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Offline Bitterroot Bob

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Lightweight Commanders?
« on: June 09, 2010, 05:09:09 PM »
Howdy,
I took a look at a couple of used Lightweight Commanders chambered in .38 Super last week. I wasn't aware that these had aluminum alloy frames with a baked-on finish. Can the frame material handle +P Super loads without cracking? If one of these is in good structural condition, can a stiffer recoil spring and rubber buffer add life to the frame? BTW, these had scratches and were not collector grade by a long ways. The guy said they were produced sometime during the '50's.
Any advice on this model? I'm getting a little nutty over the .38 Super and a Commander would make a great carry-gun. I just don't know about an alloy gun.

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Re: Lightweight Commanders?
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2010, 02:49:39 AM »
Hey Bob:  a lot of guys use the alloy frame to build pistols, and they last.  My lightweight Commander in 45 has at least 10k rounds through it, mostly ball and reloads, some pretty hot. 

I would check the serial numbers for date of manufacture.  Mine is in the first 2500 production run and although loose enough to feed most anything I can put into it, it is still accurate.  I recall some frame cracking concerns or findings but am not solid on the specifics

"Can the frame material handle +P Super loads without cracking?"  Yes, but the 38 Super does not need +P loads to perform.  Most any handload from either current or older manuals is still within pressure specs for the cartridge so you should be well served with whatever you buy or load. Many factory loadings are loaded down just in case someone fires them through a older piece or one chambered in the 38 Auto (same case dimentions, just lower powered.)  Actually, the first 38 Autos were loaded to what the 38 Super is loaded today, about 1280'/sec.  The first 38 Supers were much hotter, running near 1400'/sec but then the concern about mixing loads and guns came to play and the 38 Auto was loaded down and the 38 Super was loaded down to original 38 Auto specs.  A lot of the competitors using 38 Supers load to 'major' power levels and use fully ramped and supported bbls for their loads.

"If one of these is in good structural condition, can a stiffer recoil spring and rubber buffer add life to the frame?"  You can always go with the stiffer recoil spring, say 18-20 lbs, but I would avoid the buffers as they tend to shorten the extraction and ejection stroke and can cause you problems. 

There are a few places that will refinish the alloy frame but often they require a bunch of guns to be refinished so they don't have to cook up a batch of the alloy finishing material for only one gun.  Checkmate in Florida used to refinish alloy guns but I don't know if they are still in business.  HTH. 

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Re: Lightweight Commanders?
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2010, 12:45:11 PM »
when colt came out with the lightweight comander they had some problems with the first frames they used. They apperantely used the wrong alloy and some cracked. The lightweight comander is probably my favorite 1911. Ive got one colt and two kimbers and they have digested many many thousands of trouble free rounds. I would just as soon wear a dress as put a shock buffer in any 1911! Spring it properly and keep it well lubed  and it will be fine for your lifetime and your childrens lifetime
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Re: Lightweight Commanders?
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2010, 11:11:56 AM »
I have a Colt LW Commander from the late 70s, have no idea how many thousand rounds through it, 90% 230 gr. ball.  Absulutly a great handgun and wonderful carry gun in cooler weather.  The 38 Super doesn't need Plus P ammo, it's a great round on to it self.  Wish I could find one, but at my age it would be just to pass on to my son or daughter.
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