedish?) Or something pretty close to that?  I just could not wait for the next issue to reach the news stands in my little town.  I loved the SPY vs SPY or SPY vs SPY vs SPY section.

     I will never forget the Roving Reporter segment which had a report on the making of a Tooth Paste commercial.  The reporter commented on a terrible accident which occurred while filming.  The commercial's star actor, used that toothpaste brand and his bad breath was negated by an "Invisible Shield" which came between his mouth and people nearby.  Apparently the "Invisible Shield" which was absolutely huge and weighed tons and tons, as it turned out, was not anchored properly, despite strict adherence to union rules, and crushed the actor to death by degrees as it slowly toppled over and flattened him out on the beach, a place of such gayety only minutes before.

Tracy

Double D it really doesnt matter here the thing is stuck on with epoxy aluminum.  the bands are just to help it set up in the correct place.  havent decided on a style of custom mount to make yet.  

Mike
Smokin' my pipe on the mountings, sniffin' the mornin'-cool,
I walks in my old brown gaiters along o' my old brown mule,
With seventy gunners be'ind me, an' never a beggar forgets
It's only the pick of the Army that handles the dear little pets - 'Tss! 'Tss!

From the poem  Screw-Guns  by Rudyard Kipling

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Re: Thunder on the Prairie
« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2010, 01:53:14 PM »
ALFRED E NEUMAN FAN SUPORTER CLUB  ;D  so you was close enough  ::)
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Re: Thunder on the Prairie
« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2010, 02:40:58 PM »
That Martini was DEADLY accurate too!
Note the fatal wound channel.

"fatal wound channel"......... good thing I hear they are nasty when only wounded.......

Now you know you just ruined a perfectly good throwing cow pie! Thrown from the top of a mesa
that one should have gotten at least 1/4 of a mile.......
Sail rabits were better they could go 1/2 mile or better  ;D
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Re: Thunder on the Prairie
« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2010, 03:30:55 PM »
     Here is that movie which shows the method Gary uses to load his mortar and shoot it too.  I hope this link works; it's my first solo mov-y creation start to finish incl. posting.

Please click this link:

http://www.fototime.com/BE2C4F3172FAAE4/conv.wmv

Tracy
Smokin' my pipe on the mountings, sniffin' the mornin'-cool,
I walks in my old brown gaiters along o' my old brown mule,
With seventy gunners be'ind me, an' never a beggar forgets
It's only the pick of the Army that handles the dear little pets - 'Tss! 'Tss!

From the poem  Screw-Guns  by Rudyard Kipling

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Re: Thunder on the Prairie
« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2010, 04:24:56 PM »


I thought the rubber bands were holding the foreend on, not the scope.
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Re: Thunder on the Prairie
« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2010, 04:57:43 PM »
Maybe both?   ;)
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Re: Thunder on the Prairie
« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2010, 05:18:28 PM »
Tracy , There seems that there was ....something wrong with our golfballs today .....

gary
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Re: Thunder on the Prairie
« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2010, 05:43:11 PM »
nothing wrong with your golf balls , you probably just hit 2 bumble bees with them .
I know from personal experiance that when they get hit by a golf ball they actually do explode ,
but I didnt think you was that kind of sniper that you was able to hit 2 with 2 shots .
the only other person who have done that is Tiger Woods  ;D


but hove about the pre messured charges Gary ??   :o
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Re: Thunder on the Prairie
« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2010, 06:29:46 PM »
Tracy , There seems that there was ....something wrong with our golfballs today .....

gary

Regarding comments on golf balls in today's phone call, how much windage do you have .043 or .070?

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Re: Thunder on the Prairie
« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2010, 07:01:03 PM »
     DD,   The bore size is 1.720" dia. and the Fox balls are 1.686" dia. so that gives us a windage total of .034".  So, what is your conclusion, knowing that?

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With seventy gunners be'ind me, an' never a beggar forgets
It's only the pick of the Army that handles the dear little pets - 'Tss! 'Tss!

From the poem  Screw-Guns  by Rudyard Kipling

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Re: Thunder on the Prairie
« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2010, 07:22:33 PM »
What symptoms, pray tell, lead you to believe there was a problem with the golf balls (iron or otherwise)?
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Re: Thunder on the Prairie
« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2010, 07:37:31 PM »
     DD,   The bore size is 1.720" dia. and the Fox balls are 1.686" dia. so that gives us a windage total of .034".  So, what is your conclusion, knowing that?

Tracy

No conclusion with those numbers.  I was recalling a discussion some time ago about some golf ball guns being built with bore of 1.75 and wondering if that might be a reason for the variable we discussed.

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Re: Thunder on the Prairie
« Reply #24 on: June 04, 2010, 01:32:02 AM »
It was probably velocity X the friction of the dry Colorado air that caused them to blowed up....... ::)
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Re: Thunder on the Prairie
« Reply #25 on: June 04, 2010, 04:57:29 AM »
What symptoms, pray tell, lead you to believe there was a problem with the golf balls (iron or otherwise)?

a bumble bee collided with two of them and they just blew up ....... :o
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Re: Thunder on the Prairie
« Reply #26 on: June 04, 2010, 09:06:22 AM »
yeah thats it , anything else would be illegal  , but of course it could have been the friction also  ;D
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Re: Thunder on the Prairie
« Reply #27 on: June 04, 2010, 09:50:25 AM »
Both mortars are exceptional work, where's the cupie?



I recall progress pictures of each, but this is the first finished picture of each I recall seeing.


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Re: Thunder on the Prairie
« Reply #28 on: June 05, 2010, 03:54:15 PM »

Gary's beautiful bronze mortar is a product of his creative mind and our Mallet's Mortar was inspired by the largest functional mortar, 36" bore, that the British ever developed in the Nineteenth century.  The original is located today in the UK at Fort Nelson.  Ours is a 1:21 scale re-creation, built for fun, authentic in most details.




That is two very fine looking mortars!  I like the double wedge elevation device on the Mallets mortar.  Is that how the original was made?

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Re: Thunder on the Prairie
« Reply #29 on: June 05, 2010, 05:39:15 PM »
     Hi Dom!  The original had the same Double-Wedge Elevation device.  It also had a large hand wheel, perhaps a way to quickly and accurately elevate or depress the tube via a rack and pinion gear set-up which would drive both wedges (if you had two offset racks, one bolted in each wedge in centrally located grooves with teeth facing each other, but, of course, at different heights, and two pinion gears mating with the teeth of those two racks, you could turn the hand wheel and drive the wedges simultaneously in opposite directions to elevate or depress the monstrous muzzle of this massive mortar).

Tracy and Mike


As it sits today at Fort Nelson near Portsmouth, UK.  The 36" diameter shells weighed 2,400 pounds, each!!

Smokin' my pipe on the mountings, sniffin' the mornin'-cool,
I walks in my old brown gaiters along o' my old brown mule,
With seventy gunners be'ind me, an' never a beggar forgets
It's only the pick of the Army that handles the dear little pets - 'Tss! 'Tss!

From the poem  Screw-Guns  by Rudyard Kipling