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Offline Wyo. Coyote Hunter

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My goldens are 6 and 15 years of age..the old guy is going down, but still hanging in there ...I just bought some Science Diet Adult dog food for both of these pals...I had been using Pedigree, then I read the lables...Old Roy High Performance seemed to have more protein and fats than other brands..this morn. I was talking with the little gal that keeps my dogs when I must board them...she said Old Roy H P was terrible stuff and switch to S. D.  so I did....now when I read the stuff in S. D. it starts with yellow corn, and goes on...I was told the first ingredient of the food should be protein....I want good food for my pets...but I don't want to was my $ either...I know somethings are sold at a higher price due to the name...what do you feed you favorite dogs....DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT THE BEST QUAILITY DOG FOOD REALLY IS?????????????????????? I sure would like some help with this...I want to do the best for my dogs......

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I am by no means an expert. I do know a few things about feed though. The source is important as is how the testing is done. For example in cattle feed protein can be increased by injecting anhydrous ammonia or blending urea into the ration. These two are simple nitrogen fertilizers! Unlikely they use ammonia in dog food but this is an example of the shenanigans that can be played by test labs, I'm not even saying the cows get no good out of the fertilizer, as they do gain better on it.

I think the attention to detail and nutritional balance might be better in the SD. An old dog doesn't require the protien or calories that a young dog does. Who knows it might taste better too. On the other side you can bet your vet is in the dogfood business to make a good profit per bag, unlike WM who is doing it on volume and buying power.

I have hauled corn into dog food factories and can tell you corn is far and away the main ingredient. It's been a long time but if memory serves the ratio was something like.

8 parts corn
2 parts soybean
1 part wheat
1 part meat scraps
and much smaller amts. of vitamins bone meal and other stuff

My dog gets Purina Dog Chow and seems happy to have it.
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  I have fed my dogs Alpo for years. As far as i can see it is as good as anything and the dogs like it. If i am reading it right the ingredients pretty well match what Empty Quiver said.

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In the hot, Summer months,I really like Diamond naturals lamb and rice, it has a little less fat and protein, seems to keep the dogs a little cooler in the heat. When the temperature starts dropping I really like Diamond naturals puppy food mixed 50/50 with Diamond naturals chicken and rice. There is NO corn in the Diamond naturals. I have had really good luck with the Diamond brands and most of the guys I hunt with, feed one brand/type of Diamond or another. Regards, Steve

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Our dogs really like Purina Beneful. They enjoy it and they are healthy.

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Empty Quiver mentioned the use of non-protein nitrogen sources in cattle feed (i.e. urea).  This is not a “shenanigan” that is played by test labs.  Cattle are ruminants, having a multi-chambered stomach in which microbial fermentation of feed stuffs takes place.  Rumen bacterial population can use this non-protein nitrogen to build amino acids, which in turn are assembled into microbial proteins.  These microbial proteins are then digested by the cattle as an excellent protein source.

Empty Quiver is correct in stating that the reported protein content of a feed can elevated by adding non-protein nitrogen sources.  This is due to the fact that in order to determine the protein content of a feed, the nitrogen content is measured and the protein content is calculated based on the nitrogen content (protein is 16% nitrogen). 

Dogs on the other hand are simple stomached animals, and would not benefit from added non-protein nitrogen sources.  I am not going to tell you a particular brand of food that is best, but here are some guidelines to keep in mind.
-Dogs need protein, fat, carbohydrates, vitamins and minerals and the levels of these nutrients will change based on the dogs stage of life, breed, activity level, ambient temperature etc.
-Cheap dog foods use cheap ingredients, but some expensive dog foods also use cheap ingredients.
-Unless I have specific details about a specific dog food, I would recommend sticking with one of the reputable high quality dog foods.  The reputable companies spend hundreds of thousands of dollars in research and development to try to keep a competitive edge over the competition, and this benefits your dog.
-Pretty colors and fancy shapes have no nutritional value whatsoever.
-I like to see meat products as the first ingredient.  Dogs can utilize the amino acids in the proteins for their own protein needs, or convert them to energy as needed.  Meat also contains the essential amino acids that the dog is not able to manufacture on their own. 
-Fats are used for energy.  Fats are also very important in several regulatory activities within the body including the formation of some hormones, and cell membrane integrity. 
-Many dog foods use cheaper ingredients such as corn meal as a filler.  Dogs can utilize the carbohydrates in the corn for energy, but the digestion is less efficient than for fats and proteins.  Less efficient utilization means that for a given volume of food, there will be less food utilized, thus more to clean up in the kennel.  Additionally, the pathways for carbohydrate utilization are different than those for energy utilization from proteins and fats.  Carbohydrates are digested to simple sugars (glucose).  As glucose levels in the blood increase, insulin levels increase to stabilize blood glucose levels.  One of the things that insulin does is signal the adipose cells to start storing the extra glucose as fat.  Over feeding of energy, especially carbohydrates can lead to obesity.

Some general guidelines
      Protein      Fat
Puppy      28%      17%
Adult      18%      9-15% depending upon temp, activity level, breed etc
Performance    25%      20%

I had better stop rambling, I hope this helps, and does not just muddy the water.
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If your dog is a hard hunting or hard working dog, you may be able to feed 23% protein. If they are older or not active you should stay with 21% or even lower protein, failing to do this could result in kidney problems.
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I agree shenanigans probably was a poor choice of words, and gaining weight was a nod to the ruminant stomach of cattle. Your clarification was better than what I could come up with.  Realizing that source could be more important than a raw number was the point. Soy based protein isn't always usable but it still is protein, and can be labeled as such.

 It's like a 50 gallon rain barrel with a hole half way up is it really a fifty gallon barrel? The kennel cleanup is something my daughter is keenly interested in, she has a pill in mind for a food source. A Golden with a bird dropping is her goal!
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 ;) Thanks for this information, I would like some brand names you guys feel are good solid food for my dogs...I bought the high preformance food from wal mart because I thought the protein level would be good, but a friend told me the level is made high due to the use of chicken feathers...honest...so what I need I guess are some brand names I can get that are good food for my friends...some have mentioned names like Alpo and Purina, I am sure I can find those, but the Diamond brand is a new one on me...I will check at the feed story...I guess I want to be sure I get good stuff with out wasting my $ on a name...thanks for the replies...it takes dog lovers to know how important they are to us...

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@3 % protien in working season and 21 % in summer when to hot to work hard . As for brand i use Tractor Supplys or Southern States food . What i do also is watch their stool . Not to mush or to runny . I have fed some foods that seem to cause alot of both.
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The Diamond brand can be found at Tractor Supply stores, I have heard that Tractor Supply's "store brand" is also made by Diamond. I have literally spent hours looking over the ingredient labels on "expensive" foods and haven't really found anything that appears better better per dollar spent than the Diamond brands. The Natural's are about $30 per 40 pound bag. I really like the Naturals because 1) they are corn free 2)Meat is the first ingredient 3) I have had great results with them, dogs stay healthy, trim, and produce hard/minimum stools. Regards, Steve

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if you want to see why they cost more check out the advertising budgets !
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