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NRA campaign-finance exemption sparks criticism
« on: June 15, 2010, 11:51:56 PM »
Makes me wonder what NRA is up to.
For the first time in months I looked at Fox Nation and found this:

http://www.thefoxnation.com/nra/2010/06/15/nra-cuts-deal-dems

Government watchdog groups are divided over a Democratic campaign-finance bill that would exclude the powerful National Rifle Association from new disclosure rules.Rep. Chris Van Hollen, D-Md., said his campaign-finance bill will promote greater transparency. In this file photo from Aug. 25, 2008, Van Hollen speaks to USA TODAY and Gannett reporters during the Democratic National Convention in Denver.
 
Lisa Gilbert of the U.S. Public Interest Group said her organization was withdrawing support from the so-called DISCLOSE Act, crafted by Rep. Chris Van Hollen, D-Md., and other top Democrats, because of the exemption.

"Until the NRA exemption is removed, we are opposing the bill," Gilbert told On Politics this afternoon. "It's hard to look at a bill that's intended to shine sunlight across the board and see a carve-out for the NRA. The bill creates a two-tiered system: one set of the rules for the NRA and one for everyone else."
 
Other groups, including Democracy 21 and Public Citizen, have signaled their support for the proposal, which could come to the House floor as early as this week.

Read The Full Article:  Which leads to a USA Today article

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2010/06/democrats-exempt-nra-from-tough-new-campaign-finance-rules/1
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Re: NRA campaign-finance exemption sparks criticism
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2010, 07:08:10 AM »
Makes me wonder what NRA is up to.
For the first time in months I looked at Fox Nation and found this:

http://www.thefoxnation.com/nra/2010/06/15/nra-cuts-deal-dems

Government watchdog groups are divided over a Democratic campaign-finance bill that would exclude the powerful National Rifle Association from new disclosure rules.Rep. Chris Van Hollen, D-Md., said his campaign-finance bill will promote greater transparency. In this file photo from Aug. 25, 2008, Van Hollen speaks to USA TODAY and Gannett reporters during the Democratic National Convention in Denver.
 

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I just received this alert this morning from the GOA.
The Gun Owners of America, Second Amendment Foundation, Armed Females of America, CCRKB, National Shooting Sports Foundation and others will not be exempt.

Tuesday, June 15, 2010

We alerted you last week to the very dangerous DISCLOSE Act (HR 5175), where liberal House Democrats are trying to gag their political opponents.

Well, there have been some late-breaking developments in the fight to kill this bill, but you're not going to believe what's happening.  This is what Politico.com reported yesterday:

    House Democrats have offered to exempt the National Rifle Association from a sweeping campaign-finance bill, removing a major obstacle in the push to roll back the Supreme Court's Citizens United ruling.

    The NRA had objected to some of the strict financial disclosure provisions that Democrats have proposed for corporations and politically active nonprofits and that had kept moderate, pro-gun Democrats from backing the legislation.

    But if the NRA signs off on the deal, the bill could come to the House floor as early as this week. The NRA said it would not comment until specific legislative language is revealed.

    An NRA official also noted that the group would not be supporting the bill but would not actively oppose it if the deal with the Democratic leadership holds up.


So if the NRA gets an exemption for itself, it will not oppose the anti-freedom DISCLOSE Act (HR 5175).  This legislation is designed to overturn major parts of the recent Supreme Court decision which restored the ability of groups like GOA to freely criticize elected officials during a campaign.

But the NRA would no longer oppose the bill once they've won an exemption for themselves.  As reported by Politico.com:

    The legislation in question is designed to restore more campaign finance rules in the wake of last year's Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission decision, which removed prohibitions on corporations and unions running TV ads opposing or backing candidates in the run-up to an election.

    Democratic leaders fear the Citizens United decision could open the floodgates for corporate money to flow into this year's midterm elections, which they believe would favor Republican interests.

    The legislation, offered by Maryland Rep. Chris Van Hollen, chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, would require special-interest groups to disclose their top donors if they choose to run TV ads or send out mass mailings in the final months of an election.

In addition to benefiting the NRA, this "exemption" amendment will benefit Blue Dog Democrats who will be given a green light to support the Obama-Pelosi backed bill:

    Democrats are justifying the NRA exemption, saying the organization has a long history of being involved in the political process, and they say the real goal of the new campaign finance bill is to expose corporations and unions that create ambiguous front groups to run attack ads during campaigns. Unions would not be allowed to use the NRA exemption.

    North Carolina Rep. Heath Shuler, an NRA backer and conservative Democrat, proved to be pivotal to the NRA deal. Shuler was the first to offer an amendment to exempt the NRA and other nonprofits from the legislation, but that move drew objections from campaign watchdog groups.

    "There were a number of concerns that the DISCLOSE Act could hinder or penalize the efforts of certain long-standing, member-driven organizations who have historically acted in good faith," Shuler said, referring to the NRA. "Most of those concerns are addressed within the manager's amendment."

But here's the rub, the special exemption amendment will ONLY benefit the NRA and no other groups whatsoever.  It will leave all other groups who are currently in Obama's crosshairs dangling in the wind:

    The proposal would exempt organizations that have more than 1 million members, have been in existence for more than 10 years, have members in all 50 states and raise 15 percent or less of their funds from corporations. Democrats say the new language would apply to only the NRA, since no other organization would qualify under these specific provisions. The NRA, with 4 million members, will not actively oppose the DISCLOSE Act, according to Democratic sources.

    The exemption for a huge group like the NRA is sure to outrage smaller special-interest groups [like Gun Owners of America].

We are in a political war, and our opponents are trying to change the rules of the game by gagging those groups that are their political enemies.  Some might say that the requirement to disclose our membership is not a gag rule, but it most certainly is.  Gun Owners of America will NOT do anything that would jeopardize the privacy of our members!

Gun owners know the dangers of being registered, as it has often proven to be the first step towards gun confiscation -- which, by the way, is why it's lamentable that the management of the NRA is selling out its members for the proverbial bowl of pottage.  (Go to http://tinyurl.com/2uw9sm9 to see what a leading Capitol Hill blog has written about this sell-out.)

We're positive that regular members of the NRA would never want this to happen -- where all the other pro-gun organizations (like GOA) that are fighting to protect our rights would be gagged, while special favors are cut for one group in particular.

We stand shoulder to shoulder with NRA and all the other pro-gun groups when they are fighting to defend our Second Amendment freedoms.  We all have to stick together if we are going to win these battles.

We're not sure who is making the decisions over at the NRA headquarters... but this type of thing would have never happened in the past, and we're positive that the NRA membership would not be happy with it.  This cannot stand! 
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Re: NRA campaign-finance exemption sparks criticism
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2010, 07:26:41 AM »
I urge everyone to call the Idiots at NRA and tell them no deal.

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Re: NRA campaign-finance exemption sparks criticism
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2010, 08:49:34 AM »
Sounds to me like GOA is trying to drum up some memberships! As long as they attack the NRA, I will not join them! The NRA was around looking out for gun rights long before this bunch decided they could get rich at it! Trying to divide the gun owners is not what we need!
        So far that is about all they have done!  I think they smell the money and don’t give a damn for gun rights!
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Re: NRA campaign-finance exemption sparks criticism
« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2010, 12:12:52 PM »
Sounds to me like GOA is trying to drum up some memberships! As long as they attack the NRA, I will not join them! The NRA was around looking out for gun rights long before this bunch decided they could get rich at it! Trying to divide the gun owners is not what we need!
        So far that is about all they have done!  I think they smell the money and don’t give a damn for gun rights!
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You don't have to take GOA's word on it! This has nothing to do with the GOA or any other gun rights group, but the NRA. The NRA has been infiltrated by gun grabbers for some time now, and members need to get their heads out, and demand they get back on track.

The NRA could once again be a great champion of freedom for  gun owners in America, but not as long as members ignore their compromising legislation. All the other gun rights groups stand united, but for some reason the NRA wants to stand alone.
Do you think the NRA should be granted free speech, but other well meaning groups be gagged?

It sounds like you do.



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Re: NRA campaign-finance exemption sparks criticism
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2010, 12:43:15 PM »
Maybe NRA is feeling some heat too. I would hope they wouldn't fall into the trap of seeking a special exception then abandoning everybody else. They could find their special exception disappearing very quickly some time hence.

I just received this statement from the NRA:

Statement From The National Rifle
Association On H.R. 5175, The Disclose Act
The National Rifle Association believes that any restrictions on the political speech of Americans are unconstitutional.

In the past, through the courts and in Congress, the NRA has opposed any effort to restrict the rights of its four million members to speak and have their voices heard on behalf of gun owners nationwide.

The NRA's opposition to restrictions on political speech includes its May 26, 2010 letter to Members of Congress expressing strong concerns about H.R. 5175, the DISCLOSE Act. As it stood at the time of that letter, the measure would have undermined or obliterated virtually all of the NRA's right to free political speech and, therefore, jeopardized the Second Amendment rights of every law-abiding American.

The most potent defense of the Second Amendment requires the most adamant exercise of the First Amendment. The NRA stands absolutely obligated to its members to ensure maximum access to the First Amendment, in order to protect and preserve the freedom of the Second Amendment.

The NRA must preserve its ability to speak. It cannot risk a strategy that would deny its rights, for the Second Amendment cannot be defended without them.

Thus, the NRA's first obligation must be to its members and to its most ardent defense of firearms freedom for America's lawful gun owners.

On June 14, 2010, Democratic leadership in the U.S. House of Representatives pledged that H.R. 5175 would be amended to exempt groups like the NRA, that meet certain criteria, from its onerous restrictions on political speech. As a result, and as long as that remains the case, the NRA will not be involved in final consideration of the House bill.

The NRA cannot defend the Second Amendment from the attacks we face in the local, state, federal, international and judicial arenas without the ability to speak. We will not allow ourselves to be silenced while the national news media, politicians and others are allowed to attack us freely.

The NRA will continue to fight for its right to speak out in defense of the Second Amendment. Any efforts to silence the political speech of NRA members will, as has been the case in the past, be met with strong opposition.

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Re: NRA campaign-finance exemption sparks criticism
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2010, 12:49:46 PM »
The NRA will eventually agree to anything the antis want. They always have. The antis know the NRA is their friend not their foe.


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Re: NRA campaign-finance exemption sparks criticism
« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2010, 03:14:42 PM »
That sad sack bunch (NRA leadership) aint no better than the scum making the laws.
What are leading the sheep will see the removal of freedoms as well as guns.
Greedy Idiots, pure and simple.

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Re: NRA campaign-finance exemption sparks criticism
« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2010, 04:43:35 PM »
You guys still don't get it... WE NEED THE NRA!  How do I know?  They told me so...

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« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2010, 06:22:47 PM »
Yeah they told me too.  :o I just didn't believe them.  ::)


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Re: NRA campaign-finance exemption sparks criticism
« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2010, 06:31:12 PM »
I urge everyone to call the Idiots at NRA and tell them no deal.

Good luck with that a hour on hold on the phone no answer, hung up ,called back, picked the option were you join answered by a person on second ring. You cannot contact the NRA unless you are joining or buying some of the crap they sell from now on on more NRA here just GOA and Second amendment foundation. The NRA has made its last compromise at my expense.
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Re: NRA campaign-finance exemption sparks criticism
« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2010, 05:12:59 AM »
I am not happy with what is going on with the NRA, but I will not throw our the baby with the bath water. Instead of bashing the NRA, lets take action. The GOA has a great program going on. It is time to react instead of doing what Obama does by pointing fingers. Here is a link to get some action started, as well as contacting the NRA and letting them know how unhappy we are with there actions. I have had over 3000 people here in Delaware flood the NRA with there feelings on this issue, as well as there support for Harry Reid. Either they change there direction, or risk the chance of loosing there membership.

Now instead of turning this thread into a (P) contest, lets work together to make real changes, and pass this link on to everyone you know and make calls to the NRA as well as e-mails.

Click on this URL to take action now, or cut and past it to your Web browser.
http://capwiz.com/gunowners/utr/2/?a=15151911&i=91718625&c=

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Re: NRA campaign-finance exemption sparks criticism
« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2010, 11:39:43 AM »
I understand what you are saying Alex and believe me I have tried. The NRA will not listen to the membership they like the politicians in DC feel they are above us and know better than we do what's good for us.

I tried and tried to get the NRA to listen and pay attention to the membership. It fell on deaf ears. They won't even talk to the membership anymore. Sadly I've given up on them as hopeless. I applaud your efforts but I feel that like my efforts they will wind up only frustrating you with the NRA as I can see from your latest post you are beginning to feel my frustration with them.

Until Wayne LaPierre is gone the NRA will never again be a friend of gun owners I fear. I'm not even sure that alone would do it now as the entire management to include the Directors seem to be in line with him now. Since the death of Neal Knox those of us who don't agree with the direction they are going now have no voice inside that can be heard.

There are folks on the Board of Directors you'd think would understand and not put up with it but sadly they seem to be towing the line as well. It's just a reflection of what the politicians are doing or so it seems to me. I reached my maximum frustration level with them long ago and have been speaking out to folks about them trying to wake folks up to the wrong direction they are taking rather than trying to talk to the NRA as they long ago stopped listening.


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« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2010, 12:43:51 PM »
NRA kind of reminds you of those so called "conservative" republicans eh?

When one door closes, a new one opens.  Time to open another door.

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Re: NRA campaign-finance exemption sparks criticism
« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2010, 04:49:06 AM »
I am not happy with what is going on with the NRA, but I will not throw our the baby with the bath water. Instead of bashing the NRA, lets take action. The GOA has a great program going on. It is time to react instead of doing what Obama does by pointing fingers. Here is a link to get some action started, as well as contacting the NRA and letting them know how unhappy we are with there actions. I have had over 3000 people here in Delaware flood the NRA with there feelings on this issue, as well as there support for Harry Reid. Either they change there direction, or risk the chance of loosing there membership.

Now instead of turning this thread into a (P) contest, lets work together to make real changes, and pass this link on to everyone you know and make calls to the NRA as well as e-mails.

Click on this URL to take action now, or cut and past it to your Web browser.
http://capwiz.com/gunowners/utr/2/?a=15151911&i=91718625&c=

Thanks for the support

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Just received this from the GOA!
Threat to Free Speech Lights a Fire in the Grassroots

-- Vote has been temporarily postponed; keep up the heat!

Gun Owners of America E-Mail Alert
8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151
Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408
www.gunowners.org

 

“[T]he NRA -- on whose board of directors I serve -- rather than holding steadfastly to its historic principles of defending the Constitution and continuing its noble fight against government regulation of political speech instead opted for a political deal borne of self-interest in exchange for ‘neutrality’ from the legislation's requirements.”

-- NRA Director Cleta Mitchell, June 17, 2010

Thursday, June 17, 2010

The above quote -- part of an editorial authored by NRA Director Cleta Mitchell -- ran in The Washington Post today.

Like Mitchell, bloggers and editorial writers around the country have lit up the Internet with the story that we have been alerting you to over the past 48 hours. Here are just some of the headlines:

* “The NRA sells out to Democrats on the First Amendment,” The Wall Street Journal

* “Conservatives take on the NRA over deal on disclosure bill,” The Washington Post

* “The National Rifle Association’s Excuse Holds No Water,” RedState.org

The conservative movement (and to be honest, many liberal organizations as well) are coming together to loudly protest the DISCLOSE Act -- legislation that threatens to gag our ability to effectively hold individual congressmen accountable in the days and weeks leading up to an election.

It is imperative that we continue hammering the Congress. But rather than cry “uncle,” liberal Democrats are now trying to buy off more groups with an exemption for those that have at least 500,000 members (rather than the higher threshold of one million, which would have applied to few groups other than the NRA).

Of course, how is the government going to know how many members an organization has? According to the legislation, each organization will have to certify to a government commission how many members they have. But what if the commission wants documentation; will the organization have to “disclose” the names of their members?

GOA, of course, will never do this. Furthermore, you should know that your Gun Owners of America can NOT be bought off. We will continue opposing this bill on principle, urging all gun groups to stick together in this fight. As we stated yesterday, we realize that: “We must all hang together, or we will all hang separately.”

GOA applauds NRA Director Cleta Mitchell for the courageous stand she took today. (You can read her editorial here.) We hope that the NRA leadership will heed her wisdom and take a stand against this bill. If they don’t, we wouldn’t be surprised if NRA members start demanding a change in their leadership. After all, the NRA has engaged in many good fights over the years, and it would be a shame to lose this VERY IMPORTANT battle because high-ranking staff led the NRA down the wrong path.
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Re: NRA campaign-finance exemption sparks criticism
« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2010, 10:09:27 AM »
I got this from the former President of the NRA today John Sigler.

Here is the rest of the story........


Through the courts and in Congress, the NRA has consistently and strongly
opposed any effort to restrict the rights of our four million members to
speak and have their voices heard on behalf of gun owners nationwide.

The NRA clearly stated our strong opposition to the DISCLOSE Act in a letter
sent to Members of Congress on May 26.  This bill would put a gag order on
the NRA.  We believe it is unconstitutional and we oppose it.

The NRA provides critical firearms training for our Armed Forces and law
enforcement throughout the country.  The DISCLOSE Act would force us to
choose between training our men and women in uniform and exercising our
right to free political speech.  We refuse to let this Congress force us to
make that choice.

In addition, the DISCLOSE Act would force us to turn our donor lists over to
the federal government and list our top donors on all TV ads; Radio ads;
Internet ads; and election mailings.  We refuse to let this Congress impose
those unconstitutional restrictions on our Association.

Is it worth us having to live under all this just to protect the First
Amendment rights of other groups?  We don't think so.  The NRA did not "sell
out" to Nancy Pelosi or anyone else.  We told Congress that we oppose this
bill.  As a result, congressional leadership said they would amend the bill
to exempt us from its draconian restrictions on free speech.  If we are
exempted from this bill, we will not be involved in its final consideration
in the House.   If we are not, we will strongly oppose it.

Unfortunately, some friends -- even within our own family -- have suggested
that this was an unprincipled approach.  Sadly, they are guided by a
different principle -- their own and not the NRA's.

There are those who say the NRA has a greater duty to principle than to gun
rights.  It's easy to say we should put the Second Amendment at risk over
some so-called First Amendment principle -- unless you work for the National
Rifle Association and are sworn to defend the Second Amendment above all
else.

We will not risk our Association or our members being silenced.  And make no
mistake about it -- if this Congress eliminates the NRA's ability to speak,
it will go after the entire Second Amendment.

During consideration of the previous campaign finance speech restriction
bill several years ago, congressional leadership repeatedly refused to
exempt the NRA from its provisions, promising that our concerns would be
fixed somewhere down the line.  That didn't happen; instead, the NRA had to
live under those restrictions for seven years.  We will not go down that
road again when we have an opportunity to be exempted from an
unconstitutional bill that prohibits our ability to speak.

The NRA is a bipartisan, single-issue organization made up of millions of
individual members dedicated to the protection of the Second Amendment.  We
do not represent the interests of other organizations.  That's their
responsibility.  Our responsibility is to protect and defend the interests
of our members.  And that we do without apology.


Draconian Speech Restrictions in the House DISCLOSE Act --

Would prohibit any organization that has one $50,000 or higher contract with
the federal government from engaging in political speech (bill language as
introduced)

Would require NRA to list top donor and top 5 donors on all election mass
mailings, no exception for member mail

Would require NRA to put CEO and top donor on all robocalls, no exception
for member calls

Would require NRA to put CEO and top 5 donors on all election TV ads

Would require NRA to put CEO and top 2 donors on all election radio ads

Would require NRA to put CEO and top donors on all internet election ads
that we pay to put on other websites

Would require NRA to disclose all donors $600 and higher to FEC for all
independent expenditures

Would require NRA to disclose all donors $1,000 and higher to FEC for all
electioneering communications

Would require NRA to put a hyperlink on its website within 24 hours after
FEC posts electioneering reports to the exact FEC page where NRA's report
appears and keep link live for one year after election day

For donors who don't want their contributions spent on campaign activity,
would require the NRA CFO to certify to them in writing within 30 days of
their donation that their money wasn't spent on campaign activity

I hope you will find this to be helpful,
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Re: NRA campaign-finance exemption sparks criticism
« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2010, 10:20:11 AM »
If you lose one area of freedom you lose the other. The second amendment cannot exist without the first.
To protect the second you have to protect the Constitution.

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Re: NRA campaign-finance exemption sparks criticism
« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2010, 10:31:28 AM »
Is it worth us having to live under all this just to protect the First
Amendment rights of other groups?  We don't think so.  The NRA did not "sell
out" to Nancy Pelosi or anyone else.  We told Congress that we oppose this
bill.  As a result, congressional leadership said they would amend the bill
to exempt us from its draconian restrictions on free speech.  If we are
exempted from this bill, we will not be involved in its final consideration
in the House.   If we are not, we will strongly oppose it.

Unfortunately, some friends -- even within our own family -- have suggested
that this was an unprincipled approach.  Sadly, they are guided by a
different principle -- their own and not the NRA's.
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They said it was an unprincipled approach because it......... "IS".
I think they are guided by principles period, and the NRA leaders are not. (They), like our elected reps in Dc are not listening to their members and constituents.

The NRA should put it to a vote by mail from their members, and see how the American gun owners feel about it. They would never do it, because they know what the outcome would be.

What they are going along with is "wrong" pure and simple! I was a member of the NRA, and would support them again if and when they expel these pukes like Wayne L. and get back to defending the 2nd.
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Re: NRA campaign-finance exemption sparks criticism
« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2010, 11:05:03 AM »
NRA? Hmmmmmm NATIONAL REPUBLICAN ALLEGIANCE?  ???
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Re: NRA campaign-finance exemption sparks criticism
« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2010, 11:48:48 AM »
I urge everyone to call the Idiots at NRA and tell them no deal.

Good luck with that a hour on hold on the phone no answer, hung up ,called back, picked the option were you join answered by a person on second ring. You cannot contact the NRA unless you are joining or buying some of the crap they sell from now on on more NRA here just GOA and Second amendment foundation. The NRA has made its last compromise at my expense.

Just wait for them to call you asking for money happens all the time at home ! ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2010, 03:40:08 PM »
Thats why I never bought a life membership and they didn't get my dues this time, not to say I won't join again.
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« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2010, 04:26:32 PM »
They've been trying to get me to renew my membership for over a year now. Before it expired, all they wanted was cash contributions, and to sell me somethin. If they had spent all our money fighting for gun rights instead of spending it on hunting trips, expensive dinners, and MAILOUTS, they wouldn't need cash contributions. But if you look at them in realistic terms, their LOBBISTS, a voter worst enemy, just like all the other LOBBISTS in D.C.
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« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2010, 06:47:48 PM »
Fifty Caliber Institute Newsletter
 Issue 3; Volume 5

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Checkers, Chess or Politics a la Mister Spock?
EXAMINING NRA’s RESPONSE to DISCLOSE ACT
By John C. Sigler, President, FCI

Editor’s Note: (FCI normally restricts all newsletters to the subject of fifty caliber related matters. However, sometimes there are issues that impact all law abiding firearms owners significantly and we feel the discussion taking place right now regarding the Disclose Act-H.R. 5175 is one of those issues. The Fifty Caliber Institute (FCI) and our Board of Directors are all strong supporters of the National Rifle Association (NRA) and for the good work they do. This newsletter is an attempt to provide our supporters with another view of the discussion.-john burtt, chmn-FCI)

Much has been written (and is still being written) about NRA’s response to the so-called "DISCLOSE ACT", H.R. 5175 that is being discussed in Washington, DC on Capital Hill. Much of it has been false, misleading, inaccurate and in some cases insulting. Much of it has been intentionally designed to damage NRA in a year when NRA’s political clout will be sorely needed if sanity is to be restored to the halls of Congress.

On May 26, 2010, Chris Cox, the Executive Director of the NRA’s Institute for Legislative Action, sent a letter to Congress clearly expressing its opposition to HR. 5175 on both practical and First Amendment grounds. That opposition was based in part upon the fact that H.R. 5175, as introduced, would:

Prohibit any organization that has a $50,000 or higher, contract with the US government from engaging in political speech - remember NRA trains federal law enforcement and military members.
Require NRA to list top donor and top five donors on all election mass mailings, including member mailings.
Require NRA to put CEO and top donor on all "robocalls", no exception for member calls
Require NRA to put CEO and top five donors on all election TV ads
Require NRA to put CEO and top two donors on all election radio ads
Require NRA to put CEO and top donors on all internet election paid internet ads that appear on outside web sites
Require NRA to disclose all donors of $600 or more to FEC for all independent expenditures
Require NRA to disclose all donors of $1,000 or more to FEC for all electioneering communications
Require NRA to engage in several other activities specifically designed to stifle electioneering activity and drive up the cost of engaging in political activity.
NRA has never said that it would support any version of H.R. 5175. However, now that NRA has been exempted there is no further need for NRA to actively oppose the bill - and therein lays the controversy, I suppose. While that controversy has been widely criticized by others who consider themselves either partisan allies of NRA, sister organizations, or others who were hoping to use NRA’s political influence and clout to their own ends, it has also begotten the ire and wrath of those in Congress whose hatred for NRA is such that they now say they will not vote for the bill if NRA is exempted - i.e., those loyal to the Brady Campaign and others. - Remember, the avowed purpose of the first campaign finance law (McCain-Feingold) was to "silence NRA".
To those who are claiming H.R. 5175 as an "NRA sell out": Simply put, there was no sell out. And to suggest that there was a "sell out" is to either deny the facts or not be aware of the facts.

On the contrary, NRA does not and will not actively support H.R. 5175, in any form. "But that’s just more political semantics", you say? Well, if you are a checker player maybe it is. But, if you are a "Spock-level" chess player, it is far from simple semantics.

Chris Cox and his staff have but one loyalty and that is to protect and defend the rights of law-abiding Americans to keep and bear arms, and to position NRA so as to be an effective advocate for firearms freedom in America. Neither they nor NRA are allowed to be partisans or to tie NRA’s ability to successfully execute its mission to any other group, organization or cause. NRA is and remains a single issue organization - its Bylaws require absolute fealty to that principle.

Before you criticize NRA for understanding that this isn’t your grandpa’s checker game or even your college dean’s chess game, you need to thank them for treating this as an extremely complex exercise more akin to Mister Spock’s three dimensional chess. A chess game demanding a very sophisticated and highly intellectual approach to the very serious problem at hand. We ask you to examine the facts and watch what happens in Congress over the next several weeks and months. Don’t be fooled or misled. Wait until all of the facts are in; watch how NRA’s "Mister Spock" (Chris Cox) moves the various pieces on the political game board we call Congress; and understand that if NRA wins, all gun owners and all those who believe in the entire Bill of Rights - including the First Amendment, will ultimately win.

The stakes are high - nothing less than the ultimate survival of American freedom is at stake.
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Re: NRA campaign-finance exemption sparks criticism
« Reply #23 on: June 18, 2010, 10:02:20 PM »
That didnot clarify anything for me.
It did leave me with a thought.  Get in the bed with the devil and you'll wake up in hell. :o

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Re: NRA campaign-finance exemption sparks criticism
« Reply #24 on: June 18, 2010, 11:15:33 PM »
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Re: NRA campaign-finance exemption sparks criticism
« Reply #25 on: June 19, 2010, 02:41:20 AM »
NRA-ILA GRASSROOTS ALERT
Vol. 17, No. 24      06/18/10
Statement From NRA-ILA Executive Director
Chris W. Cox On H.R. 5175, The "DISCLOSE Act"
 
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I appreciate the concerns that some NRA members have raised regarding our position on H.R. 5175, the "DISCLOSE Act."  Regrettably, our position has been misstated by some and intentionally misrepresented by others.  I hope you'll allow me to provide the proper context.

The U.S. Supreme Court's Citizens United decision was a significant victory for free speech and the Constitution. The NRA filed a strong brief in that case, which the Court specifically cited several times in its opinion.  The DISCLOSE Act is an attempt to reverse that victory and that's why we told Congress we oppose it.

The NRA has never supported -- nor would we ever support -- any version of this bill.  Those who suggest otherwise are wrong.

The restrictions in this bill should not apply to anyone or to any organization. My job is to ensure they don't apply to the NRA and our members.  Without the NRA, the Second Amendment will be lost and I will do everything in my power to prevent that.

We believe that any restriction on political speech is repugnant. But some of our critics believe we should put the Second Amendment at risk over a First Amendment principle to protect other organizations. That's easy to say -- unless you have a sworn duty to protect the Second Amendment above all else, as I do. 

The NRA is a single-issue organization made up of millions of individual members dedicated to protecting the Second Amendment. We do not represent the interests of other organizations.  Nor do all groups fight all issues together.  For example, we didn't support the U.S. Chamber of Commerce when it backed amnesty for tens of millions of illegal aliens and we did not join the Chamber in its support of President Obama's stimulus bill.  And we've been in direct opposition when the Chamber has tried to restrict Second Amendment rights in publicly accessible parking lots. 

Rather than focusing on opposing this bill, some have encouraged people to blame the NRA for this Congress's unconstitutional attack on free speech. That's a shame. If you oppose this bill, I hope you will contact your Member of Congress and Senators so they can hear from you.

 

Statement From David Keene, NRA First
Vice-President On H.R. 5175, The "DISCLOSE Act"

I have been an NRA Board member for some years and currently serve as NRA's First Vice-President -- that you may know.  What you may not know is that I have been in the forefront of the fight against liberal attempts to tilt the political playing field their way for decades through what they like to call campaign finance reform.  This is a battle that began in the seventies when I put together the case that went to the United States Supreme Court known as Buckley v. Valeo.  I was a vocal opponent of the so-called McCain-Feingold "reforms" that shackled groups like the NRA in recent years, and I have served as a First Amendment Fellow at Vanderbilt University's Freedom Forum.

I can assure you that I would never countenance a "deal" of the sort you think the NRA made with Congress to further Democratic attempts to restrict political speech.  I consider such restrictions to be not only repugnant, but blatantly unconstitutional, an opinion shared by NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre and Institute for Legislative Action Executive Director Chris Cox.

The so-called "DISCLOSE ACT" is a horrible piece of legislation designed to do exactly what you suggest.  It would require advocacy groups to run a regulatory gauntlet designed to make it very difficult for many of them to play the role for which they were formed and is both bad policy and flies in the face of recent Supreme Court decisions.

But I'm afraid there's more . particularly how it would affect the NRA.  When you think of the NRA you no doubt think mostly about the NRA's advocacy on Second Amendment issues, but the NRA also provides training to its members, law enforcement and military personnel, works with states, counties and private organizations to build ranges and runs competitive events such as those at Camp Perry in Ohio.  Since Camp Perry is a military base, public monies go into range development and federal funds go to training military and police personnel, the NRA would be classed with government contractors and TARP recipients under the DISCLOSE ACT as originally written and effectively prohibited from engaging in any meaningful political activity.

In other words, this act as originally written by anti-gun legislators like New York Senator Chuck Schumer would have silenced the NRA .which would have been the death knell for the Second Amendment.

NRA has one major mission . to defend the right of its members and all Americans to Keep & Bear Arms as guaranteed by the Second Amendment.  Therefore, the NRA served notice on Congress that since the act threatened our very existence, we were prepared to do anything and everything that might be required to defeat it unless it was changed so that we could continue to represent the views of our members in the public arena.  The letter, sent on May 26, was public.  The NRA did not engage in back room shenanigans, but told Congressional leaders quite clearly that we would do whatever we needed to do to protect the rights of our members and our ability to defend the Second Amendment.

Last week Democratic leadership in the House capitulated by agreeing to exempt the NRA from the act -- not in return for NRA support, but to avoid a political war that might cost them even more seats this fall.

I have to tell you that I never thought the Democrats would agree to this -- not because they have much regard for constitutional rights -- because I didn't believe their left wing would allow it.  The events since their capitulation convince me that their fear of NRA retaliation forced them to take steps that split their coalition and could easily doom the whole bill.

Consider this: on Thursday night, California Senator Diane Feinstein, one of the most anti-Second Amendment members of the Senate, announced that she wouldn't support the DISCLOSE ACT if it exempted the NRA.  By Friday some two-dozen left wing activist groups that had previously been pressing Congress to pass the bill announced that now they wanted it defeated.

The bottom line is that in refusing to risk its members' rights and the very survival of the Second Amendment, the NRA has also made it less rather than more likely that support for this terrible legislation will collapse and the free speech rights of every one of us will benefit.

 
Setting The Record Straight On The "DISCLOSE Act"
We appreciate the concerns some NRA members have raised about our position on H.R. 5175, the "DISCLOSE Act."  Unfortunately, the mainstream media and other critics of NRA's role in this process have misstated or misunderstood the facts.  We'd like to set the record straight.

We have never said we would support any version of this bill.  To the contrary, we clearly stated NRA's strong opposition to the DISCLOSE Act (as introduced) in a letter sent to Members of Congress on May 26 (click here to read the letter). 

Through the courts and in Congress, the NRA has consistently and strongly opposed any effort to restrict the rights of our four million members to speak and have their voices heard on behalf of gun owners nationwide.  The initial version of H.R. 5175 would effectively have put a gag order on the NRA during elections and threatened our members' right to privacy and freedom of association, by forcing us to turn our donor lists over to the federal government.  We would also have been forced to list our top donors on all election-related television, radio and Internet ads and mailings -- even mailings to our own members.  We refuse to let this Congress impose those unconstitutional restrictions on our Association.

The introduced version of the bill would also have prohibited political speech by all federal government contractors.  The NRA has contracts to provide critical firearm training for our Armed Forces and law enforcement agencies throughout the country.  The bill would have forced us to choose between training our men and women in uniform and exercising our right to free political speech. We refused to let this Congress force us to make that choice.

We told Congress we opposed the bill.  Consequently, congressional leaders announced they would exempt us from its draconian restrictions on political speech.  If that happens, we will not be involved in final consideration of this bill in the House.  If it doesn't, we will strongly oppose the bill.

Our position is based on principle and experience.  During consideration of the previous campaign finance legislation passed in 2002, congressional leadership repeatedly refused to exempt the NRA from its provisions, promising that our concerns would be fixed somewhere down the line.  That didn't happen; instead, the NRA had to live under those restrictions for seven years and spend millions of dollars on compliance costs and on legal fees to challenge the law.  We will not go down that road again when we have an opportunity to protect our ability to speak.

There are those who say the NRA should put the Second Amendment at risk over a First Amendment principle. That's easy to say -- unless you have a sworn duty to protect the Second Amendment above all else, as we do.

The NRA is a non-partisan, single-issue organization made up of millions of individual members dedicated to the protection of the Second Amendment.  We do not represent the interests of other organizations.  That's their responsibility.  Our responsibility is to protect and defend the interests of our members.  And that we do without apology.

Today, the fate of the bill remains in doubt.  The House floor debate has repeatedly been postponed.  Lawmakers and outside groups who once supported the bill, or took no position -- including the Brady Campaign -- have now come out against it because of the announcement regarding NRA. The outcome in the Senate is even murkier, as anti-gun Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) has announced her strong opposition to the proposed change.

No matter what may happen now, NRA members can be assured that protection of gun owners' interests will remain NRA's top priority.  Please check in regularly at www.NRAILA.org for the latest news on this issue.

 
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Re: NRA campaign-finance exemption sparks criticism
« Reply #26 on: June 19, 2010, 03:12:51 AM »
It would seem to me that the NRA has progressively moved toward where many churches have moved. Becoming 501C3. You can be pro Christ, and vote, but you can't talk about the government in your church. Same way with the NRA. You can be pro gun, and vote, and have your little meetings, but you can't talk about the government. Same principle.
This country in the beginning, was announced, pronounced, and preached, from the pulpits of freedom and God His own self. The NRA has sold out freedom for a little temporary security. Thank you Mr. Franklin, for your prophecy of wisdom, and things to come.
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Re: NRA campaign-finance exemption sparks criticism
« Reply #27 on: June 19, 2010, 04:29:57 AM »
Birds of a feather, flock together.  

An invading army is on the horizon. They are intent on destroying your refuge, a refuge supported by 27 columns and strong solid supports laid down years before by those that understood strength and the value of the refuge and its freedoms.
The leaders of the invaders come to you and make a deal.  Take your column, you have been assigned to protect and keep it, we won’t destroy it  but you must not attempt to stop us from destroying the others.
The bombarding is relentless. You stand by and watch because your column is safe. You even meet with the leaders ( Harry Ried and others). They support you so you parade them around and tell others how good they are.  You break bread with them, love them.
The bombarding continues as other columns fall but you are safe with the leaders.
Then one day there is a loud clap as thunder…………..
Ill say no more.