Author Topic: The Right of Israel to Exist (Read 4119 times)

Dee · « **Reply #30 on:** June 18, 2010, 01:00:59 PM »

If you truly believe what you say you believe, TRULY! Then you know what HE meant, at the end of His "Sermon on the Mount", when He said what He said, in Mathew Chapter 7 verse 6, about the rebuttals you are volunteering here, and you will realize it is ground already plowed, in a field that will not grow. There are other fields where the soil is fertile, and is waiting, and wanting the plow.

Empty Quiver · « **Reply #31 on:** June 18, 2010, 02:01:16 PM »

Like the rest of this world their boundaries go right up to the distance they are capable of projecting power. This has been and will continue to be how borders are established and held. All of the philosophical debate has gotten us a lot of dead Israelis and Palestinians. In time one will defeat the other and it will end, nobody is going to be talked out of this.

I'm not trying to be cute here. There is no legal boundary that can be agreed to by both parties. That fact has been demonstrated for the better part of seventy years. In my mind the problem is that both parties are correct in there beliefs.

Dee · « **Reply #32 on:** June 18, 2010, 03:13:31 PM »

The disagreement has been going on for more like 6,000 years. It will eventually be settled once and for all, and only one party is right, and right in the "end" will prevail. The "end" is what is impossible to determine.

FourBee · « **Reply #33 on:** June 18, 2010, 06:49:08 PM »

scootrd ; Those boundries you show are what Israel is trying to maintain legally, and they will defend them fiercely right up to the point of annihilation.

At that time, God miraculously will cause a remnant of Israel to flee into the wilderness where he will protect them while the world continues to engage in the most horrific war of all times, and God will judge the world there at the battle of Armageddon.

When it's all over there'll be no government leaderships to claim any bounderies in the entire region. Then will Israel take possession of the land within the bounderies God has established for them, for man's presence in that region will be a rare and welcome site indeed.

ironglow · « **Reply #34 on:** June 19, 2010, 12:53:22 AM »

Speaking of "Armageddon"...has everyone noticed how often the term is applied to by secular (and uninformed) fiction writers, to describe something totally different and unrelated to the real Armageddon ?

As Dee said though, we are likely at best, sowing seeds upon stoney ground..

Dee · « **Reply #35 on:** June 19, 2010, 03:20:35 AM »

Then why tire the horse, and waste the seed, when you know it will not grow? To preach to willing listeners is good. To debate with scorners is not. To preach is thru belief. To debate, is to justify, to the scorners, when justification is not necessary, and actually causes doubt, to the already doubter.
The dust from your sandals and walk on.

williamlayton · « **Reply #36 on:** June 19, 2010, 04:21:09 AM »

Dee
With all respects--we are too sow until the end.
We do not know what words water or plant. God's word does not return void and others also read these words--wheather or not they respond here.
I fear not death. There is no death for the believer or unbeliever--The Spirit is eternal in Heaven or Hell.
Yea, I walk thru the valley of the SHADOW of death.
Blessings

beerbelly · « **Reply #37 on:** June 19, 2010, 04:47:02 AM »

From what I see the Christian religion is dieing out. Obama was right when he said we are not a Christian nation. We were a Christian nation back in the dark ages when I was a kid. At that time they had enough power , so that we had the blue laws. That is that most business had to close on Sunday. Usually one drug store was exempt.
Well look around now, Sunday is just another shopping day.
There are a lot of people that say they are Christians but do not practice the religion. I have watched church after church fold up and die over the last fifty years. The same is true around the world, in many country's the Catholic church has allowed the natives to mix their beliefs with church teachings in order to get and keep members. most of it is as far from being Christian as you can get. More voodoo than Christian.
While I am not a believer, I do not think this is a good thing for us. Because as Christianity shrinks the Moslem religion is growing and for us that is bad news
Beerbelly

williamlayton · « **Reply #38 on:** June 19, 2010, 05:41:33 AM »

Beerbelly
I don't know where to begin--too much incorrectness.
Isarel--the nation--was never protected by God. God gave the land to believers, not just a race.
The US--as a nation--is not the church. Believers are the church and come under the protection of the second Covenant.
God made the Covenant--there are not co-signers of this treaty. Believers are protected because they believe not because of keeping the law--which no one can.
Just as in Israel, there were believers and non-believers. Spiritual Jews and fleshly Jews.
Some could hear and see--some cannot.
If you are holding up "I cannot" as a warning too God, is it perhaps a pleading that you wish too. It is just a confession away if it is truth and not fire insurance.
God knows His and He knows who are illegitmate.
Prayers are being offered up in your behalf. We are concerned but all we can do is pray and hope that you will listen for God.
Blessings

powderman · « **Reply #39 on:** June 19, 2010, 05:13:02 PM »

BEERBELLY. Praying for you friend.
IG, DEE. Doesn't matter how rocky it is keep sowing those seeds. I reckon you've never seen grass come up in a crack in the sidewalk or highyway, or the side of a rocky cliff

Keep sowing and water regularly. POWDERMAN.

ironglow · « **Reply #40 on:** June 20, 2010, 03:39:10 AM »

Beerbelly;
  William gave you some "straight talk". God doesn't relate to the nations as we often do, in a land-bound, geographical setting. Although he did promise Israel a specific area he doesn't always mean such in all arrangements. God promised both Isaac (the legitimate son) and Ishmael (the illegitimate one) that they would sire great nations..speaking in numbers.
  Surely, you can find areas where some, calling themselves Christians have done stupid acts, horiffic crimes, warped the pure faith and made all kinds of mistakes. Just keep in mind, whether a huge criminal or minor one..they can call themselves a Democrat, Republican, believer, unbeliever, vegetarian, Hindu, Jew, Buddhist, Muslim or follower of Zoroaster..they may think of themselves as they wish, doesn't mean they are right or following the precepts.
  We have a book, the Bible, which sets God's standard. For Christians, the New Covenant is our standard. when a Christian departs from that standard, he/she is departing that far, from their faith..others should not follow them there. That is why familiarity with the Bible is imperative ! There is only ONE CHURCH, the one established by Jesus..denominations are "man made" things and have brought in many mistakes due to heirarchies wanting to assert their "authority"..a big mistake..IMO. Jesus washed feet to demonstrate that there should be none dominating others in HIS church..some denominations can, and do..get off course.
  You seem to think some "churches" place scare tactic rules in place to scare people into line. Heirarchies, or cult leaders do that !
  Jesus Himself said.."You shall know the truth, and the truth will set you free". Knowing Jesus as lord and Savior does indeed set one free; free to live a decent life, pursue honesty, find happiness and many other things. Jesus established just one church..men made denominations. A building, organization or iompressive edifices are not "the church". The church lives in the hearts of those who truly love and follow Christ.
   Beerbelly, your heart may well not be made of stone, but your hide could be hard and crusty from some abuses done to you or those you love. Just as you don't refuse the real currency even after having been stuck with a counterfiet $20..the real Jesus is still ready to forgive and welcome home.

Dee · « **Reply #41 on:** June 20, 2010, 03:55:26 AM »

Mark Chapter 6 verse 11. Luke Chapter 9 verse 5.

FourBee · « **Reply #42 on:** June 20, 2010, 03:56:57 AM »

Wow; Beerbelly ! These gentlemen have poured from their minds their heart felt sentiments to you in their desire to help you break the chains of bondage that so easily attack all of us. What better friends could you ask for ?

powderman · « **Reply #43 on:** June 20, 2010, 05:09:26 AM »

FOURBEE. You are right, Beerbelly is our friend. Theres nothing so prescious as a mans soul. Charlie.

blind ear · « **Reply #44 on:** June 20, 2010, 06:06:26 AM »

Beerbelly is the one who isn't bound, he is free to think whatever he wishes knowing there is no reprisal other than his accountability to himself. He is not bound by fear.

The proof of lifes begennings is in the rocks. Sedimentary rocks from ages back when there was no life and the fossile records to the present. Over 5 billion years of time things don't have to happen quickly and they didn't. The explinations have been presented by Darwin, Richard Dawkins and many others.

If a persons mind is blocked and locked not to allow any alternate possible thoughts, no matter the logic, nothing else matters.

eddiegjr

dukkillr · « **Reply #45 on:** June 20, 2010, 08:53:20 AM »

Quote from: eddiegjr on June 20, 2010, 06:06:26 AM

If a persons mind is blocked and locked not to allow any alternate possible thoughts, no matter the logic, nothing else matters.

This is one of the best sentences I've seen written here, ever. It doesn't matter what religion or belief a person is, you nailed it.

Dee · « **Reply #46 on:** June 20, 2010, 08:55:34 AM »

That is exactly what the chapter and verses I gave in Mark and Luke said. It was stated 2,000+ years ago, and is no one here's revelational wisdom.

blind ear · « **Reply #47 on:** June 20, 2010, 08:58:30 AM »

Just a fact.

dukkillr · « **Reply #48 on:** June 20, 2010, 08:58:56 AM »

Quote from: Dee on June 20, 2010, 08:55:34 AM

That is exactly what the chapter and verses I gave in Mark and Luke said. It was stated 2,000+ years ago, and is no one here's revelational wisdom.

Then if Mark and Luke had written that sentence here I would have said it directed at them

williamlayton · « **Reply #49 on:** June 21, 2010, 01:43:32 AM »

DUK
That sentence Makes no sense.
Mark and Luke told the history of the sayings and doings of the Christ--this was in response too the leading and directing of the Holy Spirit and is set for all posterity.
Now, if you do not have ears to hear or eyes to see, i can understand your delima.
In the context of human understanding, the creation and the salvation make no sense.
We are dealing with God here.
God has no beginning or ending. He is in the beginning and the ending at the same moment--for he is not bound by time or space.
Christ is the sacrifice for all sins of man. It is sufficent to say that while He is sufficent, His work/sacrifice is not without calling for reception. It is faith in Christ, that Christ is who He says He is, and trusting in Him too be able to perform as He said He can that brings us into a saving relationship with God the Father.
Where did the rocks come from and who created them? In the beginning there was nothing and all was a void. BUT, with God/Christ/The holy Spirit there is no beginning.
If you don't believe, I can do nothing about that and I am your friend.
Blessings

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #50 on:** June 21, 2010, 02:42:51 AM »

Quote from: Dee on June 18, 2010, 01:00:59 PM

If you truly believe what you say you believe, TRULY! Then you know what HE meant, at the end of His "Sermon on the Mount", when He said what He said, in Mathew Chapter 7 verse 6, about the rebuttals you are volunteering here, and you will realize it is ground already plowed, in a field that will not grow. There are other fields where the soil is fertile, and is waiting, and wanting the plow.

blind ear · « **Reply #51 on:** June 21, 2010, 03:23:31 AM »

"(15)' He said to him, 'Tend My lambs.' (16) He said to him, 'Shepherd My sheep.' (17) Jesus said to him, 'Tend My sheep.'" (John 21:15-17, NASB).

Dee · « **Reply #52 on:** June 21, 2010, 03:27:58 AM »

He also said seperate them from the goats.

dukkillr · « **Reply #53 on:** June 21, 2010, 03:48:29 AM »

Quote from: williamlayton on June 21, 2010, 01:43:32 AM

DUK
That sentence Makes no sense.
Mark and Luke told the history of the sayings and doings of the Christ--this was in response too the leading and directing of the Holy Spirit and is set for all posterity.
Now, if you do not have ears to hear or eyes to see, i can understand your delima.
In the context of human understanding, the creation and the salvation make no sense.
We are dealing with God here.
God has no beginning or ending. He is in the beginning and the ending at the same moment--for he is not bound by time or space.
Christ is the sacrifice for all sins of man. It is sufficent to say that while He is sufficent, His work/sacrifice is not without calling for reception. It is faith in Christ, that Christ is who He says He is, and trusting in Him too be able to perform as He said He can that brings us into a saving relationship with God the Father.
Where did the rocks come from and who created them? In the beginning there was nothing and all was a void. BUT, with God/Christ/The holy Spirit there is no beginning.
If you don't believe, I can do nothing about that and I am your friend.
Blessings

Not disagreeing with this, but I don't see what it has to do with what I said? If it was in response to my glib statement to Dee I wouldn't spend too much time worrying about it.

Dee · « **Reply #54 on:** June 21, 2010, 05:25:22 AM »

I don't think anyone is.

bearmgc · « **Reply #55 on:** June 21, 2010, 07:54:39 AM »

The fact that the question has even been brought up, attests to the pitifully rascist, anti-semetic cancer, that has become so pervasive in our day. So, does anybody ask this question of any other Nation? The Ukraine? Georgia? South Korea? Why not? Why does this Nation merit more scrutinizing than any other more recently formed Nation? The answer is obvious, and shameful. Please, the intellectualizing of this question makes me nauseated.
To give convoluted rationales, that are simply insulting to any common sense minded human being, is so sadly a symptom of the arrogant and blantant Progressive agenda. And we bear witness to the current demise of our beloved USA, for the same reason. Alice has, once again, dropped through the rabbit hole. But this time she may not return.

FourBee · « **Reply #56 on:** June 21, 2010, 09:11:57 AM »

to add salt to the wound ---
........ here is an excerpt of a report I recently read about.............

United Nations Goldstone Report:
European Anti-Semitism Worst Since WWII
Anti-Semitic attacks mostly perpetrated by Muslims from large local Muslim communities in France, Britain, Belgium, Scandinavia, and Germany.

In response, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu told his Cabinet, "This anit-Semitism comes with a new twist, which is the ' bid ' to deprive the Jewish State of the right to self-defense."................

Dee · « **Reply #57 on:** June 21, 2010, 09:12:40 AM »

Quote from: bearmgc on June 21, 2010, 07:54:39 AM

The fact that the question has even been brought up, attests to the pitifully rascist, anti-semetic cancer, that has become so pervasive in our day. So, does anybody ask this question of any other Nation? The Ukraine? Georgia? South Korea? Why not? Why does this Nation merit more scrutinizing than any other more recently formed Nation? The answer is obvious, and shameful. Please, the intellectualizing of this question makes me nauseated.
To give convoluted rationales, that are simply insulting to any common sense minded human being, is so sadly a symptom of the arrogant and blantant Progressive agenda. And we bear witness to the current demise of our beloved USA, for the same reason. Alice has, once again, dropped through the rabbit hole. But this time she may not return.

Rather eloquently stated, and dead center on the mark. Excellent!

beerbelly · « **Reply #58 on:** June 21, 2010, 09:57:13 AM »

If Iran nukes them off the face of the earth I will not greave. They are far more trouble than they are worth!
Beerbelly

powderman · « **Reply #59 on:** June 21, 2010, 09:57:41 AM »

BEARMGC. Good post, all true. If you read tms posts you'll see the difference between Gods holy word, our Bible, and tms lies and koran, tm isn't funny anymore, just annoying. POWDERMAN.