Jungle Carbine

[mrussel]

Just saw what I now realize is a Jungle carbine at a pawn show. Someone apperantly chucked up the barrel on the lathe and cut the front 3" down to about 1/2" in diameter for some stupid reason,as well as put a cheap plastic,and ill fitting butt pad on it from some kind of remington. Its clearly marked No1 Mk5 and "US Government Property" and has pristine rifling. (dont know why it was US property,but its marked as such) It would be really nice if not for the hatchet job someone did on it.  

 Lets all have a moment of silence for this poor old rifle.


 Just looked it up,they were market US GOVERNMENT PROPERTY and made by Savage so that we could pretend that we were only leasing them to the British.

[simplicity]

I have a origanal that was bought at a yard sale for $100.00 so I know them well and a moment of silence is due. Also a beating about the head and shoulders with a ruber garden hose to the one responsible.

[spruce]

It sounds like it could have been a "homemade" copy of a Jungle Carbine.  They were a No. 5, not a Mk5.

The No. 1 MkIII (etc) were the pre WWII version with open barrel mounted open sights.  The No.4 MkI (etc) series and the No. 5 Jungle Carbine had receiver mounted peep sights.

The Jungle Carbine came into service late in the war, and then in very limited numbers.  As far as I know none of them (Jungle Carbines) were made by Savage, however I know the No. 4's were because I have one so marked.

[mcwoodduck]

There were a lot of copies of the carbine made.
The US Property were rifles sent to England before the US involvement in WWII with the lend Lease program.
We lent the English the material and if they did not return it at the end of the war we would charge them.
I do not think any of the lend lease stuff was the No. 5 Carbines and they were made in England at BSA or Enfield.
The Carbine with the large flash hider had a wandering Zero reputation.
Fired one for a while ad it was fine.  the cordite rounds had a lot of residue and would build up on the flash hider and wiping it out kept the gun shooting strait.
Either a carbine or a short sporting rifle in 303 would be a fun little rifle.

[eye shot]

What optic- scope does it have?

[mrussel]

What optic- scope does it have?

 IM sorry,somehow this got put in the wrong place. I'm not sure how it happened,all I know was that I tried to post this,and the site came up with an error message saying like it was down and I didn't see my message posted,so I re-posted it. The powers that be should feel free to delete this thread.

[mrussel]

What optic- scope does it have?

 IM sorry,somehow this got put in the wrong place. I'm not sure how it happened,all I know was that I tried to post this,and the site came up with an error message saying like it was down and I didn't see my message posted,so I re-posted it. The powers that be should feel free to delete this thread. Turns out,looking at the pictures I took,I misremembered the markings,it wasnt a jungle carbine at all,which means that what was done to it was even more extreme and depressing. 

[marine]

i used to have a jungle carbine and all i can say is ouch! the recoil was terrible with the thin rubber pad on the butt.  It was very accurate for a $200 rifle.  There are lots of gunshow carbines out there and you have to be wary when buying them. 

[gandog56]

Cripes, the recoil on my No.5 is TAME compared to my 10 Mosin Nagants or my Steyr M95.

[marine]

I have never minded the recoil of my mosin and its a m44.  i just dont know why but it bothered me.

[Pat/Rick]

Conversion kits were/are sold by Numrich Arms. Unfortunetly some folks will buy stuff like that and then try to pass them off as origional. Does it have the lightening cuts typically found on a jungle carbine? If it does could it have been used during the prototype stages of manufacture?

[S.S.]

Picture?