Israel puts 4 in the head of a US citizen

[Dee]

Are you dumb enough NOT to realize it was the Govt, the same bunch you and other have been bitchin and screaming about for years, I was calling Sap?? Not the guys in Uniform.

Your too damn stupid to realize that Uncle Sam is not the government. UNCLE SAM IS THE ARMY, THE NAVEY, THE MARINES, THE AIR FORCE, THE COAST GUARD. "UNCLE SAM IS OUR COUNTRY". WHEN THE POSTERS WENT UP IN WWII, SAYIN UNCLE SAM NEEDS YOU, IT WASN'T THE GOVERNMENT! IT WAS OUR COUNTRY!
YOU DAMN CANADAINS NEED TO STRAIGHTEN OUT YOUR OWN DAMN BS, BEFORE YOU CRITICIZE US. RUN YOUR MOUTH UP THERE ABOUT US, BUT YOU HAD BETTER MIND YOUR DAMN MANNERS IF YOU COME DOWN HERE. SOMEBODY DOWN HERE WILL PUT A FOOT UP YOUR BUTT. GB SHOULD STILL BAN YOU. YOUR CANADIAN TROLL! YOU'VE BEEN DIGGIN AT THIS COUNTRY EVER SINCE YOU PLAGUED US WITH YOUR PRESENCE.

[teamnelson]

Thank you BBF for demonstrating in person that it is not just the so-called ugly American that will commit the most offensive ethnocentric gaffes as a product of ignorance. As a Navy officer I am honored to be associated with Uncle Sam who symbolizes all that is good about the USA, even when our elected officials do not. Have at the latter, but we'll appreciate your deference to the former. Canadians take pride in their politeness, so I am told.

R/S, LT Robert S. Nelson, USN

p.s. and should the elected government of a sovereign nation choose to send their Navy to break Israels blockade of Gaza, then they should do so with full understanding of the risks involved, whether that's Iran or the USA. Activist organizations are not sovereign nations and do not enjoy any consideration - enter at their own risk.

[powderman]

p.s. and should the elected government of a sovereign nation choose to send their Navy to break Israels blockade of Gaza, then they should do so with full understanding of the risks involved, whether that's Iran or the USA. Activist organizations are not sovereign nations and do not enjoy any consideration - enter at their own risk.

YEP. No nation involved in this, just a bunch of muslim trouble makers. It would really get interesting if iran tried to run it. The Godless ones would get their war, but they aint gonna like it. POWDERMAN. 

[BBF]

TN:
 History is full of incidents were the political machine in whatever form has misused their Armed Forces. In no way was my earlier post meant as a swipe at the men and women in their respective Service who follow Orders and pay the price while those responsible walk away in most cases.

As a Chaplain( I presume you are) you understandably  have a "take" on this whole Christrian- Jew_ Israel, Chosen, Holy Land thing.

My critique with Israel and its lobby around the world isn't a matter of Religion to me, but a matter of politics/policies.  I look at their actions and aims.

I would be critical in the same manner to any other group/country that operates similar.

Lastly, I appriciate you reminder on being polite

[ironglow]

  By TM;
  IG......you have called for the utter destruction and annihilation of all moslem countries from the get go. You have constantly praised and encouraged zionist genocide and war crimes on your hated Palestinians for the crime of being born Palestinian.  In this thread you have praised the 'inspection' raid in spite of the fact it was bringing relief, school supplies, and medicines to concentration camp victims; children benifiting the mosts. You have continuously praised zionist destruction of homes, schools, mosques, UN centers using the lame excuse of human shields when these people have no other places to seek shelter during aerial attacks.  You have continuously praised zionist theft of homes and extrication of Palestinian families from their ancestral homes....ALL OF THIS and so much more has made you firsthand part and parcel of this genocide, and in this genocide the children suffer first and the most. You scoffed at the murder of Rachel Corrie for the unselfish act of trying to save a Palestinian family their home.You have done this since the 911 hoax occurred and likely will continue to do it... Your citing examples of moslem brutality is wishful piety on your part,,,many times not checking out, and is only useful to you in your constant and relentless effort to endlessly villify and condemn islamics any chance you get. This is the tip of the iceberg.
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Poor TM;
   There you go again! Accusing me of calling for the " utter destruction and annihilation of all moslem countries". TM, I never advocated such a thing; and so I am again "calling you on it". Delve into the archives if you must to clear yourself...but SHOW US where I ever advocated that position. Now, put up or shut up.
   Yes,I understand the need for "inspections", considering the thousands of imported rockets and other weapons that have rained down on Israel since Hamas has been "gifted" back the Gaza strip.
     Yes, I scoffed at the suicide of Rachel Corrie ! Lying down in front of a D8 bulldozer..out of the vision of the operator, is definitely no way to save a home, and certainly no way to save one's body from destruction. Poor woman needed psych help!

  Your melancholy about the inspections stopping delivery of medicines, food & school supplies to "concentration camps".
    These concentration camps need not be there by the way, since their Arab brothers have 500 times the land area of Israel..yet still won't help their brothers to resettle their lives. Those "concentration camps" are with Muslim blessing and manufacture !  We of course all know that food, medicines and school supplies are freely delivered to the needy..by Israelis..  The Israelies only refuse to deliver destructive weapons systems !  ....And for obvious reasons..
   Then you come up with whining about Israeli destruction of Palestinian homes etc...
   Please...Need we again list the many homes, schools, daycare centers, busses, trains, airplanes, night clubs, pizza parlors, airports, shops and thousands of other "soft" targets blowed away (with men, women & children) by Islamofascists..all since 9/11 ?
  Your whole discourse can best be explained by your incessant claim that the 9/11 destruction was a "hoax". That certainly provides insight into your judgement of international affairs.

[SHOOTALL]

 When a people of a certian religion or belief attack another and one defends themself why is it assumed they look at the other as a subhuman rase ? I look at them as an enemy and nothing gets attention as an enemy does.
 The idea that stopping war goods from reaching ones enemy is effecting children may have some validity as it stops bombs from dropping on Isreal and killing her children.

[RB1235]

Nothing is being said of Egypt's blockade of Gaza. A 90% Muslim nation blockading Gaza? Why no comments on that? What about Egypt blowing, gassing and flooding the tunnels Hamas is using to smuggle in weapons? No outcry for the hundreds of Palestinians killed in the tunnels in the last 3 years? No outcry for the poor little freedom fighters being gassed, drowned and blown up from their Muslim brothers? Kind of a one sided affair don't you suppose? More have died from Egypt's hands than the Jews in the last 3 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%93present_blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip

[SHOOTALL]

THAT CRACKS ME UP !  sorry for caps I talk loud when the BS gets me laughing so hard.

[blind ear]

In my humble opinion....no Christian would ever ever be part and parcel of this crap. Ever.
TM7

Christians have probably killed more people than any other group in history and much of it was Christians killing Christians. Anything for a good cause. 

eddiegjr

[JASmith]

Christians have probably killed more people than any other group in history and much of it was Christians killing Christians. Anything for a good cause. 

eddiegjr

Eddiegjr, you might be right, but just off-hand, as my memory serves, the proselytes of Nazism accounted for 10-20 million, the followers of Communism religion 30-60 million, and the Japanese another 10 million.  None of these were Christian, even though Christians resided in the countries controlled by the associated parties.  E. g., the National Socialist Party was the political arm of followers of the Nazi faith. 

I know my numbers are off, and would welcome corrections for the simple reason that I am curious -- Like follower of many faiths, we Christians don't always shy away from use of force to make a point.  Buddhism, for example, actively teaches peace, brotherhood and tolerance, but even followers of this religion, to my direct knowledge, have accounted for a significant number of combat casualties.  I am not, however, convinced that Christianity is the bloodiest of faiths. 

Also, Eddie, or other readers, these last two posts aren't squarely in the middle of the original post topic.  I would be happy to follow the obviously interesting discussion on a different or new thread!  If you can, find one or start one!

Thanks!

[RB1235]

 I do not look for links to support a one sided agenda.  Still nothing said of the estimated 400+ Palestinians killed by Egyptians?  So in other words the Egyptians are killing the Palestinians because it is America's wish? Most American's today support the existence of a Palestinian state. So how is it that we Americans want the Jews or the Egyptians to wipe the Palestinians out? Or does it go back to the evil Juden? After all everything is their fault right?

[billy_56081]

OMG! Now old TM blames the Russian revolution on the Jews. TM you are the master of "the Jews did it".

TM thanks for the humor once again I was drinking and spit my tea all over when I read your post.

[RB1235]

Google it.  Hamas is blaming 400 deaths on Egypt. http://english.aljazeera.net/ Another option to search.
I sincerely can't see how it is a shift. I just wanted someone to tell me why there is so much coverage on the jews killing them. And very little in the media of another muslim country killing them. I believe it to be a double standard that there is very little coverage. Only because both are muslims. Not trying to drag this thread totally off track,,, but not a lot of coverage on Iran's recent air strikes on the Kurdish either. The Jew/Muslim fight is always popular. While the muslim/muslim or Christian/muslim fight is rarely covered.

[beerbelly]

Check it out Marx and Lennon were both Jews, from New York city.
                Beerbelly

[SHOOTALL]

Gee TM7 got to ask how could WW-2 communist be christian communist ? Wasn't that one of the things outlawed ? Were not many eliminated for that reason ? It would be hard to worship the state and God at the same time would it not ?

[gstewart44]

Check it out Marx and Lennon were both Jews, from New York city.
                Beerbelly

Get your facts straight BB.   Karl Marx was born in Germany in 1818 and died in London in 1883.  37 years before the Russian Revolution.   Never was in NYC.    He was babtized into the Lutheran Church at age 6.
If you want to blame the Jews at least find one....don't make it up.

Oh and John Lennon was murdered in NYC but was born in England after the Russian Revolution (even though he did record the song "Revolution").  

[billy_56081]

Gstewart don't confuse these fellers with facts their hate blinders block them out. Old beerbelly was trying to claim that Israel attacked the Arabs in 67 and 73 and had such technologically advanced weapons. He aint said much on that since then.

[SHOOTALL]

My history class said French and German bankers backed the Russian Rev.

[gstewart44]

Vladimir Lenin was born in Russia in 1870, and never lived in NYC, though he did travel throughout Europe prior to 1900.   He was writing and speaking out against the Tsarist Monarchy of Russia persecuting groups of people, including Jews.   

[gstewart44]

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Getstewart...Karl Marx's father converted to Lutherism for 'business reasons"....Karl I believed married a jewess and was a rabbi I think. I thought he visited NYC, maybe not, but he was a correspondent for the NY Daily Tribune.

TM - Marx's father converted to Luthreanism before Karl was born.   Karl never practiced Judeaism.   He and his wife Jenny were married in a Protestant church.    she had converted from Judaism to Christianity after her parents died, and before she was married.    She did not want to disrespect her Jewish parents.
Karl was a Foreign correspondant for the NYTimes.

[ironglow]

Shootall...'chosenism', a belief IG holds dear, implies others are 2nd and 3rd rate humans on account of their gods word....and that is a fact. What war goods were on the freedom aid flotilla?  What arms to Palestinians have sequestered in Gaza? Homemade rockets,,,thousands  ...more like signal flares of a people in distress...what damge have these rockets done..? How did neo-israel establish itself in Palestine....?   answer...thru total terrorism and massacres...same yesterday as it is today. In my humble opinion....no Christian would ever ever be part and parcel of this crap. Ever.
..TM7
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TM..You simply MUST study more! It is not I who said the Jews were a chosen people, but rather God who said it !  "..The Lord God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself; above all people that are on the face of the earth." (Deut 7:6)  You may also like to peruse(Deut 14:2 ... 1Kings 3:8...Psalms 33:12 and ..I Kings 3:..just to mention a few).  Then, how about.." But I have chosen JERUSALEM, that my name might be there; and have chosen David to be over MY PEOPLE ISRAEL". (2 Chronicles 6:6)

   Yes, I would rather God had chosen me and my people..but he did not do so.. Still, his choice doesn't make other ethnicities less human !
 Nor does it mean that his CHOSEN are always doing what is right; His own word tells us that they failed miserably 3-4 times and went into slavery because of it.
   Please remember, only one perfect man ever walked this earth...and HE WAS NOT Muhammad !
     
   You seem to struggle with the word "chosen"; so let me put it this way...Back a few years, when I bred, hunted and competed with dogs,  Airedales and Jack Russells were my CHOISEN breeds. That doesn't mean Redbones, Plotts and black mouthed Curs were 2nd or 3rd rate...they simply were not my CHOSEN breeds.

BTW: still calling you out for proof of your hasty, unfounded accusations...

[SHOOTALL]

TM7 I have read  all that . To me they were no longer christians when they turned commie. And for the record Cathlics who tortured others in the name of God or took advantage og children don't fit the definition either .

[powderman]

OMG! Now old TM blames the Russian revolution on the Jews. TM you are the master of "the Jews did it".


HEH. BILLY, you are right, what a comedy act. he also said the nazis were Christian. YEP, laugh a minute.
Iran has now sent ships to run the blockade with another sailing Friday. Definitely a shtf situation. The Godless ones are going to get what they THOUGHT they wanted, heh, they aint gonna like it. GO ISRAEL. POWDERMAN.  

[ironglow]

 TM;
   Your exegesis is as full of holes as Swiss cheese...but no point in taking you on verse by verse..you just don't "get it'..and likely you never will. So, there is no point in wasting my time presenting the solid evidences which you have already ignored and will continue to be ignoring.

[powderman]

tm. I feel your iranian friends won't fare so well, be a shame if their ships suddenly disappeared without a trace. Do you intentionally make ridiculously long posts knowing few if any of us will read it??? You don't need to take up so much space to simply say, THE JEWS DID IT. Why don't you ask some of your friends if you too can get on one of those ships??? I'm sure they'd  be proud to have another Israel hater on board, then you could explain all of your rights to the Israeli Navy in person.   POWDERMAN. 

[billy_56081]

TM I would love to see you and a liberal discuss a problem. You would be blaming the Jews while the lib would be blaming Bush. Hey maybe you can work that into your comedy act!!! 

[ironglow]

 

[powderman]

tm. What? I went back to try and read your article against Jews and the Bible but I reckon I fell asleep, musta been a real exciting read. Got your ships ticket yet??? Go for it, tell The Israeli navy you have rights, call em names, enjoy your 2 minutes of glory and fame.   POWDERMAN.  

[ironglow]

I seriously doubt Billy will be serving barbeque aboard that ship...he may figure the barbeque will take care of itself..just a few miles offshore of Gaza.


..That is, only if they don't know enough to halt..when ordered to do so...

[scootrd]

The Israeli cabinet is today expected to agree to a plan to ease off the blockade on Gaza in a deal brokered by Tony Blair, the Middle East envoy.

The new arrangements – decided upon in a series of meetings between Blair and the Israeli prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, over the past 10 days – would cover three areas:
• a list of prohibited goods not allowed into Gaza, replacing the current system of a list of approved goods;
• agreement to allow construction materials for UN-sponsored projects;
• Israel to consider allowing EU monitors to be stationed at crossings between Israel and Gaza.

The agreement follows intense pressure on Israel to relax its siege on Gaza in the aftermath of the deadly assault on a flotilla of aid ships attempting to break the blockade. Nine activists were killed.

Blair described the move as a "very important step".

"It will allow us to keep weapons and weapon materials out of Gaza, but on the other hand to help the Palestinian population there," he told the Israeli daily Haaretz. "The policy in Gaza should be to isolate the extremists but to help the people."

This from the Jerusalem Post

SHARM EL-SHEIKH, Egypt — The embargo of Gaza has been a failure and Egypt will keep an open border with the Hamas-run territory for the foreseeable future, an Egyptian security official said on Monday. Keeping the Rafah crossing point open long term would seriously undercut Israel's efforts to isolate and punish Gaza's Hamas rulers and give the Palestinians back a crucial link to the outside the world.

Egypt opened its border with Gaza soon after Israel's commando raid on an international flotilla of activists trying to break the blockade last week. The Egyptian security official explained that the border closure has failed to achieve its goals, including the release of an Israeli soldier held by Hamas since 2006. Israeli airstrikes and Egyptian efforts have also not choked off the bustling smuggling trade that makes use of hundreds of tunnels along the Gaza-Egypt border.

The security official said a new policy must be found to end the suffering of the Palestinians, while keeping pressure on Hamas. He spoke Monday on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue. Egypt will keep its border crossing at the town of Rafah open indefinitely but will not allow large cargo or shipments of construction material through because the terminal is designed primarily to be a civilian passage, the official said.

A permanent opening of the Rafah crossing would only come if Hamas and its rivals in the Fatah movement of Western-backed President Mahmoud Abbas reconcile and an internationally recognized authority is brought back to Gaza.