Author Topic: Best ? (Read 1833 times)

SHOOTALL · « **on:** June 18, 2010, 11:43:46 AM »

Bush was the best president since Reagan ? True or false ? Which Bush ?

billy_56081 · « **Reply #1 on:** June 18, 2010, 12:17:59 PM »

Well under Bush 2 I took my money out of the stock market when the market was at a record high. I was happy with that.

victorcharlie · « **Reply #2 on:** June 18, 2010, 12:22:32 PM »

IMO there hasn't been a good president sense Regan.

myronman3 · « **Reply #3 on:** June 18, 2010, 12:26:16 PM »

ask me in 20 years when i have had a chance to see how his decisions have affected the world.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #4 on:** June 18, 2010, 12:27:55 PM »

Naw lets decide now

Dee · « **Reply #5 on:** June 18, 2010, 01:13:31 PM »

Well lets see. Bush 1 started a war he had not intention of letting the soldiers win, or finish, while protecting an oil thief, from another just as bad as the oil thief. Bush 2, escalated that war, still with the intention of never actually letting the soldiers win, and started yet another war, where bombing would have sufficed, and which he had neither the intention or stomach, to win, and also shows no signs of being over.
So while Obama pours our money and "imagined status" in the world, out on the ground, both Bushes poured our "blood", and our money, and "imagined status" on the ground.
You'll have to go back farther than Reagan to find a truly good President.

nw_hunter · « **Reply #6 on:** June 18, 2010, 03:54:59 PM »

Quote from: Dee on June 18, 2010, 01:13:31 PM

Well lets see. Bush 1 started a war he had not intention of letting the soldiers win, or finish, while protecting an oil thief, from another just as bad as the oil thief. Bush 2, escalated that war, still with the intention of never actually letting the soldiers win, and started yet another war, where bombing would have sufficed, and which he had neither the intention or stomach, to win, and also shows no signs of being over.
So while Obama pours our money and "imagined status" in the world, out on the ground, both Bushes poured our "blood", and our money, and "imagined status" on the ground.
You'll have to go back farther than Reagan to find a truly good President.

I agree! Prob. all the way back to GW the first. "Washington" that is!
There was some well meaning ones after Washington, but not many for the common man, and states rights
from Lincoln on.

"OOPS" almost forgot the question.....................False!

Swampman · « **Reply #7 on:** June 18, 2010, 04:31:48 PM »

We haven't had a good president since Teddy Roosevelt.

Dee · « **Reply #8 on:** June 18, 2010, 04:54:36 PM »

Teddy Roosevelt was a Socialist. He believed that as you gained in income and wealth you should be taxed more than average Joe The Plumber citizen. He believed that if you inherited wealth you should be taxed at a higher rate than Joe The Plumber citizen. He also believed that as you climbed in economic status you should be taxed at various PERCENTAGE LEVELS of wealth. Yea, he was a great president.

bronco73401 · « **Reply #9 on:** June 18, 2010, 05:02:04 PM »

Quote from: victorcharlie on June 18, 2010, 12:22:32 PM

IMO there hasn't been a good president sense Regan.

I agree completely.

Lance

LONGTOM · « **Reply #10 on:** June 18, 2010, 05:10:51 PM »

The pres can't do much on his own.
Actually it is the congress that should get the blame for most that is wrong, or the glory for what little they do right.
They are the ones that really have the say so over what the government does and what laws are passed and how our money is spent. ( WASTED)!!!
It may be the presidents idea but they have to vote on it.
He can veto their votes but they can override him with enough votes.
So we should be going after them the most.

I would still say R.R. was the best we have had in a long time.

Sorry, forgot to answer the question.
I am not sure who really was the best but I darn sure know who was and is the worst!
Anyone care to venture a guess?

LONGTOM

blind ear · « **Reply #11 on:** June 18, 2010, 09:31:23 PM »

Reagan deregulated the banks and the oil companies and other corporations that put us on the road to where we are now. He isn't too hard to beat.

Swampman · « **Reply #12 on:** June 19, 2010, 12:46:34 AM »

Exactly! I don't see why more people can't see that. I still say Teddy was the man.

slim rem 7 · « **Reply #13 on:** June 19, 2010, 02:03:19 AM »

most had some decent achievements..if you talking ability to communicate with the people and inspire them ..
kennedy and reagan were the best ive seen.. if you talking achieving thier goals,id say nixon was a,
just getter done come hell or high water sort..he was judged harshly .. much more harshly than another impeached president named clinton.. thier respective legacies detemined by how the media reported thier
deeds.. nixon died supposedly in disgrace ..clinton now gets to charge for appearing at an event..
carter ,an idealist,that meant well,but nearly destroyed the worlds respect for the U.S. as a super power..
johnson knew an understood the washington inner circle better than any ive seen..
all men dedicated to public service..
obama ..im not even sure he has this countries best wellfare in mind at all..
watch for some real surprises from this one..i don t believe he s really in over his head as he appears to be..
he just has a different agenda for the nation than promoting a better republic..he s working to end free
enterprize altogather in this once great nation..
television made it so the people vote for the best debator.. not a good reason to vote for a president..
vote the issues at hand..vote for the one who wants what you want for this country..
don t be fooled by all the smoke screens that will come up this summer an fall.
use some common sense.. don t forget the respective candidates agendas as to gun rights etc..
but most of all..get off your rear an vote..if you don t ,then do you really have a right to complain ..
you gave up on the country,by not using that right..the right to vote for our leaders was bought with the blood of many fine patriots..jmo slim

Savage .250 · « **Reply #14 on:** June 19, 2010, 02:05:56 AM »

I`m burned out on the Bush family.

Swampman · « **Reply #15 on:** June 19, 2010, 02:07:32 AM »

Jeb was an awesome govenor. I wish we had him back.

Dee · « **Reply #16 on:** June 19, 2010, 03:31:47 AM »

GW was a good Governor, and sucked at President.

Swampman · « **Reply #17 on:** June 19, 2010, 04:03:38 AM »

Jeb was said to be the best governor in the nation more than once by various groups. FL was always in the black. Bush 2 was a good president IMO. He just had a lot to deal with and he did a fair job. Anything is better than what we have now even Jimmy Carter.

williamlayton · « **Reply #18 on:** June 19, 2010, 04:07:51 AM »

I would have too agree with another, that we place much too much emphansis on the president and give him to much glory or hate for that which should be placed at the feet of Congress.
JFK--and some of you will choke--did some of the best work in the Cuban Crisis that any President has ever done. I have sweated out the thought of what eith Bush, Clinton or Obamanation would do. If a Bush--there might not have been a world today--if Obama---well---we would be a satillite of the Soviets today, looking at it in perspective--all Obama wants to do is get rid of the Republic and Democracy.
I liked Harry.
I liked Ike.
I liked Reagan.
Tricky Dick had a good foreigh policy but it opened the door too a new world order.
I like individual Republics---they lead to wars occasionally,but, i prefer that too the new world order.
Christ will usher in the perfect new world order.
Blessings

Land_Owner · « **Reply #19 on:** June 19, 2010, 04:17:05 AM »

False.

It is mostly a choice of lesser evils. The Politicians get richer because they vote "favoritism" in order to pad their own accounts.

The true evil, like Insurance, is "The Bureaucracy" in place in Washington that NEVER CHANGES with election of a new Talking Head. Well maybe never changed previously, until this last time...

williamlayton · « **Reply #20 on:** June 19, 2010, 05:50:46 AM »

FALSE??
Who/what?
Not disagreeing just trying to get insight into the thought.
Blessings

blind ear · « **Reply #21 on:** June 19, 2010, 05:52:00 AM »

Transparency of all coorporate ownership is the only thing that can keep the coorporations from running this country. Getting a congress in place that will enact it is our problem. It has never been brought up that I know of. eddiegjr

magooch · « **Reply #22 on:** June 19, 2010, 06:06:05 AM »

If one is expecting perfection from a President, you're never going to see it. George W. Bush will forever be my hero, because he prevented Algore and John Effing Kerry from being President. That may well have been the salvation of this country as we know it--even if it was only temporary.

GWB also made it possible for us to keep more of our earnings (tax cuts) and it gave me the opportunity to invest and be financially where I never expected to be.

George Bush the first would have been great if he had stuck to his pledge of "No new taxes." Nixon would have been great if he hadn't been so paranoid.

My fear is that we may never again have a President that even has a chance to be great, because the country itself is changing. The foreign invasion, and the permanent underclass that has resulted from the changing economy and the enormous entitlement population we now have makes it darned near impossible to elect someone who would get us back on track.

subdjoe · « **Reply #23 on:** June 19, 2010, 06:46:42 AM »

Well said. I pretty much agree, and am very glad you mentioned Harry S, who I think was our last honest president...well, maybe Ike was. I would add that while Congress should bare most of the blame, it is the President that sets the tone for four years.

GWB, i think, got way too focused on Iraq for personal reasons and lost sight of the overall picture.

Oh! This might not go over well, but I think Ford was a good president. Yeah, he didn't do much, and seemed to kind of bumble through, but after Viet Nam and Watergate, that is exactly what we needed. He gave us a collective break and a chance to get our national breath after a very troubling 10 or 15 years. What we needed, when we needed it. He knew he was a place holder and likely would not be returned to office, but he took the job anyway. And he took the jabs at him with grace and dignity - while falling down the stairs.

Quote from: williamlayton on June 19, 2010, 04:07:51 AM

I would have too agree with another, that we place much too much emphansis on the president and give him to much glory or hate for that which should be placed at the feet of Congress.
JFK--and some of you will choke--did some of the best work in the Cuban Crisis that any President has ever done. I have sweated out the thought of what eith Bush, Clinton or Obamanation would do. If a Bush--there might not have been a world today--if Obama---well---we would be a satillite of the Soviets today, looking at it in perspective--all Obama wants to do is get rid of the Republic and Democracy.
I liked Harry.
I liked Ike.
I liked Reagan.
Tricky Dick had a good foreigh policy but it opened the door too a new world order.
I like individual Republics---they lead to wars occasionally,but, i prefer that too the new world order.
Christ will usher in the perfect new world order.
Blessings

bronco73401 · « **Reply #24 on:** June 19, 2010, 06:51:27 AM »

Ronnie defeated that evil Soviet empire without a shot being fired....nuff said!

Lance

blind ear · « **Reply #25 on:** June 19, 2010, 06:54:55 AM »

Quote from: subdjoe on June 19, 2010, 06:46:42 AM

Oh! This might not go over well, but I think Ford was a good president. Yeah, he didn't do much, and seemed to kind of bumble through, but after Viet Nam and Watergate, that is exactly what we needed. He gave us a collective break and a chance to get our national breath after a very troubling 10 or 15 years. What we needed, when we needed it.

Seems we pretty much went to sleep. eddiegjr

jimster · « **Reply #26 on:** June 19, 2010, 06:59:56 AM »

I agree with the notion we place too much hope on one man/woman (the president) when all the power comes from Congress. If Congress gets fixed you will naturally have a president that is just like them. What you have now is because of years of corrupt Congress/politicians, the president is only a reflection of that and is born from that. Congress is a reflection of corrupt people/money.

I would say false, to the question the thread (Shootall) is asking.

blind ear · « **Reply #27 on:** June 19, 2010, 07:08:23 AM »

Since Reagan we got them all, and got to where we are by selecting the lessor of evils. eddiegjr

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #28 on:** June 19, 2010, 07:39:32 AM »

Well lets see Best is a subjective term.
We need to flesh out criteria.
We also have the problem of Congress that may or may not e working with the president. We can grade the president on conservitive principles / Constitution. Conservitive grade based on Ronald Reagan as a 100% bench mark where he saw the American people as the driving force of our country and the Government as a neccessary Evil to protect the country, provide goods and services that the private sector can not or will not.
So let's look.
President Conservitive Grade Congress Grade Out Come
GHW Bush 85% 60% 51% Haveing congress over ride his no new taxes hurt
Clintoon 1St Term 50% 60% 30%
Clintoon 2nd Term 70% 75% 51.5% He moved to the right to be re- ellected and was
hiding most of his second term & little was done to us.
GW Bush 1st Term 90% 70% 63% Tax Cuts.
GW Bush 2nd Term 90% 40% 36% Congress changed and hurt him
BHO 5% 40% 8% Pinko Commie Bed Wetters! He like Clintoon will
be dangerous as he leaves office making rules and
Exucitive orders

Dee · « **Reply #29 on:** June 19, 2010, 02:40:55 PM »

Quote from: bronco73401 on June 19, 2010, 06:51:27 AM

Ronnie defeated that evil Soviet empire without a shot being fired....nuff said!

Lance

Ronnie didn't defeat anyone. The Soviet Union learned the hard way about Afghanistan, just like Alexander the Great, and England did. They involved themselves in a perpetual war, just like Bush was nice enough to do before he left. Afghanistan will break us economically also. It already is, and has.