410 Slug Gun

[bikerbeans]

Hi All,

I put together a slug gun for my wife and/or daugher.  410 3" Pardner, plastic stock set (youth), cut and crown to 22" and D/T for a scope rail.  Tried a red dot and several types of slugs and @ 25 yards patterned like buckshot.  Took off the red dot and put on an old fixed 4 power scope.  Tried 3" winchester slugs, still looked like buckshot @ 25 yards.  I had one box of 3" Brenneke Silver Slugs, 1/4 oz., I think these are attached wad slugs.  I had to make scope adjustments after the first 2 brenekes.  The last 3 Brenneke slugs shot a 2.5" group @ 60 yards.  All three shots were within a 1/4" of each other left to right, one shot was 2" higher than the other two, maybe me?  I am going to get a few more boxes and see if this is repeatable.  Might actually be on the right trail for a 50 yard deer gun for the women I live with.

BB

[S.E.Ak]

Fifty yards is stretching a .410 for deer,twenty five would be better. Power wise you are looking at 9mm performance with a 100 gr bullet.Sure it can be done sometimes but why put the girls through the thoughts of wounding game and not finding it. They are fun little guns on small game

[bikerbeans]

S.E.Ak,

I've got a 20 gage 870 for them but neither like the recoil with a deer slug.  According to Mr. Brenneke the 1/4 oz. (approx. 109 grain) slug, is traveling about 1200 FPS @ 50 yards, so the 410 round @ 50 yds is about like a 9MM round @ the muzzle of the pistol.  The farm that I can take them to hunt on the shots are probably closer to 25 to 30 yards.  Also, there will be a couple of old guys in close proximity with 12 ga. buckhammers if they need backup.   Shame ohio doesn't allow centerfire as I have both 223 and 22-250 rifles that would work great.

BB

[Airsporter]

I think you could do better handloading a cylinder bore .410 with heavier slugs.  Maybe using brass cases and .41 mag lead bullets?  Just a thought.

Here's an interesting site:  http://mcb-homis.com/slug_410/index.htm

[bikerbeans]

Airsporter,

I agree that heaver slugs would help but I am trying to keep the recoil in a range that my small wife & smaller daughter can put up with.  The 410 is a very limited use load and other than light recoil doesn't bring much to the table.  I would have made a slug gun out of a 28 gage if I had one sitting in the cabinet, but the 410 is what I had to work with.  I think it is only 10% probability that either will hunt deer with me, so if they pass on me this season I will probably find someone who wants a gun like this.

BB


PS: thanks for the link.  I read this a few months ago but with my CRS it was like reading it for the first time.

[wreckhog]

I think that Dinny's mom used .410 slugs. He just sold the gun here not too long ago.

[born-to-hunt]

well placed shot I think a 410 should do although reloaded ammo would probably be better

S.E.Ak,

 Shame ohio doesn't allow centerfire as I have both 223 and 22-250 rifles that would work great.

BB

so I take it you live in Ohio? I live there and was curious.

[Spanky]

Try shooting the remington sluggers. I had a 20" 410 with a 4x on it and it would put them in a golf ball sized group out to about 40yds.
I sacrificed the 410 as a stub for my 32-20 barrel so I don't have one any more... I'd like to get the 410 barrel that comes with the versa pack and mount a scope on it... I'm not a huge fan of using a 410 for deer but you say the ranges would be close so it should work ok. You're doin' a great thing by gettin' the little ladies into the woods with something they can handle and shoot well with.



Spanky

[briannmilewis]

Chuck Hawks has a lot to say about all kinds of shotgun slugs: http://www.chuckhawks.com/shotgun_slugs.htm.

I have been looking around for the same kind of solution, ans I ended up stuck on 28g semi-auto, or just a plain Compact 28g Pardner with a Limbsaver Slip-on added. FWIW

[S.E.Ak]

My book shows the 9mm at 1275fps at the muzzel with only a .12 BC and the .410 must be even lower for BC. You know what the round can do and I know you will be there for them.

[SHOOTALL]

After reading much of the above i can't help but think about the kids that hunt near where i hunt . It seems one will kill a big deer every year and get their picture in the paper. They always use a 410 with a slug or buckshot. Year before last it was buck at 77 mesured yards 3 shot hit the deer . The year before that it was a slug yardage unknown.
There are many here and elsewhere that cut down the use of slugs and buckshot for deer hunting . I figure they know not of what the speak. I have used both for years ( over 40) . The talk of limited range , Really ? Guess they have not shot a sabot slug in a good gun . But more important guess they have not hunted in places where seeing over 25 yards is all but impossible or shot deer run by dogs . We have guys who drive the dogs carry 410's mostlt 870's with short bbls and they kill deer every year. And before you say it no they don't wound then the kill um.
As far as 9mm vs. slug big difference in the leading eadge there , point vs nice big flat area.

[Spanky]

I've taken deer with 00buck out of a 12ga.
To say it hammers 'em would be an understatement.
I don't know alot about sabot slugs but I'm told accuracy is very good with 'em.



Spanky

[SHOOTALL]

Sabots are very accurate , our battle tanks shoot sabots and they are also  very accurate and in some cases {FEDERAL/ATK }the same company dabbles in both .

[Doublebass73]

The .410 is legal in my area for deer and is the most that either of my daughters can stand for recoil so for me on many occasions it has meant the difference between hunting by myself or spending a wonderful day in the field with one of my daughters. I say as long as you know it's limitations then go for it.

[S.E.Ak]

After reading much of the above i can't help but think about the kids that hunt near where i hunt . It seems one will kill a big deer every year and get their picture in the paper. They always use a 410 with a slug or buckshot. Year before last it was buck at 77 mesured yards 3 shot hit the deer . The year before that it was a slug yardage unknown.
There are many here and elsewhere that cut down the use of slugs and buckshot for deer hunting . I figure they know not of what the speak. I have used both for years ( over 40) . The talk of limited range , Really ? Guess they have not shot a sabot slug in a good gun . But more important guess they have not hunted in places where seeing over 25 yards is all but impossible or shot deer run by dogs . We have guys who drive the dogs carry 410's mostlt 870's with short bbls and they kill deer every year. And before you say it no they don't wound then the kill um.
As far as 9mm vs. slug big difference in the leading eadge there , point vs nice big flat area.

You kind of make my point with can't see over twentyfive yards and good sabots.Where do you get your good sabots in .410 and is the frontal area still bigger than a 9mm. I carry a 12 with slugs for bear protection and they work great but buck sucks for bear. Ya we had a kid this year kill a moose with one shot with a 22lr and years ago a kids killed a brown bear with a 22lr which shows anything can happen.

[SHOOTALL]

I agree with the effective range .I find 45 yards more accurate though for foster slugs  though. And .410 vs. .356 is a no brainer in my book. Sabots in .410 ballastic products is a good place to look. Then there are companies that sell sabots for many combinations . A sabot for the 41 cal should work if you hand load . And yes anything can and does happen . I have talked with hunters who have traveled around the world hunting and it seems in many places a single bbl shotgun or 22lr are the only tool aval. One show I saw had a guy that cuts re-bar in 3 inch lengths and loads them in shotgun shells . Now that is a slug !
 My Savage 210 12 ga. would have little trouble taking game to 200 yards with good sabot slugs .

[kevinsmith5]

Bikerbeans - just a thought but could your ladies hunt with a ML? You can have a low recoil .50 cal ML load that will drop a deer cleanly beyond 50 yards.

[bikerbeans]

Kevin,

I might try the MZ with them.  I only shoot BH209, so would be a nice little experiment on how low a powder charge will work.  Will use the undersize sabots, since a stuck one will be easier to drive out of the bore!   Actually, a stuck bullet in an MZ with regular 209 primers probably can't happen as the one time I loaded with bad pryodex pellets the primer blew the pellets and the sabot/bullet out the muzzle about five feet.

BB

[SHOOTALL]

a shot gun loads much faster and unloads faster

[wreckhog]

Ya we had a kid this year kill a moose with one shot with a 22lr and years ago a kids killed a brown bear with a 22lr which shows anything can happen.

Off topic, but HUH? Any more to these stories?

[kevinsmith5]

 found out last year that a 22 LR is legal for deer in NC. Not sure if that says something about how smart our fish and game people are or how wimpy our deer are....

[SHOOTALL]

Or how good shots ya'll are NAW !

[kevinsmith5]

Unless you can put one right through their eyeball, I can't see DRT from a 22 LR. Now some of the .223 80 gr loads, maybe.... Which is legal here. Hey, maybe a .223 for the ladies?

[bobg]

  My wifes uncle shot deer year round. Spot light them at night and one 22 bullet between the eyes and they were DRT. That you can't call hunting though. That is just plain shooting.

[Airsporter]

Spot light them at night and one 22 bullet between the eyes and they were DRT. That you can't call hunting though. That is just plain shooting.

I knew an ex-marine 'mountain man' who kept a loaded Rem Nylon 66 in his truck.  Many a back country deer went down to the mighty 22LR, in the eye or behind the ear, regardless of the season 

[SHOOTALL]

Unless you can put one right through their eyeball, I can't see DRT from a 22 LR. Now some of the .223 80 gr loads, maybe.... Which is legal here. Hey, maybe a .223 for the ladies?

I here tell a shot to the back of the head works well for a bang flop as does below the ear or BTE's . But i have no FHE .

[wreckhog]

Would work from my deer stand

[bikerbeans]

Nice stand!  Did you install gunports or just open a window?

BB

[gjdykeman]

Nice stand!  Did you install gunports or just open a window?

BB

I worked on a project gun a 410 slugger. I bought a Tamer barrel, had it drilled and tapped and I bored the choke out to cylinder bore. 19-1/4" I got 9.3x74r brass fire formed it. 3" 410 brass shells. work great and I can reload forever. Tried 41 cal bullets, cream of wheat and Unique powder, key holed, buckshot pattern. I use 440 balls, 10g of trail boss, a card wad, and seat the balls on the powder. shoots about 14" at 50y. This will put a hole in a deer. This whole project was not what I wanted. I now use factory ammo. I have buck shot. 7-1/2s and Rem slugs. Good for a camp gun and pests. 30y max. The hand made slugs will kill a lot of things but not a deer hunter. Spent well over 200 bucks. I bought a 12g barrel, did the same project. and this gun will kill a turkey at 70y and a deer at 100y or more. 60 bucks in the whole thing and I got a Lee hand reloader to boot. I use my 45LC for the 410 ranges and it will kill an elephant close up and deer far away. Not much more kick in regular 45LC loads and deadly accurate.

[McDerry]

factory loads for a 410 are anemic at best.   Too light for the diameter inturn they get poor penetration.  Also very fragile.   Personaly i've been loading 200 grain .358 bullets into shot cups backwards.