For Christians....

[ironglow]

An interesting 3 part video ...Has the final countdown begun ?  Start here, save it and watch at your leisure:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKEJGmx1ERw

[yt=425,350]kKEJGmx1ERw[/yt]

[Dee]

While I don't believe that it is in for us to know, we are told to pay attention to the seasons, and the seasons are changing fast. I have little doubt that we are in for a rough time, and it ain't nuthin like it's gonna be. It is strong evidence with the mass migration back to Israel, and I would not dispute it for a minute. We'll see if we live long enough.

[bearmgc]

As Obama's response to the Flotilla incident is to offer more monetary aid to Gaza, we are seeing other things unfolding in rapid succession. The radical Left is beginning to separate from the Progressive Congress, and become more vocally singular in their aims, which is to favor violent revolution. The Bilderbergs are aligning with/co-opting Radical Islam to more quickly achieve NWO. As one parasitic group jumps off the back of their host, another jumps onto the back of a host to achieve their aims. Interesting. I would have to go back and reread particulars in Scripture though, to see if something else still needs to happen before Gog And Magog. I think something yet needs to be fulfilled, according to Scripture before that happens.

[ironglow]

Thanks guys;
  That's why I presented it as a question..."Has the countdown begun" ?  I'm not dogmatic about the exact unfolding of events either, but there are many things happening recently which seem like things we expect to take place during those latter times.

[bearmgc]

I can't find any precurors, EXCEPT, a Blood Red Moon- meaning total lunar eclipse, on Passover 2014, and another one on Sukkoth, 2015. Blood red moons have been associated with Iraeli War in the past.

One particularly disturbing thing is the Russian missles that Iran has purchased from Russia, but have not yet been received by them. Wisdom would suggest that Israel take action before Iran gets those missles.

[Dee]

Actually nothing else has to be fulfilled before the the Anti-Christ and the two Witnesses make their appearance. The temple can be rebuilt at any time, and for several years the Jews have been reclaiming artifacts that the catholics have had in their possession. They are also re-creating the incenses and so on for the temple. The stage is set for the false profit, and the turmoil of the 7 years tribulation to begin.

[bearmgc]

So you don't believe in the Rapture described in Revelation, which comes before the Tribulation?

[Dee]

Pre-trib rapture? The rapture can come at any time. Just like the Second Coming. No more prophecies have to be full filled. He could come at any time.The rapture could come somewhere in the first 3 1/2 years of the tribulation, but know one REALLY knows, one can only speculate. Scripture tells the Christian to be watchful, and not be fooled by the false profit or antichrist, if you are raptured out BEFORE the tribulation how can you be watchful.
I believe in the "Second Coming", I believe in the Rapture, and I believe that know one knows when the rapture will take place, but some THINK they do without a shred of scriptural evidence. I have studied Daniel AND Revelation together and separate, and God hasn't handed out that info yet. He has given the order of other things, but not that.
Now with that said, given GB's rules, I'm gonna step down on this thought, on this forum, as it is complete anyway. If you have anything else on it pm me.

[slim rem 7]

i choose to try an be in my fathers way.. let others concern themselves with timetable an such..
if we figured it all out ,,do you imagine we could change what is gods will to be.i think not one whit..
 all i can do is seek righteousnes as best i can..this in a world where those who seek rightousness
are put dn as do gooders an scoffed at..
 so i will try my best to follow the saviors example, and not worry about things that are not in my control...
as much as i love my children ,,i know.. each individual must in fact work out his on salvation,by choosing the saviors attoning grace.. or choose not to follow him an go the way of the world..
as many times as i fail in my effort to be as christlike as possible.. that many times i will come up short.. so in the end,, it does  come down to the attonement as the only way to be with him..
 his grace is sufficient,,an its a good thing too..in my belief.. slim
 

[ironglow]

  While I tend to favor the pre-trib idea, I'm not dogmatic about it, not convinced we can sort it all out that well.

  TM;
  I hope you are not trying to credit Tim LeHaye with those "88 reasons". I watched a video of his just last night where he ridiculed "date setters", specifically pointing out that error. I agree with him.
   The 88 reasons were by someone else.      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_C._Whisenant

[BBF]

Nice Propaganda Vid Clip

[Dee]

Nice Propaganda Vid Clip

Nice TROLLING remark.

[bearmgc]

I was just trying to get a sense on what you thought. Indeed I do agree with walking on the side of the Lord, and trying to live a Christian life best I can.

[nw_hunter]

i choose to try an be in my fathers way.. let others concern themselves with timetable an such..
if we figured it all out ,,do you imagine we could change what is gods will to be.i think not one whit..
 all i can do is seek righteousnes as best i can..this in a world where those who seek rightousness
are put dn as do gooders an scoffed at..
 so i will try my best to follow the saviors example, and not worry about things that are not in my control...
as much as i love my children ,,i know.. each individual must in fact work out his on salvation,by choosing the saviors attoning grace.. or choose not to follow him an go the way of the world..
as many times as i fail in my effort to be as christlike as possible.. that many times i will come up short.. so in the end,, it does  come down to the attonement as the only way to be with him..
 his grace is sufficient,,an its a good thing too..in my belief.. slim
 

Right on Slim! +1