Author Topic: Bullet Lead, Is your meat Ok? (Read 2224 times)

Rex in OTZ · « **on:** June 21, 2010, 10:18:04 AM »

I found this interesting and struck close to home, last winter my son actually found a 243 slug in my caribou potroast's.
I thought I had always been carefull when trimming out the Hemoraged meat, I guess I missed the bullet, it looked like It had struck bone and was misshaped but for the most part intact, how much lead had leached into the potroast is anybody's guess.

Rex in OTZ · « **Reply #1 on:** June 21, 2010, 04:07:24 PM »

Found a little more info.

torpedoman · « **Reply #2 on:** June 21, 2010, 05:00:41 PM »

researchers usually find what they want to and the people who did this research are all biased against hunting in any form. if you look at the pic labeled fig 1, they must have shot the critter with a fragmenting bullet or grenade. no decent bullet will break up like that.

GO for the head shot.

subdjoe · « **Reply #3 on:** June 21, 2010, 05:11:46 PM »

Quote from: Rex in OTZ on June 21, 2010, 04:07:24 PM

Found a little more info.

Have a care with articles like that (note I didn't call it a study). They are put together by anti-gun, anti-hunting groups to push their agenda to ban hunting. Here in CA we have yet another 'ban lead bullets" push in the Legislature.

Lead is fairly stable and, in the form usually used for bullets, takes quite a while to leach into anything. There are people who live for decades with a bullet in them, but don't show elevated blood lead levels. And, when bullets are taken out after years, exhibit little or no loss of mass. I think it was in MN about 10 years ago some studies were done at outdoor ranges about lead leaching. The results were quite surprising. There was a little leaching into the top inch of soil, but the levels were not very high. Same for soil and water studies done at major civil war battle fields, where lead projectiles are in the ground literally by the ton. Water and soils all clean.

Maybe, if you are really concerned, don't feed it to young children. Clean out what you can, spit out the rest, and enjoy.

jlchucker · « **Reply #4 on:** June 22, 2010, 04:08:30 AM »

It seems to me that there's been no problem in this regard for around 500 years or so--what "genius" (or antigunner) has decided to raise this issue now, under the guise of 'research"? People have been hunting game with lead bullets and eating that game ever since firearms were invented. The human race has not experienced difficulties with lead poisoning from bullets found in game animals until all of a sudden now?

mattbowen · « **Reply #5 on:** January 12, 2011, 01:48:54 AM »

jlchucker;

I have to disagree with you one that point, the people who wrote the article/s must have eaten lead laced meat because I don't believe they could have gotten that dumb otherwise..

What I don't understand is these people think we are stupid. Lead comes from the ground in the first place so that tells me that IT IS NATURAL..

Matt

jlchucker · « **Reply #6 on:** January 12, 2011, 02:18:35 AM »

Quote from: mattbowen on January 12, 2011, 01:48:54 AM

jlchucker;

I have to disagree with you one that point, the people who wrote the article/s must have eaten lead laced meat because I don't believe they could have gotten that dumb otherwise..

What I don't understand is these people think we are stupid. Lead comes from the ground in the first place so that tells me that IT IS NATURAL..

Matt

You've got a point there, Matt. But those people are contradicting themselves, it seems. Arent' those leftist, antigunner, protester folks also great proponents of matters such as global warming and its "green" and "organic" solution? You're right--lead comes from the ground and is natural. Ergo, it must be organic as well! The dumbos just don't seem to realize it.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #7 on:** January 12, 2011, 02:23:15 AM »

Many things come from the ground that will hurt you . Being natural has little to do with it . Lead passing thru. digestive acids vs comming in a muscle from a shot may have different out comes . A good study would be welcome.

subdjoe · « **Reply #8 on:** January 12, 2011, 03:36:38 PM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on January 12, 2011, 02:23:15 AM

Many things come from the ground that will hurt you . Being natural has little to do with it . Lead passing thru. digestive acids vs comming in a muscle from a shot may have different out comes . A good study would be welcome.

I would suggest that the lead fragments would pass through the alimentary canal in the usual 72 hours or so, and only about 2 to 6 hours of that is in a highly acidic environment.

mattbowen · « **Reply #9 on:** January 14, 2011, 12:45:07 AM »

I agree LEAD is toxic, but from the time man first started hunting with firearms (to my knowledge) bullets have always been made from lead and I would think that if it were as bad as these idiots make it out to be the human race would have killed itself off due to lead poisoning.

ironglow · « **Reply #10 on:** January 14, 2011, 01:44:58 AM »

  The liberals are always telling us .." if you don't like the cussing & swearing on TV, just change the channel.."

   So we should tell them, "if you are afraid of wild game shot with a lead bullet..don't eat wild game.."

   In recent years, any study..even those done by prestiegous universities..most often will get the results wanted by the group or individual paying for the study.

It seems that one can get more radical results if they pay more radical fees...

In most cases, the entire wound channel is excised from the finished carcase so the situation opening this thread is rare..

BTW: That's why I don't hunt squirrels with shotgun, I remember too well biting onto BBs and imbeded hair...

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #11 on:** January 14, 2011, 01:50:31 AM »

Quote from: subdjoe on January 12, 2011, 03:36:38 PM

Quote from: SHOOTALL on January 12, 2011, 02:23:15 AM
Many things come from the ground that will hurt you . Being natural has little to do with it . Lead passing thru. digestive acids vs comming in a muscle from a shot may have different out comes . A good study would be welcome.

I would suggest that the lead fragments would pass through the alimentary canal in the usual 72 hours or so, and only about 2 to 6 hours of that is in a highly acidic environment.

Which is long enough in the case of birds .
Had a friend in high school who mom cooked steak one night . Hers and his had a hole in it and his dads had a 22 bullet in it. That was in the early 70's and they are still alive.

ironglow · « **Reply #12 on:** January 14, 2011, 11:21:24 AM »

I am not a doctor or nurse and don't pretend to be one, but I believe any ad inside the body gets "walled off" and held isolated from the rest of the body. It is defensive function of the body. Veterans of WW2 are still carrying shrapnel..and bullets for rifles and machine guns in WW2 were also jacketed lead.
Lead ingested, such as shot from a squirrel it would seem, would simply pass through the alimentary canal (per Shootall) and be ejected before it is attacked much by gastric juices.
Still hated biting onto hair & pellets , as a kid ! that's why I only hunt squirrel with a rifle....or rather, only hunt with a rifle.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #13 on:** January 17, 2011, 09:08:22 AM »

Most lead will build up a layer of deposits and oxidation on its walls , an example is lead water pipe . It has been used since Roman times and still in use in places in America. Wood is also found in water main construction . If this layer did not form the pipe would cause more harm .

The Hermit · « **Reply #14 on:** February 09, 2011, 05:00:47 PM »

I've spit out a bunch of BB's from wild game for the last 75 years and I'm still here. When butchering, discard the meat around solid bullet holes, and on rabbits,turkeys etc, I try to pick out the BB's. I save all the lead I find and recycle it. Use all your senses. Look at it, smell it.
Now I will admit that I sometimes have trouble finding where I parked the truck at the mall, but I don't relate that to lead poisoning.

The Hermit

ironglow · « **Reply #15 on:** February 12, 2011, 12:37:20 AM »

Hermit;
I understand how much game cannot be harvested by law with a rifle. I have my own little quirk however, I am a rifleman by heart and choice..love the precision of a rifle....never use a shotgun. That actually shuts me out of a lot of hunting which goes on locally..including any feathered critters, but that's my choice.
I am not condemning shotgun hunting..I just don't do it . As I said..it's my "quirk"..

. Until a few years ago, I had given up deer hunting because my state required shotgun (slugs) be used. But then the state legislature finally got enlightened and legalized rifles in much more of the state, including my area...so big game opened up to me again.

crash87 · « **Reply #16 on:** March 26, 2011, 06:25:21 AM »

Rex, the fact that you even brought this up means you watch way to much of the C.L.M.N.M. (Criminal Liberal Mass News Media) You know the ones, where the news actors preach there leftist agenda.
Lead leaching into the meat? Paleeeze! The last i heard from THEM, was, looking at lead, can kill you, I must be a freakin' cat, 4 times over. Let me tell you this Rex, eating domestic beef CAN and DOES kill you. Last I heard there is no lead in that. Thoughts to ponder, for sure, CRASH87

ratdog · « **Reply #17 on:** April 03, 2011, 08:41:07 PM »

lead bullet propaganda is nothing but crap. worry about all the chemicals that is in are food and water.

lakota · « **Reply #18 on:** April 04, 2011, 03:01:59 PM »

unless you marinate your meat in lead and baste it with lead while cooking I wouldnt worry about it.

torpedoman · « **Reply #19 on:** April 05, 2011, 04:34:27 PM »

The people doing these studies were found to be "salt" the meat with lead before studying it for lead content. Just one little article on that and nothing done to them.

ratdog · « **Reply #20 on:** August 24, 2011, 06:26:55 AM »

my son and me where fishing flaming gorge we were cleaning the fish and and found a nice 30 cal spitzer bullet in its stomach looked brand new. didn't effect the flavor.

Empty Quiver · « **Reply #21 on:** August 24, 2011, 08:53:22 AM »

If a surgeon is not too worried about leaving a bullet inside your body I would not be to worried about a bullet left in my supper.

charles p · « **Reply #22 on:** August 24, 2011, 03:36:32 PM »

I know some people with butts full of lead - and they keep on drawing their welfare checks.