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What was the "peaceful" flotilla to Gaza up to ?
« on: June 30, 2010, 09:24:56 AM »
  An old Navy officer searched this out and sent it to me. It shows the unloading of that ship which tried to break the Israeli blockade. Behind bags of flour were mortar shells, rockets and all kinds of weapons + a million Euros for Hamas to play with. He just thought I should see what this "peaceful"  blockade runner and itr's attendant demonstrators were up to.
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Re: What was the "peaceful" flotilla to Gaza up to ?
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2010, 03:40:58 AM »
Those old navy guys do tend to make crap up.

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Re: What was the "peaceful" flotilla to Gaza up to ?
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2010, 04:43:01 AM »
  Correction TM & Wreckhog;
  
     The video was very timely ! Have either of you two ever served in the military ? If you have, you may recall the military operates on a 24 hour clock (e.g. 10:00 PM civilian, is 2200 hrs, military)..the military also dates a bit different.
    The first day of June 2010, to a civilian is 6/1/10...to the military it is 1/6/10 !

   The "peaceful flotilla" was apprehended  31/5/10, when I see posts on the video starting 1/6/10..it doesn't appear unusual.
  For anyone familiar with military dating, dates given as ..21 June 95 or 6 Oct 08 would not sound strange.
       Radio contact between military elements don't always use the number nine for instance...it is usually rendered as "niner".

    Study up, you two !
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Re: What was the "peaceful" flotilla to Gaza up to ?
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2010, 04:44:06 AM »
If you don't want the truth, don't ask me.  If you want something sugar coated...go eat a donut !  (anon)

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Re: What was the "peaceful" flotilla to Gaza up to ?
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2010, 06:03:58 AM »
Some of these religious fanatics will believe any propaganda Israel puts out.
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Re: What was the "peaceful" flotilla to Gaza up to ?
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2010, 09:24:46 AM »
Thanks, I had to enlarge my screen to be able to read the date.  I should know better than to go by the date given in the link to the link. 

IG.....THE DATE STAMP ON THE VIDEO READS: 04-11-09
PLEASE TRANSLATE FOR US 'CIVILIANS'.

Also, please advise on the Anglo inscriptions and nice packaging on the on the war toys; and when Iran or Turkey started inscribing their war toys in Anglo-English script...?   Thank - you.

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Re: What was the "peaceful" flotilla to Gaza up to ?
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2010, 09:54:28 AM »
IG.....THE DATE STAMP ON THE VIDEO READS: 04-11-09
PLEASE TRANSLATE FOR US 'CIVILIANS'.

Also, please advise on the Anglo inscriptions and nice packaging on the on the war toys; and when Iran or Turkey started inscribing their war toys in Anglo-English script...?   Thank - you.

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The date works if you read it upside down in a mirror, move the hyphens and drop the 4. Dem Israelis is krafty.

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Re: What was the "peaceful" flotilla to Gaza up to ?
« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2010, 10:09:17 AM »
There is an "official" video out there. It shows weapons, but no munitions. Weapons are knives, slingshots, metal pipes, power tools, etc.

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Re: What was the "peaceful" flotilla to Gaza up to ?
« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2010, 10:14:15 AM »
There was the fact that the folks on the boat out numbered the soilders and press an attack.
If ya can see it ya can hit it !

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Re: What was the "peaceful" flotilla to Gaza up to ?
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2010, 10:27:08 AM »
You will have to direct me I guess. I viewed the video a couple times over and saw no date marking on the video itself. I did see dates stenciled on the ammo/weapons boxes, which would have no bearing on the video itself..unless those dates were later than the making of the video. The ammo boxes could have been date 1982 and still be just as deadly. In 1955, I used rounds packaged during WW2..
  The fact that those who posted in reply to the video started 1/6/10 seems about right, since people start answering about as soon as something is posted on one of these video sharing sites.
  Obviously I saw the markings on the ammo boxes, anyone could see that. The fact that they were in English I considered of little or no significance, since many of these weapons are purchased on the clandestine international weapons market. It is done that way because the supplier, be it Iran, Korea, Venezuela or whoever, would not want them traceable back to their own state.
   The most accepted "international language" in trade, science and commerce is primarily English.  ? I assumed  you guys already knew that !
                 Don't you suppose that whoever posted this video, be it the Israeli intelligence or whoever, would have caught these simple things, had they been inauthentic ?
   I am open however, please direct me to the stamp on the video itself which is 04/11/09..couldn't find that in any gfiven place on the video itself..
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« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2010, 10:36:14 AM »
There was the fact that the folks on the boat out numbered the soilders and press an attack.
I am pretty sure that was what both sides wanted. Management that is. Obviously not the guys in the mix.

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Re: What was the "peaceful" flotilla to Gaza up to ?
« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2010, 10:40:39 AM »
There is an "official" video out there. It shows weapons, but no munitions. Weapons are knives, slingshots, metal pipes, power tools, etc.

Yep everything you would normally find on a boat. FYI. The knives were from the kitchen Galley.
Personally I could care .  Israel did what they did to make a point and set an example.
They accomplished what they set out to do , because a bunch of nuts had to press the issue.
But lets not make excuses. No civilains (if thats what you want to call 'em pressed any attack
Excessive force was used by the IDF. By all accounts I have read nothing of any significance was found.
Just a bunch of "Hippie nuts" (my words) protesting and got in over their head , and Israel took it seriously enough to make an international point.


On the other hand , they have been fighting for 5 000 years and they will fight in ME for another 5000 years.
Nothing ever changes, so I have given up caring.

So now they have had their WACO as well . Tomorrow it will all be yesterdays news...
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Re: What was the "peaceful" flotilla to Gaza up to ?
« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2010, 10:57:14 AM »
Put up a fence, someone will try to get through it, take down a fence and kill somebody's business.

In Gaza, looser blockade leaves smugglers in limbo
June 30th, 2010 @ 10:07am
By IBRAHIM BARZAK
Associated Press Writer


RAFAH, Gaza Strip (AP) - Smuggling through tunnels into the Gaza Strip has dipped as their operators try to figure out whether they'll still have a business once Israel eases its blockade of the territory.

Some of the hundreds of tunnels under the border with Egypt have suspended work. Others now only bring in the most sought-after items, such as cement, steel, fuel and cigarettes. Some Gaza shopowners and traders have frozen orders of smuggled goods until they find out whether merchandise coming in legally from Israel will be cheaper.

Gaza's entire business community is in limbo, following Israel's announcement last week that it would significantly loosen its 3-year-old chokehold on Gaza, after coming under harsh international criticism over its deadly raid on an Gaza-bound international flotilla of pro-Palestinian activists.

"We've had very slow traffic these days," said one tunnel owner, who only gave his first name, Ayman, for fear of repercussions from Egypt which has cracked down on smuggling. "Merchants are waiting to find out what items are going to be allowed through the Israeli crossings."

Under the blockade, imposed after Hamas' violent Gaza takeover in 2007, Israel only permitted the import of a few dozen items, such as basic foods and medicines. In response, smuggling flourished, and a wide range of goods from fuel to candy to cars and livestock were brought in through tunnels.

Now Israel promises to let in everything except weapons and "dual use" items that could be diverted by Hamas for military purposes.

However, a broad definition of "dual use" could keep out many raw materials and construction supplies, seen as key to restarting Gaza's devastated factories and building industry. Throughout the blockade, Israel has only allowed in a trickle of construction materials, and only if destined for an international aid project.

In coming days, Israel is to release a list of products that would continue to be banned, and Foreign Ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor said it will include "metal and pipes, which are used to manufacture rockets, fertilizer used to manufacture explosives and a number of similar items."

Even the least problematic category, consumer goods, is shrouded in mystery. Traders don't know when the expanded flow of goods will begin.

Maj. Guy Inbar, an Israeli Defense Ministry official, said the number of trucks deliver goods via Israel's main cargo crossing into Gaza is expected to double to about 250 a day within the next month or two.

Gaza would need about 900 truckloads a day, particularly of long-banned construction supplies and raw materials for industry, according to Ali Abu Shahla, a Gaza business leader.

The Hamas economics minister, Ziad al-Zaza, has said his government may block some imports, such as juice and soda, to protect local industry. Hamas has been profiting from the tunnels, both directly and through taxes, and it's not clear whether it would take steps to try to protect the smuggling business.

Many merchants say they prefer to import through Israeli crossings. Dealing with smugglers has been a headache, they say, because supplies, prices and quality are unpredictable.

"No doubt, the legal border crossings are better for me," said trader Jibril Shaker. "We are in a test phase now, and it's too early to tell if we will say goodbye to the tunnels."

As a result of such caution, tunnel traffic has dropped sharply, said Issa Nashar, mayor of the Gaza border town of Rafah, which supplies electricity and other services to the smugglers. He had no firm figures.

Ayman, the tunnel owner, said he is focusing operations on goods guaranteed to make a profit, like cement and fuel. He's also using the downtime to fix up his tunnel.

The tunnels run side by side under the border, just a few meters (yards) apart from each other, with a tent covering each entrance. On normal days, the tent city resembles an industrial zone, with generators humming and trucks rumbling along sandy paths to collect merchandise.

On a recent morning, only a few trucks were waiting for deliveries, and the only shipments were of cement and steel rods.

Nearby, the owner of a wholesaler's warehouse for smuggled goods was trying to anticipate what items Israel would allow in.

Since the raid on the Gaza-bound flotilla, Israel has already started easing the blockade slightly. Several dozen more types of goods have come in, including food and household items.

For 44-year-old Abed, the warehouse owner, this has meant a loss of $10,000 on a shipment of Turkish jam, after he said Israel recently lifted the ban on confiture imports. The Turkish merchandise is 30 percent more expensive because of the higher cost of smuggling.

His warehouse was stuffed with goods, including chocolate, gum, soda, juice, rice, oil, milk and candy. Customers bought goods or placed orders, and young men loaded shipments newly arrived from the tunnels into white plastic bags and boxes.

Sitting behind a small desk and smoking, Abed talked on his cell phone to business partners in Egypt and Gaza merchants dealing with Israeli products. He spoke on condition of anonymity, because he also has a legitimate job and feared problems with his employer.

Abed said he's now reviewing each item to see if it's still worth smuggling. For example, he said he'll keep bringing Lipton's tea from Egypt because it's one-third cheaper than the Israel import.

At the end of the supply chain, in a Gaza City supermarket, owner Maher Abdel-Hadi said he'll buy from smugglers and legitimate traders as long as the price is right.

For example, he said he can now get Swiss roll cake from Israel for eight shekels, or about $2.05, a piece, compared to 11 shekels, or $2.85, for the smuggled merchandise.

Abdel-Hadi said he prefers orderly imports, but hopes tunnels will keep operating as a fallback in case Israel ever decides to retighten the blockade.

"We will remain hostages to the mood of the Israelis," he said. "We don't trust their words."

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Re: What was the "peaceful" flotilla to Gaza up to ?
« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2010, 11:29:09 AM »
TM;
  I didn't see the date but I'll take your word for it. I did see one date below the picture indicating something like 1/15/09 or similar.
  Not being able to decipher Hebrew without digging out my books, I could not be sure of the significance.
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Re: What was the "peaceful" flotilla to Gaza up to ?
« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2010, 12:03:46 PM »
No secret they have been smuggling in stuff for a long time.  That's why they want to check the loads.  Also no secret the masked terrorists are on the ships as well, another reason to check it out.

Seems like a no brainer to me. But what do I know?


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Re: What was the "peaceful" flotilla to Gaza up to ?
« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2010, 03:16:43 PM »
It is quite likely the thousands of rockets raining down on Israel from Gaza proves something. They had to come in from somewhere, and it needs no further explanation..
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« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2010, 03:24:52 AM »
It is quite likely the thousands of rockets raining down on Israel from Gaza proves something. They had to come in from somewhere, and it needs no further explanation..
That is a broad stroke. Instead of making this flotilla a scapegoat , why not establish a direct connection. Did the flotilla guys claim to smuggle munitions? Why blame them vs the hundreds of other pipelines?

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« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2010, 05:34:40 AM »
TM;
  Sometimes I believe you and I are not far apart when we see sinister forces trying to come up with rulership of the world, tyhe only difference being we see different actors as these sinister forces. :D
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« Reply #19 on: July 02, 2010, 06:57:31 AM »
TM;
  Sometimes I believe you and I are not far apart when we see sinister forces trying to come up with rulership of the world, tyhe only difference being we see different actors as these sinister forces. :D

This is the most profound statement I have seen posted regarding Israeli /Palestinian  thread discussions.
It's all perspective.  5000 years from now it would be interesting to see what recorded history will document as who the bad guys and who the good guys were.

In the interim , ME needs to learn the word tolerance. Don't have to be friends , But given geography just have to be tolerant neighbors . It's a shame it's a lesson none in ME will ever learn.  
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Re: What was the "peaceful" flotilla to Gaza up to ?
« Reply #20 on: July 02, 2010, 02:14:41 PM »
Quote
Instead of making this flotilla a scapegoat , why not establish a direct connection. Did the flotilla guys claim to smuggle munitions?

Well this is the way it really is....the activists on the flotilla's are nothing but "useful idiots" to the Hamas.  Anyone that can't see that is pretty much blind.
And the Palestinians will never get anywhere hanging out with the Hamas, so it seems to me, the old "be careful who you hang with" pretty much says it all, no matter where you live or who you are. 

Lots of folks make this more complicated than it really is.  Hamas is very open about what they want with Israel.  Palestinians made a choice to let them melt in with them...the activists...just as stupid, but very useful to Hamas.

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Re: What was the "peaceful" flotilla to Gaza up to ?
« Reply #21 on: July 03, 2010, 04:15:36 AM »
JIMSTER. Good post, all true. Let hamas feed the palis, ooooopps, I forgot, they don't care about them, they use their money for guns, ammo, bombs, rockets, etc, to murder innocents with. Ah well, priorities ya know. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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« Reply #22 on: July 03, 2010, 01:56:31 PM »
  Basically, what I was referring to was that TM seems to have in mind some cabal made up of bankers, industrialists etc, whereas I think it is a group made up of Fabian socualists, progressives and those ivy leaguers who have bought into tyhe idea that Communism could work if only the "right people" tried it.
  I am inclined to think the main mover and shaker behinnd this, is old "Smutty-face" himself. The ivy leagures, Fabian socialiste, progressives and a certain percentage devotees of Islam, are simply "useful idiots" in his cause.
   But that's just my opinion.
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« Reply #23 on: July 05, 2010, 01:12:55 PM »
Let's look at George Soros for instance; he has a history of trying to destroy the financial fabric of nations in an attempt to destroy them.
  In just one of his ventures, he wants to drill for oil offshore of Brasil with a concern he likely owns...and BHO gives him some of our tax money to do it !
   Something "happened" to a very large drilling platform; probably the least likely one to be able to immediately shut off the flow of crude into the gulf. This works well for Obammy's "base" who hate offshore drilling any way. Why bother cleaning it up right away ?
   Remember; "never fail to take advantage of a good crisis"  ...Send a bunch of blood-sucker lawyers, long before sending cleanup ships.

   Meanwhile, announce a "moratorium" on drilling in the Gulf..that being limited to those rigs off OUR shores. With a moratorium, that would release rigs to go to Brasil and other places, forcing the U.S. to use an even higher percentage of foreign product. Those rigs would be gone for years..sealing our dependance upon crude from places like Saudi Arabia, Russia, Kuwait, Venezuela and other places we should be pleased to send our national wealth to.
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« Reply #24 on: July 06, 2010, 01:42:13 AM »
Obama must be the luckiest man in the world. If he has some left wing legislation he wants passed, a crises pops up on just that subject.
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« Reply #25 on: July 06, 2010, 11:46:29 AM »
Obama must be the luckiest man in the world. If he has some left wing legislation he wants passed, a crises pops up on just that subject.
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You noticed that too????? Wonder what he'll say when the hurricanes dump all this oil 20+ miles inland??? POWDERMAN.  ??? ???
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« Reply #26 on: July 07, 2010, 12:59:05 AM »
Obama must be the luckiest man in the world. If he has some left wing legislation he wants passed, a crises pops up on just that subject.
                                           Beerbelly

   ...Spose it "just happened" ?

   Many reports coming in now, saying Obamanites knew the well was in danger of blowing months before it did...and still refused to shut down the operation.

   http://www.wral.com/golo/blogpost/7818014/
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« Reply #27 on: July 07, 2010, 01:22:15 AM »
From what Sourdough says, just about every BP operation is in danger of blowing. Yet, we let them stay in business. Hmmmm.

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« Reply #28 on: July 10, 2010, 12:04:06 PM »
....follow the money trail..it eventually leads to many politicians on both sides of the aisle...

  http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/36783.html
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