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Offline waksupi

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« on: November 27, 2003, 08:14:44 AM »
Any tips for taking northern pike through the ice? We have pike that run 20-30+ pounds around here, and I am frustrated by that hard water surface in the winter.

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« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2003, 04:34:11 AM »
what type of water? weeds or stucture? depth? baitfish?
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« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2003, 06:09:31 AM »
The main lake of interest goes to maybe 15 feet deep. Heavy weed cover in the summer, and tends to die down pretty good in the winter. Perch for bait fish. Not a lot of bottom structure.

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« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2003, 07:11:34 AM »
We use tipups with spider wire, wire leaders, a split shot above about 18 inches.  A small flasher between the swivel and the leader sometimes helps attract the fish more.

Usually fish near the edge of weed beds, 18" off the bottom as the pike hang to the bottom and look up.  If you pull the rig up and it is choked with weeds then your too thick. Move over slightly.

We use minnows of different sizes, theory, bigger bait = bigger fish. Hook the minnow in the tail or just under the top fin, don't penetrate the body cavity.  When the fish takes the bait and runs, don't set the hook. He will release the bait or turn it around in his mouth to swallow and move again, then set the hook and hang on.

You can jig for pike too with a reel and spoon tipped with some bait,  gets real fun then.
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« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2003, 07:58:56 AM »
I had real good luck here on the red river using 10" smelts on a quick strike rig under a tip-up. suckers also work really well. if their frozen, take a syringe and fill the body with water to help the bait sink. watch the flag, then hold on tight!!!!
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« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2003, 08:18:58 AM »
Thanks for the suggestions! I'll try them out. Any more deep, dark secrets are more than welcome!

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« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2003, 02:20:51 PM »
You share the same passion I have, I want to see a picture of your 20-30 pound northern!  Tip-ups are the way to go, as is heavy spider wire or fireline, as long as you wear gloves, and loooonnnggg wire leaders are the rule because they will roll and cut your line.  We use quick-strike rigs, if you don't know what they are, ask and it will be revealed.  In NE South Dakota, where we fish, smelt will out fish every other bait combined, hands down, and I don't know why it wouldn't where you're at, your lake sounds much like our lakes.  Find a shallow bay in early ice, hang that quickstrike down with one big smelt or two little ones, and add a teaser minnow on each treble, hooked through the tail so they wiggle more.  Find bottom with a big weight, then adjust the tip-up so the smelt will hang just above the bottom an inch or two, and WAIT.  It is a waiting game, and one or two flags per day is not uncommon, but neither are twenty-plus flag days, just depends on the weather.  We haven't found any water too shallow, one of our favorite bays off a big lake had only 8-12 inches of water under the ice in the deep of winter and we still caught lots of big northerns.  My secret tip is this.  DON NOT RUN TO YOUR TIP_UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   We have found that when we run to the tip up they will often drop the bait and leave, especially if they're bein picky.  Take your time and walk normally to the tip up.  If it took line and it isn't running, gently tug until you feel tension, if you don't feel tension, just leave it set for at least 5 minutes, they often come back, or they're running back at you.  Give yourself lots of line on the tip-ups, you wouldn't believe how fast they can burn line off of a spool.  With the superlines, make sure that you don't horse them in, they have zero give and you will tear the hooks out, if they want to run, let them run, it's more fun that way anyhow.  When you get them near the hole, be patient, wait for the northern to let you guide it's head to the bottom of the hole, and once it's started up the hole, give em hell!  If you let them slip back down you might be in for another long fight or a lost fish.  If the treble hangs up on the bottom of the hole, don't force it, the fih will generally work the hook loose on it's own.  I love fishing for northerns with tip ups, if you really want a rush, reserve once legal line for yourself to jig with, you haven't lived until a 15 pound northern hits your jig line with 18 inches of water under the ice!
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« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2003, 04:26:25 PM »
Please tell me about the quick strike rigs.

I'll see if I can pull up the picture of a 38 pounder caught recently. It was in the local paper, and the guy had a big S_E grin on his face. Turns out, he and his sweetie were having sex in the boat when it struck, and there was more gymnastics than usual in landing it.

I will try out your bait methods. We do have access to smelt here. The whitefish are nearly done running, and it is definitely time to turn to pike!

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« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2003, 04:38:22 PM »
Quick strike rigs can be purchased or made, much cheaper made.  They are basically a rig involving two trebles spaced apart on a long wire leader, the idea being that if the fish is only running with the bait and hasn't really eaten it yet, you can strike immediately, although this doesn't always work in practice.  If you know how to make wire leaders, you can easily make quick strikes, but the easiest way is to buy an 18 inch or 24 inch leader and run a treble over one end of the leader so it slides freely and then put another treble in the snap end of it to hold the sliding hook on.  Hook one treble in the head of the smelt and the sliding treble in the tail, or vice versa.  Put your minnows on each treble for teasers and have fun, or put a smelt on each treble with a minnow, it should work pretty well.  We don't have whitefish where I live, minnows and perch are the main forage fish around here.  If you have any more question, go ahead and ask.
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