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NRA-ILA GRASSROOTS ALERT
Vol. 17, No. 24      06/18/10
Statement From NRA-ILA Executive Director
Chris W. Cox On H.R. 5175, The "DISCLOSE Act"
 
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I appreciate the concerns that some NRA members have raised regarding our position on H.R. 5175, the "DISCLOSE Act."  Regrettably, our position has been misstated by some and intentionally misrepresented by others.  I hope you'll allow me to provide the proper context.

The U.S. Supreme Court's Citizens United decision was a significant victory for free speech and the Constitution. The NRA filed a strong brief in that case, which the Court specifically cited several times in its opinion.  The DISCLOSE Act is an attempt to reverse that victory and that's why we told Congress we oppose it.

The NRA has never supported -- nor would we ever support -- any version of this bill.  Those who suggest otherwise are wrong.

The restrictions in this bill should not apply to anyone or to any organization. My job is to ensure they don't apply to the NRA and our members.  Without the NRA, the Second Amendment will be lost and I will do everything in my power to prevent that.

We believe that any restriction on political speech is repugnant. But some of our critics believe we should put the Second Amendment at risk over a First Amendment principle to protect other organizations. That's easy to say -- unless you have a sworn duty to protect the Second Amendment above all else, as I do. 

The NRA is a single-issue organization made up of millions of individual members dedicated to protecting the Second Amendment. We do not represent the interests of other organizations.  Nor do all groups fight all issues together.  For example, we didn't support the U.S. Chamber of Commerce when it backed amnesty for tens of millions of illegal aliens and we did not join the Chamber in its support of President Obama's stimulus bill.  And we've been in direct opposition when the Chamber has tried to restrict Second Amendment rights in publicly accessible parking lots. 

Rather than focusing on opposing this bill, some have encouraged people to blame the NRA for this Congress's unconstitutional attack on free speech. That's a shame. If you oppose this bill, I hope you will contact your Member of Congress and Senators so they can hear from you.

 

Statement From David Keene, NRA First
Vice-President On H.R. 5175, The "DISCLOSE Act"

I have been an NRA Board member for some years and currently serve as NRA's First Vice-President -- that you may know.  What you may not know is that I have been in the forefront of the fight against liberal attempts to tilt the political playing field their way for decades through what they like to call campaign finance reform.  This is a battle that began in the seventies when I put together the case that went to the United States Supreme Court known as Buckley v. Valeo.  I was a vocal opponent of the so-called McCain-Feingold "reforms" that shackled groups like the NRA in recent years, and I have served as a First Amendment Fellow at Vanderbilt University's Freedom Forum.

I can assure you that I would never countenance a "deal" of the sort you think the NRA made with Congress to further Democratic attempts to restrict political speech.  I consider such restrictions to be not only repugnant, but blatantly unconstitutional, an opinion shared by NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre and Institute for Legislative Action Executive Director Chris Cox.

The so-called "DISCLOSE ACT" is a horrible piece of legislation designed to do exactly what you suggest.  It would require advocacy groups to run a regulatory gauntlet designed to make it very difficult for many of them to play the role for which they were formed and is both bad policy and flies in the face of recent Supreme Court decisions.

But I'm afraid there's more . particularly how it would affect the NRA.  When you think of the NRA you no doubt think mostly about the NRA's advocacy on Second Amendment issues, but the NRA also provides training to its members, law enforcement and military personnel, works with states, counties and private organizations to build ranges and runs competitive events such as those at Camp Perry in Ohio.  Since Camp Perry is a military base, public monies go into range development and federal funds go to training military and police personnel, the NRA would be classed with government contractors and TARP recipients under the DISCLOSE ACT as originally written and effectively prohibited from engaging in any meaningful political activity.

In other words, this act as originally written by anti-gun legislators like New York Senator Chuck Schumer would have silenced the NRA .which would have been the death knell for the Second Amendment.

NRA has one major mission . to defend the right of its members and all Americans to Keep & Bear Arms as guaranteed by the Second Amendment.  Therefore, the NRA served notice on Congress that since the act threatened our very existence, we were prepared to do anything and everything that might be required to defeat it unless it was changed so that we could continue to represent the views of our members in the public arena.  The letter, sent on May 26, was public.  The NRA did not engage in back room shenanigans, but told Congressional leaders quite clearly that we would do whatever we needed to do to protect the rights of our members and our ability to defend the Second Amendment.

Last week Democratic leadership in the House capitulated by agreeing to exempt the NRA from the act -- not in return for NRA support, but to avoid a political war that might cost them even more seats this fall.

I have to tell you that I never thought the Democrats would agree to this -- not because they have much regard for constitutional rights -- because I didn't believe their left wing would allow it.  The events since their capitulation convince me that their fear of NRA retaliation forced them to take steps that split their coalition and could easily doom the whole bill.

Consider this: on Thursday night, California Senator Diane Feinstein, one of the most anti-Second Amendment members of the Senate, announced that she wouldn't support the DISCLOSE ACT if it exempted the NRA.  By Friday some two-dozen left wing activist groups that had previously been pressing Congress to pass the bill announced that now they wanted it defeated.

The bottom line is that in refusing to risk its members' rights and the very survival of the Second Amendment, the NRA has also made it less rather than more likely that support for this terrible legislation will collapse and the free speech rights of every one of us will benefit.

 
Setting The Record Straight On The "DISCLOSE Act"
We appreciate the concerns some NRA members have raised about our position on H.R. 5175, the "DISCLOSE Act."  Unfortunately, the mainstream media and other critics of NRA's role in this process have misstated or misunderstood the facts.  We'd like to set the record straight.

We have never said we would support any version of this bill.  To the contrary, we clearly stated NRA's strong opposition to the DISCLOSE Act (as introduced) in a letter sent to Members of Congress on May 26 (click here to read the letter). 

Through the courts and in Congress, the NRA has consistently and strongly opposed any effort to restrict the rights of our four million members to speak and have their voices heard on behalf of gun owners nationwide.  The initial version of H.R. 5175 would effectively have put a gag order on the NRA during elections and threatened our members' right to privacy and freedom of association, by forcing us to turn our donor lists over to the federal government.  We would also have been forced to list our top donors on all election-related television, radio and Internet ads and mailings -- even mailings to our own members.  We refuse to let this Congress impose those unconstitutional restrictions on our Association.

The introduced version of the bill would also have prohibited political speech by all federal government contractors.  The NRA has contracts to provide critical firearm training for our Armed Forces and law enforcement agencies throughout the country.  The bill would have forced us to choose between training our men and women in uniform and exercising our right to free political speech. We refused to let this Congress force us to make that choice.

We told Congress we opposed the bill.  Consequently, congressional leaders announced they would exempt us from its draconian restrictions on political speech.  If that happens, we will not be involved in final consideration of this bill in the House.  If it doesn't, we will strongly oppose the bill.

Our position is based on principle and experience.  During consideration of the previous campaign finance legislation passed in 2002, congressional leadership repeatedly refused to exempt the NRA from its provisions, promising that our concerns would be fixed somewhere down the line.  That didn't happen; instead, the NRA had to live under those restrictions for seven years and spend millions of dollars on compliance costs and on legal fees to challenge the law.  We will not go down that road again when we have an opportunity to protect our ability to speak.

There are those who say the NRA should put the Second Amendment at risk over a First Amendment principle. That's easy to say -- unless you have a sworn duty to protect the Second Amendment above all else, as we do.

The NRA is a non-partisan, single-issue organization made up of millions of individual members dedicated to the protection of the Second Amendment.  We do not represent the interests of other organizations.  That's their responsibility.  Our responsibility is to protect and defend the interests of our members.  And that we do without apology.

Today, the fate of the bill remains in doubt.  The House floor debate has repeatedly been postponed.  Lawmakers and outside groups who once supported the bill, or took no position -- including the Brady Campaign -- have now come out against it because of the announcement regarding NRA. The outcome in the Senate is even murkier, as anti-gun Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) has announced her strong opposition to the proposed change.

No matter what may happen now, NRA members can be assured that protection of gun owners' interests will remain NRA's top priority.  Please check in regularly at www.NRAILA.org for the latest news on this issue.

 

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Re: Is this a case of other Pro-gun groups attacking the NRA??????
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2010, 11:13:54 AM »


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But I'm afraid there's more . particularly how it would affect the NRA.  When you think of the NRA you no doubt think mostly about the NRA's advocacy on Second Amendment issues, but the NRA also provides training to its members, law enforcement and military personnel, works with states, counties and private organizations to build ranges and runs competitive events such as those at Camp Perry in Ohio.  Since Camp Perry is a military base, public monies go into range development and federal funds go to training military and police personnel, the NRA would be classed with government contractors and TARP recipients under the DISCLOSE ACT as originally written and effectively prohibited from engaging in any meaningful political activity.

In other words, this act as originally written by anti-gun legislators like New York Senator Chuck Schumer would have silenced the NRA .which would have been the death knell for the Second Amendment.

NRA has one major mission . to defend the right of its members and all Americans to Keep & Bear Arms as guaranteed by the Second Amendment.  Therefore, the NRA served notice on Congress that since the act threatened our very existence, we were prepared to do ANYTHING and everything that might be required to defeat it UNLESS it was changed so that we could continue to represent the views of our members in the public arena.  The letter, sent on May 26, was public.  The NRA did not engage in back room shenanigans, ::) but told Congressional leaders quite clearly that we would do whatever we needed to do to protect the rights of our members and our ability to defend the Second Amendment.

Last week Democratic leadership in the House capitulated by agreeing to exempt the NRA No one else just the NRA from the act -- not in return for NRA support, but to avoid a political war that might cost them even more seats this fall. No back room Shenagins huh?)

I have to tell you that I never thought the Democrats would agree to this -- not because they have much regard for constitutional rights -- because I didn't believe their left wing would allow it.  The events since their capitulation convince me that their fear of NRA retaliation forced them to take steps that split their coalition and could easily doom the whole bill.
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I don't know why he wouldn't have thought it! They have been compromising our 2nd rights away since 1968.
What a bunch of BS spin



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Re: Is this a case of other Pro-gun groups attacking the NRA??????
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2010, 01:32:01 PM »
Once again the GOA lead the assult on the NRA.. They want nothing more than to get the MILLIONS of NRA member to drop the NRA and come running to them..  ::)
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Re: Is this a case of other Pro-gun groups attacking the NRA??????
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2010, 06:41:57 PM »
Once again the GOA lead the assult on the NRA.. They want nothing more than to get the MILLIONS of NRA member to drop the NRA and come running to them..  ::)



I think the GOA would be the first to applaud the NRA for anything they would do to truly help the gun owner.
It's not about running to anyone. It's about protecting our right to keep and bear arms PERIOD! Not compromising them away.

The other gun groups are more interested in  doing just that, than bragging about how many members it has.

Makes no difference how many members the NRA has if the administration refuses to listen to them.

The GOA isn't assaulting anyone..........They are just trying to protect your right to keep and bear arms.
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Re: Is this a case of other Pro-gun groups attacking the NRA??????
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2010, 06:48:47 PM »
Plus 1 nw_hunter. The NRA is full of Republican politicians.
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Re: Is this a case of other Pro-gun groups attacking the NRA??????
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2010, 03:39:11 AM »
As long as the GOA keeps attacking the NRA, I will not join them! They are only helping the libs divide and concur.
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Re: Is this a case of other Pro-gun groups attacking the NRA??????
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2010, 03:48:14 AM »
Once again the GOA lead the assult on the NRA.. They want nothing more than to get the MILLIONS of NRA member to drop the NRA and come running to them..  ::)



I think the GOA would be the first to applaud the NRA for anything they would do to truly help the gun owner.
It's not about running to anyone. It's about protecting our right to keep and bear arms PERIOD! Not compromising them away.

The other gun groups are more interested in  doing just that, than bragging about how many members it has.

Makes no difference how many members the NRA has if the administration refuses to listen to them.

The GOA isn't assaulting anyone..........They are just trying to protect your right to keep and bear arms.


Totally untrue. The GOA has been bashing the NRA from day one. You keep saying they are so great and don't compromise our rights away. But please give me one major accomplishment that they have done on there "OWN". I have been waiting for over 2 years now and still no one has produced anything. So exactly how is the GOA helping gun rights.
 
Time and time again I get alerts from the GOA, and everything revolves around bashing the NRA...
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Re: Is this a case of other Pro-gun groups attacking the NRA??????
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2010, 03:55:34 AM »
Plus 1 nw_hunter. The NRA is full of Republican politicians.

Well could that be because the Liberal left wants to take your guns??  So now the NRA is bad because Republicans support the second Amendment. Again dammed if you do and dammed if you don't.. Come on Dee which way do you want it?

You spend so much time on this site bashing everyone, in your eyes there are no good people out there. What is your solution, other than sitting on your butt on this site whining about everything? At least I am involved in my State legislation, and I am working with my local politicians to protect all of my rights.
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Re: Is this a case of other Pro-gun groups attacking the NRA??????
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2010, 04:01:19 AM »
Plus 1 nw_hunter. The NRA is full of Republican politicians.

Well could that be because the Liberal left wants to take your guns??  So now the NRA is bad because Republicans support the second Amendment. Again dammed if you do and dammed if you don't.. Come on Dee which way do you want it?

You spend so much time on this site bashing everyone, in your eyes there are no good people out there. What is your solution, other than sitting on your butt on this site whining about everything? At least I am involved in my State legislation, and I am working with my local politicians to protect all of my rights.

Why do you take such exception of what "I" say, and single me out of all that is said here? You have your opinion just as I have mine. This is America my friend. I am not obligated to agree with you, nor you with me. You yourself are bashing folks that don't agree with you NOW. ME! I have bashed no one. I am agreeing with some, and giving my opinion of what I see as wrong.
I have no use for the NRA, the Democrats, or the Republicans. If you think I am doing anything different from anyone else here, INCLUDING YOU, then perhaps you need to speak to GB about banning me, then everyone INCLUDING GB might fall into line with YOUR WAY OF THINKING. ::)
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Re: Is this a case of other Pro-gun groups attacking the NRA??????
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2010, 05:05:11 AM »
Plus 1 nw_hunter. The NRA is full of Republican politicians.

Well could that be because the Liberal left wants to take your guns??  So now the NRA is bad because Republicans support the second Amendment. Again dammed if you do and dammed if you don't.. Come on Dee which way do you want it?

You spend so much time on this site bashing everyone, in your eyes there are no good people out there. What is your solution, other than sitting on your butt on this site whining about everything? At least I am involved in my State legislation, and I am working with my local politicians to protect all of my rights.

Why do you take such exception of what "I" say, and single me out of all that is said here? You have your opinion just as I have mine. This is America my friend. I am not obligated to agree with you, nor you with me. You yourself are bashing folks that don't agree with you NOW. ME! I have bashed no one. I am agreeing with some, and giving my opinion of what I see as wrong.
I have no use for the NRA, the Democrats, or the Republicans. If you think I am doing anything different from anyone else here, INCLUDING YOU, then perhaps you need to speak to GB about banning me, then everyone INCLUDING GB might fall into line with YOUR WAY OF THINKING. ::)

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Re: Is this a case of other Pro-gun groups attacking the NRA??????
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2010, 05:31:39 AM »
 I have to agree with Redhawk on this.        :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(       

Is the NRA perfect ? (no)    What has the GOA Done? (Nothing but Cry) 
 If you don't Like the NRA thats Fine.   I'd rather support the NRA and have them try to do something than a group that cries and calls Foul everytime someone else Does try to get something done.
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« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2010, 05:53:39 AM »
I have to agree with Redhawk on this.        :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(       

Is the NRA perfect ? (no)    What has the GOA Done? (Nothing but Cry) 
 If you don't Like the NRA thats Fine.   I'd rather support the NRA and have them try to do something than a group that cries and calls Foul everytime someone else Does try to get something done.


I don't think you and Redhawk get it!

It's as plain as the nose on you face, where the leaders at NRA are going, and unless the members say  (ENOUGH) you are suppose to be representing me......................DO IT!, It will continue to go in this direction.

Forget the GOA and all the other smaller gun right groups. Just clean up the mess at the NRA. You, Redhawk, and millions of other members need to shout from the roof tops, your tired of them compromising your rights away. I use to call them, and write them on a regular basis, when I was a member, and the only reply I received was a letter wanting me to donate more. Like Dee said.............They are like the modern Republican party. Full of liberals posing as your Conservative friend.
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 I'd rather support the NRA and have them try to do something than a group that cries and calls Foul everytime someone else Does try to get something done.
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After what the NRA has just done, I won't even comment on this statement :o
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« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2010, 06:47:04 AM »
nw_hunter,    
I have to ask you this.   Where would we be, if we didn't have the NRA and a few other small groups?   Do you honestly believe we would still have the rights we do?   As I said the NRA is not perfect. (Neither are You Or I!)  
 The NRA has a lot of great programs for Kids, new and old shooters.  I personally know of about 40 to 50 Kids, That would have probably never learned the great sport of shooting With out the NRA programs and the Fine people at the local Clubs. 4-H has some great programs as well; that the NRA helps support.  
 So I ask you this also. When is the last time you helped at one of these shoots?  
To me seeing the excitement and joy, of a young kid hitting the target the first time is priceless.
That’s why I will continue to support the NRA!
    
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« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2010, 10:55:19 AM »
nw_hunter,    
I have to ask you this.   Where would we be, if we didn't have the NRA and a few other small groups?   Do you honestly believe we would still have the rights we do?   As I said the NRA is not perfect. (Neither are You Or I!)  
 The NRA has a lot of great programs for Kids, new and old shooters.  I personally know of about 40 to 50 Kids, That would have probably never learned the great sport of shooting With out the NRA programs and the Fine people at the local Clubs. 4-H has some great programs as well; that the NRA helps support.  
 So I ask you this also. When is the last time you helped at one of these shoots?  
To me seeing the excitement and joy, of a young kid hitting the target the first time is priceless.
That’s why I will continue to support the NRA!



I have taken my Grandson and several of his friends out shooting this summer.
I guess you could call it a shoot, even tho it was not sponsored or sanctioned by the the NRA or any other organization.
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I'm fortunate living here in the NW part of the country to have lots of public land to enjoy the shooting sports on.

Even with the NRA, GOA, and others the shooting sports are declining big time here.
Our hunting licenses have increased and doubled this year in some cases.

This will no doubt cause the numbers to fall even more next year, I'm afraid.

No one is perfect, and I know this, but what the NRA is doing is just flat out wrong.....I think you know this, and should be pointing a finger at them, and not me, and others that can see where their actions are leading us.

I don't think it's  about NRA Bashing, But about NRA attitude adjusting time. Who better to do it than NRA members and other gun rights groups. "To use a phrase you like" What have you done lately to help? ;D


     
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« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2010, 11:09:10 AM »
nw_hunter,
Then what is it from the NRA press release don't your understand.

The NRA has never supported -- nor would we ever support -- any version of this bill.  Those who suggest otherwise are wrong.
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« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2010, 11:36:50 AM »
nw_hunter,
Then what is it from the NRA press release don't your understand.

The NRA has never supported -- nor would we ever support -- any version of this bill.  Those who suggest otherwise are wrong.



NRA has one major mission . to defend the right of its members and all Americans to Keep & Bear Arms as guaranteed by the Second Amendment.  Therefore, the NRA served notice on Congress that since the act threatened OUR very existence, WE were prepared to do anything and everything that might be required to defeat it unless it was changed so that WE could continue to represent the views of OUR members in the public arena.  The letter, sent on May 26, was public.  The NRA did not engage in back room shenanigans (Yea right), but told Congressional leaders quite clearly that we would do whatever we needed to do to protect the rights of our members and our ability to defend the Second Amendment.


Redhawk, if you don't find anything wrong with what the NRA did, we are wasting our time trying to talk sense to you. You are no doubt a party line type, and will agree or vote for your party or Org. regardless, if they are right or wrong.

The internet is full of information on the NRA backing bills, and people who are not gun friendly. You know that!
I'm not going to waste my time anymore on the subject. Have a good one!

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« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2010, 12:01:44 PM »
More double speak. The NRA was against it ONLY because it directly affected them and the super high salaries the leaders knock down. As soon as they were exempted they dropped their opposition. That proves conclusively the NRA is a self serving organization who could care less about anyone but the folks who head it up. IF they cared about the membership they would listen to the membership and they would have continued their opposition to it based on what it does to the membership and to all gun owners. That they didn't speaks volumes to their true motives and intents.

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But please give me one major accomplishment that they have done on there "OWN". I have been waiting for over 2 years now and still no one has produced anything. So exactly how is the GOA helping gun rights.

I've told you so many times I'm growing tired of telling. You will never listen to anything that doesn't come from the NRA anyway. BUT to give you one more RECENT example of what GOA has done you need look no further than the lawsuit taken to the Supreme Court by then with no help from the NRA in the case against Chicago.

In this one tho the NRA had not invested one red cent and had done nothing to help the cause they were allowed to jump in and take up I think it was one third of the total time attorneys had to present the case. That was wrong on so many levels. It limited the time the folks who had poured out their time and money on this case had to solidify their argument and allowed the NRA to one more time grandstand and try to convince folks they are doing something when all they are doing is hurting not helping.

If that case goes against gun owners and I suspect it will there will be no one but the NRA to blame. They had no stake in that case and had refused to get involved while GOA carried the ball but once it got to the supreme court they then petitioned to be allowed to argue it and were granted the time that rightly belonged to the GOA.

I'm NOT gonna debate you on this issue as we've agreed to stop arguing it on here but you do need to see facts as facts. You won't however as you are blinded by loyalty to an outfit who is not the gun owner's friend.

Fact: The GOA NEVER EVER compromises on gun rights issues.

Fact: The NRA ALWAYS winds up compromising on gun rights issues.

Fact: On just about if not all anti gun bills passed by Congress the NRA leadership agreed that gun owners could live with that giving tentative approval to the anti gun bills before Congress passed them.

I can see it no other way than that they are in bed with the anti gun politicians.


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Re: Is this a case of other Pro-gun groups attacking the NRA??????
« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2010, 12:10:07 PM »
Ask yourselves this question.  What would happen to the NRA and the Second Amendment as well as all other pro gun organizations if the original bill which essentially places a gag order on any and all pro 2A organizations passes into law?  Sometimes it is prudent to retreat in order to survive, giving you the opportunity to regroup and fight another day.
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Re: Is this a case of other Pro-gun groups attacking the NRA??????
« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2010, 03:07:07 PM »
nw_hunter,    
I have to ask you this.   Where would we be, if we didn't have the NRA and a few other small groups?   Do you honestly believe we would still have the rights we do?   As I said the NRA is not perfect. (Neither are You Or I!)  
 The NRA has a lot of great programs for Kids, new and old shooters.  I personally know of about 40 to 50 Kids, That would have probably never learned the great sport of shooting With out the NRA programs and the Fine people at the local Clubs. 4-H has some great programs as well; that the NRA helps support.  
 So I ask you this also. When is the last time you helped at one of these shoots?  
To me seeing the excitement and joy, of a young kid hitting the target the first time is priceless.
That’s why I will continue to support the NRA!



I have taken my Grandson and several of his friends out shooting this summer.
I guess you could call it a shoot, even tho it was not sponsored or sanctioned by the the NRA or any other organization.
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I'm fortunate living here in the NW part of the country to have lots of public land to enjoy the shooting sports on.

Even with the NRA, GOA, and others the shooting sports are declining big time here.
Our hunting licenses have increased and doubled this year in some cases.

This will no doubt cause the numbers to fall even more next year, I'm afraid.

No one is perfect, and I know this, but what the NRA is doing is just flat out wrong.....I think you know this, and should be pointing a finger at them, and not me, and others that can see where their actions are leading us.

I don't think it's  about NRA Bashing, But about NRA attitude adjusting time. Who better to do it than NRA members and other gun rights groups. "To use a phrase you like" What have you done lately to help? ;D


     
Anything involving Politics is Wrong. Anyway you look at it, No one will have exactly the same beliefs or views. Please tell me exactly what I should say, when I write my next letter to the NRA.  At the Local level The NRA is a great help to the Local small ranges and the one big range we have with in an hour drive.  With out the NRA the Insurance alone would shut them down. As I have said I do no agree with all views Of the NRA. But if you don't believe in something you will fall for anything.

What have I done to help?   Well working with a group Of 17 kids is something. Promoting the shooting sports as Much as possible, to anyone who will listen is another. 
 You're yucky to live where you do.  Finding land to hunt and shoot here in the east can be a challenge anymore. (People who have Money lease all the land they can then Post it.)  I feel your pain with the DNR fees. This is a major cause of the decline in hunters here as well.
I see your Point By the way.
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Re: Is this a case of other Pro-gun groups attacking the NRA??????
« Reply #19 on: June 20, 2010, 06:33:16 PM »
One thing i have noticed is that i never get an offer from GOA or SAF to sell me insurance, wine, clothing or any of the other little annoying crap like i get from the NRA.
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Re: Is this a case of other Pro-gun groups attacking the NRA??????
« Reply #20 on: June 20, 2010, 08:18:57 PM »
I heard Wayne La-Pieare's interview with Lars Larswon.  After hearing what wayne had to say, or refused to say, I am ready to caqncel my life membership in te NRA.
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« Reply #21 on: June 21, 2010, 04:08:01 AM »
No organization is perfect, and I am POed at the NRA for not actively fighting this bill even after they were excluded. But I firmly believe that with out them we would not now be allowed to own guns! I have let them know my feeling on the bill, but with out them I think we will lose our gun rights much sooner.
   Yes I said sooner. In my opinion the libs have taken over the education system in this country and are brain washing the young against guns. In the long run they will win, this country is already lost!
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