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Re: BSET POWDER TO USE INTHE 243 CAL.
« Reply #30 on: July 11, 2010, 04:08:55 AM »

I too am trying to find a "pet load" for my .243, using Sierra Varminter 60g HP bullets and Varget or H380.  Started with the Min. load of 40g Varget, and I am working up for best accuracy.  Groups at 200 yds. were not impressive, but the barrel got hot pretty quick too.  Anybody got a favorite load for this bullet?  I am shooting a Savage model 10.


With a 65gr. bullet I loaded 42.5 gr. Varget for my Handi rifle.  Rem. primers.  Outstanding accuracy.  Groups as small as 1/2 inch.

That was for the first three shots.  My barrel was an "ultralite" and heated up very quickly.

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Re: BSET POWDER TO USE INTHE 243 CAL.
« Reply #31 on: July 13, 2010, 09:59:57 AM »
WMR and 105-grain Speer




Made it to the range the first thing yesterday morning and set up the Chrony.  My objective for the day was to work towards a successful load using 243 Winchester cases, WMR (Winchester Magnum Rifle) powder, and WW LR primers along with Speer’s 105-grain Hot-Cor bullet.


Researching my manuals I found loading data for Hornady’s 105 grain A-Max bullet.  I used the data as a general guide by started low and stopped just .7 grains short of the listed maximum.  My goal was to meet or exceed 2800 fps from Remington 788 with a 22-inch barrel.  This is a low price rifle, I paid close to $100 new for it in 1979, and it had a 4X scope on it.  The rifle is equipped with a Bushnell Banner 3x9 scope.  The scope was rebuilt by Bushnell under warranty after I took and fall on snow and ice covered slope.  Before yesterdays shoot I had it sighted in for my 80-grain varmint load.  I adjusted the scope up a couple of inches but the windage was okay. 


Thanks to john keyes and fastchicken I had a feel for factory sporting rifles with a 22-inch barrel velocity. 


The weather; during my morning shoot the temperature went from 70˚ to 85˚, RH went 51% to 37%; the wind was steady at 4MPH with Gusty 11 all morning.  I could feel the gust push against me.  The wind was the biggest negative because it was hitting at approximately 90˚ then shifting to 180˚ and then back to 90˚.  Just a little bit squirrelly.

I started at 45.5-grains with a velocity of 2745.  The Chrony was setup about 15 feet from the muzzle.  You can add about 14 fps for this round to give a muzzle velocity of 2759. 

I had five bags of loads which progressively increased to within .7 grains of the published maximum.  All rounds function without a problem and there was no primer issues.

I was meeting or exceeding my 2800 fps goal by the second bag.

My final bag gave me an average velocity of 2886 or approximately 2900 fps at muzzle.  The picture was from the final bag.  I am happy with the results and will not push the load up anymore.  I have some new WW bulk brass that I will load a couple boxes out for deer hunting.  My comfort level is high with this 105-grain load. 

A number of members have stated that they are happy with the 100 or 80-grain factory loads they are using.  Their phrase of the factory loads is convincing   if I can meet or exceed that velocity and energy level safely I feel I should have a good round.

I have two factory loads at the top of the box, 15 year-old Remington 100-grain CL and three year-old Federal Blue box, 100-grain Power-Shok ammunition.  I fired five rounds each across the Chrony.

The CL averaged 2734 at 15 feet, add 14fps gives an approximate muzzle velocity of 2748 fps.

The Power-Shok averaged 2880 at 15 feet, add 14fps which gives an approximate muzzle velocity of 2894.

I have some R-P and FC brass that I have primed.  I will load it and verify my top load using the other brass, and get some range practice in.  This brass along with the WW test brass came from my varmint brass box.   I discarded a few pieces of the brass with cracks or potential cracking before this loading.  After inspection but before resizing I annealed the case necks.  Some of the brass dated back to when I first started loading for the rifle in 1979.

I have enough new brass that I can load a couple boxes for hunting.

P.S.  A little off subject.  I have had a Remington M760 for over fifty years, but I have never fired it over the Chrony.  My favorite 150-grain bullet for it is the Hornady Spire point bullet.  The charge of H4831 I use with it works fine in my 760.  But many years ago I noted that the 150-Sierra BT and the Nosler Solid base required a reduced charge.  Yesterday I fired three rounds from that 270 across the Chrony with my standard charged reduced by .5-grains behind 150-grain Nosler Solid base.
 
That old rifle is still on the button at 100-yards, but one round gave me sticky ejection.  I will drop the charge .5 grains or more and make another run at it.  I will try the remaining rounds in the Remington 700 and see what happens.  Traditionally it has handled hotter loads better; A June 1995 entry tells me this was not an accurate load in the Remington 700 with the Nosler Solid Base.

Velocity average 2785 from the M760.  In turn my original .5 grain greater load produced 2831 fps at 15-feet from the 22-inch Remington 700 with the 150-grain Hornady and noted to be very accurate.

I love the 270 Winchester but every once and while I think it is more than what I need. (Do not tell my wife.)  The .243 Winchester “might” get the job done with a little less destruction.  The load I am working with exceeds the “controversial” 1000-pounds of energy beyond 470-yards.  The non-hunter will find this offensive, but I enjoy the process of loading a round, sighting the rifle in, and taking game with the round.

Was the 270 Winchester a little too much for a behind the shoulder shoot on this buck?  It was my favored 150-grain Hornady load from the Model 700.  Would the .243 been cleaner?  The 270 hit a rib on entering, creating a 2 1/2 to three inch cone shape whole in the rib cage.  Wiped out a lung, and exited the off shoulder with a hole close to two inches.  The buck took off and ran a few hundred feet before death.

I believe the buck was programmed to run; he had spotted my movement as I brought the rifle up and he jerked his head around to look at me.  His route away from me was in his gps and he put it into gear a nano second after the bullet hit him.


There is a learning process to effectively using a gps.  Do not throw your compass and map away!

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Re: BSET POWDER TO USE INTHE 243 CAL.
« Reply #32 on: July 15, 2010, 12:04:42 PM »
I shot a buck 2 years ago with the same results. It was shot with a 243 100gr Sierra Prohunter at about 75 yds. The right shoulder was so blood shot, it was beyond use.

I've shot other deer the same way and you could eat just about up to the entrance hole. GO FIGGER!!


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Re: BSET POWDER TO USE INTHE 243 CAL.
« Reply #33 on: July 15, 2010, 01:03:31 PM »
I have been using Varget with good results.

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Re: BSET POWDER TO USE INTHE 243 CAL.
« Reply #34 on: July 15, 2010, 03:23:46 PM »

Huntswithdogs:  Your experience is similar to my buddy’s wife, using the 100-grain CL from her 6MM Remington.  Same bullet they load in the 243 Winchester.  She got two bucks in the same season with behind the shoulder shoots.  Husband says damage similar to what his 30-06 does.

I loaded the 40 new WW cases yesterday with the Speer 105 load, along with WMR.  I guess I have around 90 of the 105-grain Speer left.  Looks like Speer has dropped it from production.  I like it among other things for the high ballistic b.c.   I believe the slightly longer bullet adds to penetration, and a few more effective yards downrange.

I am not in the panic load.  The current 105 loads plus the ninety bullets in box might be good for a lifetime.  I think I have about 2 ¾ boxes of the Nosler Solid Base bullets in 100-grain.They are about .015 inches shorter than the 105 Speer and have a much lower b.c.

The WMR (Winchester Magnum Rifle) will work with the 100 grain bullet but I feel I am slipping backwards a little.  I am starting to think about trying some H414 with the 100-grain bullet, it is my Go To powder for the 80-grain bullets.  Data for the 100-grain bullets is all over the place.  Another load increments project and testing with the Chrony setting in front is on the far horizon. 

Some might ask “why” H414 when you are satisfied with WMR.  The bottomline answer, WMR has been discontinued.  Winchester Supreme sells for around $2 a pound more than other slow burning powders but maybe an option.  When I dig back into my reloading manuals I come up with Hodgdon Twenty-Fifth Edition showing “A” 105 grain bullet pushed by H414 producing the top velocity over other powders.  Currently my supply of H414 exceeds the supply of WMR.

 According to my files in 1979 I did some load testing using surplus 4831, and WW785 with the 100-grain Nosler SB bullet. Results were satisfying.  Charges were near the published maximum, but I had no way of measuring velocities.  Chrony’s and a few of the other brands are very common at the range now days.
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Re: BSET POWDER TO USE INTHE 243 CAL.
« Reply #35 on: July 16, 2010, 11:45:31 AM »
Siskiyou,

H414 and H4831, behind 100gr bullets and loaded to near max, shoot to the same point of impact from my 243 with 100gr bullets. Both powders aren't supposed to be temp sensitive either, I don't think.

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Re: BSET POWDER TO USE INTHE 243 CAL.
« Reply #36 on: July 16, 2010, 01:07:17 PM »
huntswithdogs:  Thank-you with the current information.  My rifle likes a “near maximum load of H4831”  Information from a January 1, 1979 note in my 243 file.  Binder is getting thick and I need to upgrade.

If my rifle handles H414 and 100-grain bullets like it handles 80-grain bullets with H414 I will be in good shape.
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Re: BSET POWDER TO USE INTHE 243 CAL.
« Reply #37 on: July 18, 2010, 02:57:34 AM »
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Re: BSET POWDER TO USE INTHE 243 CAL.
« Reply #38 on: July 18, 2010, 08:14:51 PM »
Some might ask “why” H414 when you are satisfied with WMR.  The bottomline answer, WMR has been discontinued.  Winchester Supreme sells for around $2 a pound more than other slow burning powders but maybe an option.  When I dig back into my reloading manuals I come up with Hodgdon Twenty-Fifth Edition showing “A” 105 grain bullet pushed by H414 producing the top velocity over other powders.  Currently my supply of H414 exceeds the supply of WMR"

I do have some slower burning powder on hand but I bought the H414 because I like it for the 80-grain bullets.  If I can get adequate velocity and accuracy from H414 I will be ahead of the game.

I have a few boxes of the older Nosler Solid base bullets on hand in 80-grain and 100 grain.  The focus of this loading will be with the 100-grain using H414.  I all ready have data from IMR4350, H4831, and WW785 from testing in the late 1970’s, but missing any Chrony data. 

The excuse for buying the 243 Winchester was a lower cost per round cartridge compared to the 270 Winchester.  The bullets cost less, and it uses about 30% less powder.  I might have mentioned reduced recoil to the wife.

This week I am hiding from the heat, and killing time between physical therapy sessions.  So I am a bouncing BB from one reloading project to the next.

I spent today loading six increment of increasing charges of H414 behind the 100-grain bullet.  If I run into pressure issues as I progress up the powder column I will pull the bullets from cases that have excessive charges.  I use the time between shots to inspect the case from the round I just fired.

Because the published data for H414 is not consistent I am concerned about having issues.  This is a different lot of H414 than the one I developed the 80-grain loads with.  A question that comes to mind is, has make up of H414 been changed in the last 16 years?  That is when the other 8-pounder was purchased.

The Chrony will be an important part of this testing.  I now have the baseline from my rifle firing the 100-grain C-L, and the 100 grain Federal. 

The data posted by other members is helpful.

At this point the 100-grain ammunition will be for pleasure shooting, and skill building.  The 105 grain load with WMR still takes first place with me as My Go To deer & bear load in the 243 Winchester.  This is my way of reducing current inventory.

Once I have some numbers from the Chrony using H414 I will post them.  A lesson from own rifles is that two different rifles will produce different results, even with the same length barrel.   

This weekend my gps guide me to a number of yard sales out in the country.  At one of them there were three older camera tripods for sale.  I purchase the one that had a standard camera attaching screw.  Brought it home and mounted the Chrony on it; a good steady attachment.  I have been using my more expensive camera tripod so I feel better with the thought of shooting in the direction of a $2 tripod. 
There is a learning process to effectively using a gps.  Do not throw your compass and map away!

Boycott: San Francisco, L.A., Oakland, and City of Sacramento, CA.