End times ?

[scootrd]

Ok , I would like to think through what will occur if they truly cannot stop the the oil leak in the Gulf and it continues to gush day after day.
Long term impact to our planet ?
Could the planet recover and cleanse itself?
What will be the impact to our oceans , and the cascading events that will follow?
The Gasses being omitted into the air , what will be the overall impact on humans, animals and plant life etc if this continues to gush day in and day out?

I envision a number of end times domino affects taking place , that would reshape our planet, and our way of life as it exists today?

Your thoughts?

[teamnelson]

I don't doubt that we're closer to the end times.

That said, more oil was spilled into the Pacific during WW2 than is presently spilled in the gulf. That may change of course. I think it - the cascading events - spells part of the end of America, but such is the course of any democracy.

[mcwoodduck]

I think the question is not can we turn off the oil but why have we not.
I really think that this president wants an ecological disaster to press his adgenda.
His running to have all off shore drilling terminated in court is proof.
How they have slammed the judge is proof of thier political motives.
How they are not allowing skimmer boats to leave port and soak up the oil.
I think we need to know:
What caused the explosion?
Was this an accident or ECO terrorism?
Why did he send Swat teams to oil rigs?
Was if for protection from Eco terrorism or to gain control of the rigs?
Why was the burn not done in the first 5 days and the government plan says?
The same plan says that oil will not reach LA, MS, or Fla. at the rate this well is leaking.
Why is the navy and the deep sea recovery vehicles not employed to cap the well head?
Who told the Cosat Guard to hold the skimmers in Port till full safety reviews were done of the boats?
Why did the president after playing golf twice during this disaster yell at the CEO of BP for taking a weekend off?
Why did it take almost 2 months for the President to talk to the CEO of BP? 
Whne they did meet they did not talk about how to shut down the well but he demanded Billions that he would be in charge of handing out.

[Swampman]

The "end times" have been here for some time.

[scootrd]

I think the question is not can we turn off the oil but why have we not.

Are you suggesting they can turn it off? Seriously?

I am not dismissing your above statement, but would ask you to expand on what information you have that supports your position they can turn this off anytime they want?

This thread is a discussion on the what if they cannot turn it off , what changes are we going to see long term to our ecology.
However If you have information that they can turn it off anytime they want , I would like to read it.

Until information can be provided they can turn it off and operating on the premise they cannot , I suspect enormous
changes in our  ocean and what we will be able to eat or not eat.

[mcwoodduck]

I think the question is not can we turn off the oil but why have we not.

Are you suggesting they can turn it off? Seriously?

I am not dismissing your above statement, but would ask you to expand on what information you have that supports your position they can turn this off anytime they want?

This thread is a discussion on the what if they cannot turn it off , what changes are we going to see long term to our ecology.
However If you have information that they can turn it off anytime they want , I would like to read it.

Until information can be provided they can turn it off and operating on the premise they cannot , I suspect enormous
changes in our  ocean and what we will be able to eat or not eat.

I know a few people that work in the field.  there are some things that can be done with submersibles (we went to the titanic to pick up dinner plates) the same subs can be used to:
A Use epoxy to attach a new pipe to the broken section with a valve on it.  Once the epoxy is set close the valve.
B Unbolt the colar and rebolt a new colar with the same sub.
C weld a pipe to the colar with a valve.
D There are replacement parts that were a 12 week lead time (valves and tools) that were not ordered cause they thought the heavy mud would work.
   Now those parts are ordered.
I know what you are thinking this is so deep that the human submersibles can not work at this depth.  NOPE the titanic is about 2,000 feet deeper and the Japaneese have a sub that can go almost double this depth.
The Navy has three or more of these subs.  Why are they not being flown to the gulf to repair the broken pipe?

Again if this were not about creating havoc why is the cosat guard not allowing skimmers to go out.
Last report from FLA was they had 2,000 boats equiped with skimmers.  Only 10% were being allowed out.
There are sea booms that were flown in from The UAE (united Arab Emerites) that can handle the currents and the waves in the gulf that are on land, and have been for over a month.  The booms were flown here on day 12 to protect Mississippi.
There is a comittee that is managing the spill and if one member of the comitee does not like the idea they can veto it and nothing gets done.
This whole operation is to create a eco disaster in order to stop all off shore drilling.
There was a govenment plan that called for urning the oil up to day 5 and that was not done.
Same plan said to use dispursants that would break up the oil.
Same plan said if burning was not an option due to weather or sea conditions the gulf would break up the spill at 1.5 times this rate and it would not reach shore.
So no burn, no dispursants, and it still reached shore.
And Now they are not allowing the Sand Islands to be build or expanded to protect the gulf.
If you wanted a disaster how could you manage it better?
Either this administration wants this disaster or it is completely in compitant.  I think both.

[Dee]

Ya know Mr. Duck. I had not thought of that. It is a very good question of why have they not used that technology indeed. They can pick up china plates out of wreckage but can do what's needed. Hmmmmm. Good point.

[mcwoodduck]

I do not live far from the Nation labs here in N CA.  I wish I could say it was my own thought but this past month many people from the labs have been calling in to the local radio shows with these questions and suggestions as what can be done with the rovers, adhesives, welding, and the bolting.
One of my close friends in in the industry and sells the valves, tools and other components to the rigs.   He made mention of bolting on a new valve once it is made and I said how are you going to do that it is 2 miles below the surface.  He answered, " it was bolted in place before, we bolt things on the ocean floor all the time, it is difficult but not impossible".
 All I did was put two and two together and came up with, this is being done on purpose.
And what ever caused it, accident, mismanagment, or eco terrorism. this is being used as an oppertunity to push an adgenda no matter the cost to the enviroment, our economy, or the health of the people of the nation.

[saddlebum]

I think the question is not can we turn off the oil but why have we not.

Are you suggesting they can turn it off? Seriously?

I am not dismissing your above statement, but would ask you to expand on what information you have that supports your position they can turn this off anytime they want?

This thread is a discussion on the what if they cannot turn it off , what changes are we going to see long term to our ecology.
However If you have information that they can turn it off anytime they want , I would like to read it.

Until information can be provided they can turn it off and operating on the premise they cannot , I suspect enormous
changes in our  ocean and what we will be able to eat or not eat.

Can they stop the flow??
http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,209837.msg1099114824.html#msg1099114824

Why don't they???

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,595042,00.html?mep

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,594902,00.html

And of coarse there are other reasons that this disaster can help Obama with his adgenda that are more obvious.
They can still blow the well up with explosives like I mentioned in another thread when this all started. I heard it mentioned on the news and they were talking about nukes but it could be done with conventional explosives to collapse the well in on itself. The GBO thread above pretty much says it all with the comments from the guy that started it, I think.
It can be stopped one way or another so the end of days scenario as far as the oil leak goes is not relevant. Besides there are too many other things going on today concerning the end of days to worry about the oil leak. I think that is small potatoes compared to some other stuff.

[powderman]

You aint seen nothing yet. Wait til the hurricanes dump that oil miles inland. POWDERMAN. 

[saddlebum]

You aint seen nothing yet. Wait til the hurricanes dump that oil miles inland. POWDERMAN. 

Quit trying to cheer me up!!!   

[billy_56081]

I see it as a simple matter. I do not know for sure if they can shut the oil off atthis time, but I can relate it to a leaky roof in a building. Even if at the time you cannot fix the roof, you can put buckets under the leaks and catch a good share of the water before it does damage, where the heck are the skimmers?

[powderman]

where the heck are the skimmers?

Easy answer, osama ordered them to stop cause they were working, he wants a full fledged disaster. Maybe he'll get a miracle from his allah.
I believe BP is dragging their feet, they don't want the leak stopped til they complete their other wells to alleve the pressure. Osama has stopped ALL offshore drilling, uhhhh, all except BP. POWDERMAN. 

[The Hermit]

Every day on Fox news and others, it shows a close up of the oil billowing out of the broken pipe. It clearly shows a "stub" bolted on to the casing. I think mcwoodduck is on to something. I thought the same thing. Why aren't they bolting on a new stub and valve? Can somebody educate me on this? Am I missing something? (no wisecracks either, please)   

   The Hermit

[Sourdough]

Hay, this could be the biginning of real global warming.  The dark oil on the ocean surface will gather more heat and warm the waters.  Warmer waters warmer planet.  We might have rain year round, no more snow.

[ironglow]

 Toward the end of March, Obammy finally relents to offshore drilling..apparently to mask his setting aside of 18,000,000 more acres in the western states..(no drilling or mineral recovery)....  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/31/AR2010033100024.html
   On April 20 we have the largest oil platform..accident...ever ! Could he have "known something ?
     

[ironglow]

  Another view...
   http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/22727

[saddlebum]

  Another view...
   http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/22727

Sorry, but that guy is wrong. The blowout was preventable. He mentions the use of saltwater in circulation of the well. THATS INSANE !!!!
Why did BP order the Horizon crew to use saltwater instead of heavy viscosity drilling mud. Especially on a high pressure well in the Gulf. BP disreguarded everyone's advise to not use seawater instead of drilling mud to hold the pressure down and keep the well under control. NOBODY EVER ANYWHERE AT ANY TIME JUST USES WATER INSTEAD OF MUD, unless you are crazy, or some other bad motive. Mud is what keeps every well everywhere from blowing out. There is no drilling without it. WHY DID BP INSIST ON USING WATER INSTEAD OF MUD? The roughnecks said they knew it would blow because of the way BP forced them to work this well.
The guy in the article said there is no way to tell when these gas bubbles are comming, they take you by surprise. @#$%^&*()*&%$#@.
Pardon my french. There are monitors and pressure gauges everywhere. How does he think they have drilled thousands of these wells without incident? I agree with most of what this guy said, but he is dead wrong to portray this as,"just one of those unavoidable things". There have been and continue to be huge mistakes concerning this well and the spill cleanup. The big question is why?

[ironglow]

  As far as the technical aspects, I have never worked oil field, so I cannot comment on that part.  I call attention to paragraphs
five, six,seven and eight of that article.
 Here's another news article which seems to aim at the same point;

  http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/06/21/kevin-mccullough-obama-bp-spill-february-salazar-resign-change/

[saddlebum]

Good info. ironglow. Some things there I didn't know before. As I said before I agree with most of what the other man said on the other link also. Obama is up to his neck in this mess, but so is BP. It seems the more we look at this, the worse it looks for the both of them. My question is still, WHY. Why did Obama do what he did and does what he does now on the cleanup and recovery of the oil. Why did BP do what they did. Nothing makes any sense unless they want a big disaster because it could have been prevented and it can be stopped. But they won't. If you haven't read this thread yet, it might answer some questions. Or maybe not.

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,210416.msg1099119369.html#msg1099119369

[bearmgc]

I think the question is not can we turn off the oil but why have we not.
I really think that this president wants an ecological disaster to press his adgenda.
His running to have all off shore drilling terminated in court is proof.
How they have slammed the judge is proof of thier political motives.
How they are not allowing skimmer boats to leave port and soak up the oil.
I think we need to know:
What caused the explosion?
Was this an accident or ECO terrorism?
Why did he send Swat teams to oil rigs?
Was if for protection from Eco terrorism or to gain control of the rigs?
Why was the burn not done in the first 5 days and the government plan says?
The same plan says that oil will not reach LA, MS, or Fla. at the rate this well is leaking.
Why is the navy and the deep sea recovery vehicles not employed to cap the well head?
Who told the Cosat Guard to hold the skimmers in Port till full safety reviews were done of the boats?
Why did the president after playing golf twice during this disaster yell at the CEO of BP for taking a weekend off?
Why did it take almost 2 months for the President to talk to the CEO of BP? 
Whne they did meet they did not talk about how to shut down the well but he demanded Billions that he would be in charge of handing out.

Yep.

[ironglow]

  Not dogmatic about it but still an Interesting conjecture;

         a)  33% of the ocean life dies.

         b)  The putrefaction causes plagues where 33% of the people die along with much animal life

         c) Many forms of food production fail, causing famine


                  Obviously, the end times events will be a cascading "domino-effect" situation, once God withdraws his protective hand.
     The question we face... Has God removed the protection he has accorded us all these many centuries ?  Have we gotten to the point  of Isaiah 53:5&6 ?
             

         5)  But He was wounded for our transgressions,
             He was bruised for our iniquities:
             the chastisement of our peace was upon Him;
            and with His stripes we are healed.

      6)  All we like sheep have gone astray;
           we have turned every one to his own way;
           and the Lord hath laid on Him the iniquity of us all.


                 Have we, as a nation turned our back on Him just once too often ? Have we suffered Satan's attacks from without and within for this ignoring of God's word ?
   In Ephesians 6 :11-17 we are instructed to "put on the whole armor of God", ...vs 13, "....that you may be able to withstand in that evil day...".
     Have we done so..are we doing so ?