Israel puts 4 in the head of a US citizen

[powderman]

Why weren't the jews welcomed back to Europe of western New York to create the land of milk and honey?

tm. Pretty simple, God didn't give them that land, their inheritece is in the mideast. God was specific in their boundaries. Israel is now partially occupied by invaders and squatters of 5 Godless nations. POWDERMAN. 

[RB1235]

TM7,
I thought your posts were a ruse, being that you are a moderator. Are you serious? If not how do you stay a moderator by simply arguing with everyone and calling everything that does not meet the muslim view propaganda? Most of the time the fellows that create irritation and argue with everyone who does not agree with them are weeded out and sent elsewhere. How do you not get the mod status pulled, much less kicked off? Sorry just baffled at the posts.

 I can care less what goes on in the middle east. They were fighting centuries ago, they will continue for centuries to come. I ask because I am a mod over at rimfire central and would get booted quick I am sure, if every post I made was how it is this one religions fault why all the problems in the world exist. And anything anyone provided to the discussion was wrong because it did not fit MY opinion. Not trying to be capricious. I still want to believe that you are just having fun with these muslim extremist views.

[JASmith]

RB1235 -- hear! hear! Right on!

[S.S.]

Thats Good shootin'

[teamnelson]

I read the reporting on the autopsy, including quotes from Buyuk the chief forensic guy. According to him there were 30 gunshot wounds total on the "humanitarian activists" who by their own admission planned a hasty "resistance" when they saw the zodiacs comings. Fulkan was hit 5 times from less than 18 inches away - face, back of head, 2x in leg, 1x in back. 60yo Bilgen shot 4x temple, chest, hip and back. 2 other men were shot 4x. 5 of those killed were shot in either in the back of the head or the back. But that's just the autopsy, which by itself is insufficient to confirm intent.

Forensic analysis including close quarters battle evaluation in an after action, which I've sat through, would actually be more telling.

The distance, caliber, number of shots fired, placement on the wounded, does not smack of controlled well placed fire by an insertion team. I'm not a trigger puller anymore, but I counsel some of the best, and now having read the expanded autopsy reporting, it only corroborates the Israeli story. The IDF were not in control when they stepped on board; they were met with life-threatening resistance, and had to take control. Per the video footage released by the flotilla itself, the IDF were attacked when they boarded, so they shot their way out ... the autopsy would corroborate that scenario.

[ironglow]

This could all be settled if the recently-crteated "Palestinians" would quit insisting upon occupying parts of the State of Israel !!

[BBF]

GAAAH !!

[SHOOTALL]

It could be settled if the world let them go at it ! Be over in a matter of days . But as long as other powers minulipate both sides it will be business as always . If nothing else its a place to test arms.

[ironglow]

  "proper Biblical interpretation"..??  

[billy_56081]

TM I have to say your posts are even funnier than Jamaldogs.

[powderman]

This could all be settled if the recently-crteated "Palestinians" would quit insisting upon occupying parts of the State of Israel !!

YEP, but it makes too much sense. The Godless ones are trespassers. You must remember though that tm has admitted that our God is not his, big shock there.
RB1235. Good post, and true. I've wondered about these same things for years. Baffeling.  POWDERMAN.  

[teamnelson]

TM7, I'm going to limit my supposition to the operation based on the facts available.

Now I'll ask you, if they thought the Ari Marava had weapons, was armed, had wmd, or dangerous and unsavory characters on board...wouldn't they have disabled the ship to keep it away from israeli shores and to make it dead in the water?  And so then to proceed with more  cautious surveilance and a landing after a period of attrition..?? Or a daylight landing with mass media prsent?  And that they would have milked every last drop of propaganda out of such a 'terror' ship??

You're correct, they did not suspect anything, so they did not disable the ship. You're correct, had they thought that they would have approached more cautiously, media support, all those things. According to the IDF report, they boarded the AM because it did not adhere to the blockade and refused to change course [SOP for coastal defense the world over]. They went in at night because that's when the AM broke the blockade, so the IDF was responding not initiating. They went in light because they did not anticipate armed agressive resistance. So your questions only underscore the fact that the IDF went by the book, responded to a situation. Not been avoiding - been reading up on CQB; this sounds like the after action of every other time an unit was dropped into a hostile environment and had to shoot their way out, to include multiple gunshot wounds from close distance.

As for the 2 shots fired at distance, do you have forensic evidence placing the timing of the shots prior to boarding? Or were these supporting shots taken while the IDF on board were engaged? That little detail right there will go a long way towards determining the chronology of events.

[gstewart44]

This could all be settled if the recently-crteated "Palestinians" would quit insisting upon occupying parts of the State of Israel !!

And vice versa. And with proper Biblical interpretation....jews were forbidden to re-enter Palestine, still are...they could look though but not enter. And JC never said Christians are to kill arabs or help israelis kill arabs. The seed (not seeds) of Abraham is JC...not a people. And there is nothing wrong with kindness in the world; and politicized zionized judazied christianity is simply an oxymoron.

..TM7

your quote above would have you stoned in the islamic countries that you dote upon.     

[gstewart44]

TM7, I'm going to limit my supposition to the operation based on the facts available.

Now I'll ask you, if they thought the Ari Marava had weapons, was armed, had wmd, or dangerous and unsavory characters on board...wouldn't they have disabled the ship to keep it away from israeli shores and to make it dead in the water?  And so then to proceed with more  cautious surveilance and a landing after a period of attrition..?? Or a daylight landing with mass media prsent?  And that they would have milked every last drop of propaganda out of such a 'terror' ship??

You're correct, they did not suspect anything, so they did not disable the ship. You're correct, had they thought that they would have approached more cautiously, media support, all those things. According to the IDF report, they boarded the AM because it did not adhere to the blockade and refused to change course [SOP for coastal defense the world over]. They went in at night because that's when the AM broke the blockade, so the IDF was responding not initiating. They went in light because they did not anticipate armed agressive resistance. So your questions only underscore the fact that the IDF went by the book, responded to a situation. Not been avoiding - been reading up on CQB; this sounds like the after action of every other time an unit was dropped into a hostile environment and had to shoot their way out, to include multiple gunshot wounds from close distance.

As for the 2 shots fired at distance, do you have forensic evidence placing the timing of the shots prior to boarding? Or were these supporting shots taken while the IDF on board were engaged? That little detail right there will go a long way towards determining the chronology of events.

Team Nelson, I applaud you for keeping decorum and trying to engage TM7 with logic.    Unfortunately I fear, he cannnot comprehend the logic.   He has shown his view of the world to be very anti-semitic to the point of laughter as of late.    Keep trying though,  I have seen miracles happen, and believe they will again.   Thanks for your service!

[JASmith]

Team Nelson, I applaud you for keeping decorum and trying to engage TM7 with logic.    Unfortunately I fear, he cannnot comprehend the logic.   He has shown his view of the world to be very anti-semitic to the point of laughter as of late.    Keep trying though,  I have seen miracles happen, and believe they will again.   Thanks for your service!

We, possibly, should also applaud folks like TM7 -- they give some very knowledgeable folks an opportunity to clearly state the issues and the rest of us to learn some useful things.

Ain't free speech wonderful!  We can absolutely disagree with less than knowledgeable people on some truly important things and the ensuing discussions allow bystanders to learn a lot!

Yeah, I know I have not mentioned the thread per se -- but would submit that these comments are in keeping with the spirit of the conversation!

[powderman]

I'm thankful tm is here too. He's a daily reminder that satan is alive and well and still  influencing folks to do his work.
As far as his Bible knowledge goes just remember, theres a huge difference between Gods Holy word and the koran. POWDERMAN.  

[beerbelly]

This could all be settled if the recently-crteated "Palestinians" would quit insisting upon occupying parts of the State of Israel !!


The Isrealies are the the interlopers here! For all you religoue nuts, have god come on down to the UN and just tell them he gave the whole of areba to the Jews! He is not going to show, because he dose not exist!
    The UN with the complicty of the USA gave the Jews Isreal. It was about 1/3 the size it is now. they are contuly stealing the rag heads land and I don't blame them for being POed.
     I do blame them foe screwing with us and we should turn The whole damn place inclueding Isreal and the ragheads into dust!
                             Beerbelly

[powderman]

BEERBELLY. God doesn't need to go to the UN. I know you don't believe in  God but the deed to all that land is described in the Bible, all the boundaries layed out. As many times as the Godless ones have attacked Israel and gotten their butts handed to them in a sling I can't understand how anybody could not see Gods hand in it. Israel is 1/500th the size of her Godless neighbors. Look back at history, you'll see what I mean. It would be like a chihuaha being attacked by an elephant, and the elephant getting whupped. POWDERMAN.  

[beerbelly]

out. As many times as the Godless ones have attacked Israel and gotten their butts handed to them in a sling I can't understand how anybody could not see Gods hand in it.

I don't see god's hand in it, but I do see the USA's hand in it. We turned over the use of our spy satellites to them in their wars. Plus they were fighting with the best equipment the US military has, while the rag heads were using old obsolete Russian gear. And on at least two occasions they came very close to getting their butts kicked any way.
   While the rag heads were fighting blind they were watching every move the rag heads made on our spy satellites.
      The new king here may not be so nice to them. I think that is why they have not hit Iran. With out our help they can’t pull it off.
                                Beerbelly

[billy_56081]

Obsolete Beerbelly? Hmmm the mig 25 was state of the art at the time. The AK47 is still state of the art. The T62 was state of the art. The ZSU 23-4 was state of the art too. As were the SAMS. Please do not post false information to support your position of hatred. It only makes your position look even more desperate.

[powderman]

since they too accept Christ as a prophet and love Mary.

tm. A common lie of the Godless ones, their murderous actions prove they believe none of the teachings of Jesus Christ. The murderous ways of the Godless ones are from satan himself, not the teachings of Jesus. Islam is a cancer, a boil on the butt of the entire world.  POWDERMAN.  

[ironglow]

out. As many times as the Godless ones have attacked Israel and gotten their butts handed to them in a sling I can't understand how anybody could not see Gods hand in it.

I don't see god's hand in it, but I do see the USA's hand in it. We turned over the use of our spy satellites to them in their wars. Plus they were fighting with the best equipment the US military has, while the rag heads were using old obsolete Russian gear. And on at least two occasions they came very close to getting their butts kicked any way.
   While the rag heads were fighting blind they were watching every move the rag heads made on our spy satellites.
      The new king here may not be so nice to them. I think that is why they have not hit Iran. With out our help they can’t pull it off.
                                Beerbelly

    We shall see...

[beerbelly]

Billy, are you trying to tell me that back when they were fighting those wars the rag heads had Mig 25s and T62 tanks! Hell in the gulf war they was still using T54s! Which were nothing but target practice for the M1 A1. Baloney, they had no such weapons! With the surprise attack  the Israelis wiped out the rag head air-force on the ground.
     Yes Israel was NOT attacked they launched a so called preemptive strike! In short they started the war, EVERY TIME!
                                      Beerbelly

[ironglow]

gstewart44.....I really don't care if muzzies would stone me or not for my conclusion about who the seed of Abraham is.  But that I believe it is JC, The Seeds, and not a supremicst race of chosen people probably would not annoy muzzies too much at all, since they too accept Christ as a prophet and love Mary.  It is the jews that hated Christ and call Mary a whore and still do since he is the greatest impediment to their agenda; at least when taken as a Christian. And that the words 'jew' and 'israel' did not exist in those biblical times,,,but that shortly later 'israel' later came to mean a people, not a place. Scrutiny of the Bible clearly shows that God was not a real estate agent assigning land and places to people who don't even have a DNA link to the place in the first place....maybe gods of the elolhim were, but not Christ's Father. Alot of judacized christians have now substituted worship of israel for worship and faith in JC...go figure.

As for running blockades the ship was 'inspected' at sub-dawn in international waters...most ships do hang offshore much perferring to make port in the light...there was no real blockade running, maybe the thought of it, but no run of the illegal blockade. What there was was a night time homicide run....actually executions.  In my opinion most decent Christians should be aghast regarding such antics of the beast.  The two shots taken from the heliocopters resulted in deathj of one humanitarian from wound to the top of the head..that is clear. Wittness' colloborate the 2 shot pre-landing and other shots.

JASmith....knowledgeable people don't get their shorts in a bunch....show me some knowledge; or what is taken for knowledge. Whines are not knowledge.


Beerbelly...that's pretty much it.

PM...get out of the Mega-Church...its killing you with hate.

TNEL....still waiting for you answers. And how you would have carried out this 'inspection', or raid.



..TM7
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  TM:
  Are you still into accepting those mythological stories such as.. Holy Blood, Holy Grail..  and ..The Davinci Code..as having some basis in fact ?

[ironglow]

Billy, are you trying to tell me that back when they were fighting those wars the rag heads had Mig 25s and T62 tanks! Hell in the gulf war they was still using T54s! Which were nothing but target practice for the M1 A1. Baloney, they had no such weapons! With the surprise attack  the Israelis wiped out the rag head air-force on the ground.
     Yes Israel was NOT attacked they launched a so called preemptive strike! In short they started the war, EVERY TIME!
                                      Beerbelly

  BB;
  You better update..in both the 1967 war and the 1972 war, Israel was using upgunned Sherman M4s from WW2 as well as some M47s,  and perhaps a few M48s, roughly the equivalent of the Russian T-55s the Arab coalition was using, both basically a Korean war era development..I'm an old tanker and observed carefully. The Arabs also had some T-34s of WW2 vintage.
  You said "the Isrealis attacked first every time" ...false. The war in 1972 was called "the Yom Kippur War" because the Arab gang attacked on an Israeli holy day..Yom kippur ! They got their butts whipped anyway..because Israel had a bit of supernatural help, not available to the Arabs..
As far as the 1967 war,; when surrounded by hostile armies already set up with supply lines, formed upon your borders, and bragging about their impending attack, and with your country's waistline being only 12 miles wide to the sea...one would be foolish not to strike first !
  In the first anti-Saddam war there were some T-55, but also some T-62s and perhaps some T-72s..but no matter, they would still be cannon fodder for the Abrams.

[BBF]

  BB;
   ..because Israel had a bit of supernatural help, not available to the Arabs..

[/quote]

Would that be the US AWATS  by any chance.

[beerbelly]

Would that be the US AWATS  by any chance.
Yep!


             The Israelis struck first EVERY time. You can make all the excuses for them you want, you can not change the truth. They are no better than the rag heads they are fighting.
                                 Beerbelly

[Dee]

BB hates everyone equally. It's the semi-American way.

[teamnelson]

TM7, answered earlier.

So let me see if I understand some of beerbellys logic; if a man threatens to rape & kill your family, brings a bunch of his buddies with him, armed, and he's standing on your doorstep ... and you have no police to call ... you'd wait to start firing until he knocked the door down? Just trying to make sure I know what Israel did wrong.

[powderman]

  BB;
   ..because Israel had a bit of supernatural help, not available to the Arabs..

Would that be the US AWATS  by any chance.
[/quote]

I assume you meant awacs, but no, thats not what he meant. He was speaking of the hand of God almighty, something the Godless ones don't have. POWDERMAN.