whimp

[SHOOTALL]

Will the general get fired ?

[Ruskin]

If he does the war will turn against us if it hasn't already.  The enemies will use this as propoganda to recruit more fighters to defeat the great satan(USA).

The shirts in Washington are not warriors.  This would be Obamo's chance to look decisive and in control.  However, that is not how the people in the Middle East will see it.

[ironglow]

  The disagreement is between the military, who are the only ones with war/combat experience....and B. Hussein Obama's Columbia/Harvard/Chicago mob cabal.
   Who do you suppose knows better how to fight a war ?

[powderman]

Who do you suppose knows better how to fight a war ?

Sure aint osama and his hand picked scum. I hope Mccrystal retires and tells all. POWDERMAN. 

[blind ear]

Has anyone read the RollingStone interview? I haven't, was just wondering in a brief synopsis what the General said was going wrong. I hope I can find the rag somewhere after I have a brief nap. eddie

[SHOOTALL]

The general was out of line from what the reports say he said ( haven't read the article) if so he leaves the president little room really.

[bearmgc]

From what I saw on Fox News, It seems the remarks he made were more personal attacks than war strategy remarks. He was out of line, and should expect consequences. Maybe he is fatiqued and frustrated, and this could be the time to retire.

[powderman]

BEARMGC. He has retired, Petraes is in. Like Beerbelly said, osama changed the rules for the worse. I don't blame him for being upset with the osama team. POWDERMAN. 

[LONGTOM]

I don't know the facts as I havn't read the artical.

Maybe he just got fed up and decided it was time for someone to stand up to the SOB and tell him off!
There comes a time when one can take but so much.



LONGTOM

[powderman]

I don't know the facts as I havn't read the artical.

Maybe he just got fed up and decided it was time for someone to stand up to the SOB and tell him off!
There comes a time when one can take but so much.



LONGTOM


I believe thats exactly what happened. POWDERMAN. 

[SHOOTALL]

That would be true if any of the cuts were directed at "him" but they were directed at others.

[Dand]

I just read the article at:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37847841/ns/us_news-military/

Appears to me that the Gen had it coming in many ways.  He WAS out of line and has a history of bucking authority. Still there's plenty of blame all around. The Gen might have stayed more in line if he knew he was dealing with a more seasoned and experienced president and presidential advisors. Overall it looks to me like neither group has a great plan for how to deal with this mess in Afganistan.

I've never been in the military and I'm certainly no student of war so I'm definitely not well qualified to judge. But this seems way too similar to Viet Nam - which ended just weeks before I turned 19- I was holding my breath as to what to do my number was 79.

I sure can't see that there is a way to sweep into an ancient country and totally rearrange the "culture" into some "modern" republic in just a few years. That area has thrived on tribal warfare since before Alexander the Great as best as I can understand.

Would like to see a graceful way out that wouldn't leave us vulnerable to all sorts of repercussions world-wide.

[LAREDOBOB]

 I believe that the General had a belly full of Obama and his toads trying to tell a 3 star how to fight a war. He was tired and ready to get out. He did not get to be a 3 star by talking out of place. What he said to Rolling Stones is what he wanted to get out. He will put up with the S#!T storm for a few days and it will all blow over. He will retire and write a book "How I dissed the Prez", go on speaking tours and live a long and prosporus life. Way to go sir. Thank you for your service to our country, you are an honorable man. Godspeed.

[teamnelson]

Evidently in order to win the war in Afghanistan one must never ever permit one's aides make a slightly inappropriate remark about an elected official. The Presiden'ts ego must be stroked at all costs. It would've been more of an assertion of authority to reject the resignation.

[hillbill]

his behavior is just a sign of things to come. everybody i know is rapidly loseing respect of the current adminasstration, their inability to take charge, make decisions and just basically screwing everything up.ive seen it in the workplace, starts with the people closest to the incompetent chieftain in question and spreads like a cancer to everybody they effect.the generals first and upmost duty is to the men under his command, not obama. i think he felt his men were threatened and endangered by obamas style of leadership and he couldnt keep from speaking about it.i myself would of chosen a different venue or method of letting my feelings be known.

[billy_56081]

Careful Major or you're next!

[Dee]

Generals don't tell presidents and vice presidents off any more. They cow-tow for political points and future appointments. They do as their told REGARDLESS of the consequences to troops, or outcomes of wars. Vietnam should have proved that to anyone paying attention. If you didn't pick up on it then, your either too young to remember, or too stupid to get it.
Stormin Norman fought when he was told to fight, and quit when he was told to quit. And 20 years later we're still fighting the same damn war, in the same damn place. Ya just change generals, and send in more troops to die for a cause no one really believes in enough to win. Merle Haggard got it right when he said: Politicians do all the talkin, and the soldiers pay the dues.

[Sourdough]

I think we will soon be running out of Afganistan just like we ran out of Nam.  Just get out and let them kill each other, and decide what they are going to do.

[Dee]

I think we will soon be running out of Afganistan just like we ran out of Nam.  Just get out and let them kill each other, and decide what they are going to do.

There ya go! Should have carpet bombed the training camps with a warning of "don't do that again" or "we'll do this again", and called it a day. This and Iraq are a waste of American blood, and American money, and they were from the start.

[mechanic]

The General showed poor judgement by letting a Rolling Stones reporter follow him for two weeks.  That was his first mistake.....after that it goes downhill.  In another situation he might have been able to blame a subordinate...but in this one he had to take the fall. 

[teamnelson]

Mechanic, truer words. I had an embed in my unit post pictures of my COs body on his blog before the CACO informed his widow. He was booted out of country for his own safety. Got no use for self-aggrandizing journalism.

[SHOOTALL]

Generals don't tell presidents and vice presidents off any more. They cow-tow for political points and future appointments. They do as their told REGARDLESS of the consequences to troops, or outcomes of wars. Vietnam should have proved that to anyone paying attention. If you didn't pick up on it then, your either too young to remember, or too stupid to get it.
Stormin Norman fought when he was told to fight, and quit when he was told to quit. And 20 years later we're still fighting the same damn war, in the same damn place. Ya just change generals, and send in more troops to die for a cause no one really believes in enough to win. Merle Haggard got it right when he said: Politicians do all the talkin, and the soldiers pay the dues.

seems this war has been on again off again for centuries 

[williamlayton]

Seems like we don't remember history--or forget it.
McArthur and a few Union Generals come to mind quickly---not too mention Patton.
Blessings

[Pot-Bellied Stallion]

Mechanic, you're correct.  Those of you who have worn the uniform know the UCMJ well enough to understand that Obama really had no choice, and I'm in no way an Obama supporter.  Personally I feel that any military officer who is stupid enough to allow a Rolling Stone (or any) reporter to follow him around for two weeks is too stupid to have command.  I'm sure the General had a "Top Secret" clearance and he should have been more "tight-lipped" about his feelings, whether professional or personal.  After all, Rolling Stone has never been a military friendly periodical.

[williamlayton]

Doing some further reading it seems that the new General is well accepted amongst the Allies.
Politics being what it is when you aare talking about a multi-national force, it is necessary to have a command that is acceptable too all. Otherwise, you find yourself in a struggle alone.
Let us, once again, look at history and Ike.
While I do not trust Obama as the best choice too be commander-in-chief of anything other than a fund raiser, It seems that this man can communicate military needs better than his predecessor.
This war is not the best use of military as we are equipped to supply. We should be looking at history, once again, and Viet Nam.
Politics, behind the scene, are one thing but fighting is another and should be left too those who are trained.
Sad situation--or do I echo the sentements of 40 years ago?
Blessings

[nw_hunter]

Generals don't tell presidents and vice presidents off any more. They cow-tow for political points and future appointments. They do as their told REGARDLESS of the consequences to troops, or outcomes of wars. Vietnam should have proved that to anyone paying attention. If you didn't pick up on it then, your either too young to remember, or too stupid to get it.
Stormin Norman fought when he was told to fight, and quit when he was told to quit. And 20 years later we're still fighting the same damn war, in the same damn place. Ya just change generals, and send in more troops to die for a cause no one really believes in enough to win. Merle Haggard got it right when he said: Politicians do all the talkin, and the soldiers pay the dues.

Yup! Here is what Marine General Smedley Butler had to say about it all.
He was awarded two Medals of Honor.

I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class thug for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902–1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.[12]

[AtlLaw]

I think we will soon be running out of Afganistan just like we ran out of Nam.  Just get out and let them kill each other, and decide what they are going to do.

There ya go! Should have carpet bombed the training camps with a warning of "don't do that again" or "we'll do this again", and called it a day. This and Iraq are a waste of American blood, and American money, and they were from the start. emphisis added

+1

I said from the beginning, we should have gone in, kicked their butts real good, then left after letting it be known if they mess with us again we'll come back.

We shouldn't assume (but unfortunately we do) that the world's masses, whether they ride water buffalo or camals, share our concept of social behavior or the grand society.

[teamnelson]

Careful Major or you're next!

I'd like to think that by the time he worked his way through all the layers above me the people wouldve intervened.

I tell you what, I'll bet you can tell the men from the boys in Afghanistan right now in the wake of this.

[billy_56081]

I'd even go along with a junta at this point. BHO talks about CHANGE, well that would be change.

[ironglow]

It appears that McChrystal is a big leftie himself, refused Fox News access and courted the association with the big leftie ragmag ..Rolling Stones.
    He thought they were his "friend" and trusted them with "off the record" remarks. As with all lefties, Rolling Stone was his friend until they got what they wanted, and hoping they got goods that hazarded our troop's mission..fed McChrystal to the political dogs.
   According to most all Marxist writings, there's nothing wrong with sacrificing a comrade...after all, the end justifies the means....    
  The general should not have been surprised..

   http://www.westernjournalism.com/mcchrystal-leans-left-banned-fox-news-from-headquarters/