i've been screwing around for a while trying to get a cast bullet to shoot well in my old winchester 32 special with mixed results. I went to the range yesterday with some new stuff to try....170 gr FN plain base bullets i bought from Oregon Trail and some 4759 i picked up a couple weeks ago. I had loads with 13 grs,14grs,and 15grs of 4759. The 13 gr load wanted to string vertically for some reason, but the 14 gr and the 15 gr load both did 3 shot groups of 1-1 1/2 " at 50 yds and that's with a Lyman tang sight and post front sight. That's as good as i can shoot with iron sights anyway. The 15 gr load should be right at 1600 fps according to the data i used(no chrono). When i got home i took a good look at the bore, no leading, i wasn't even planning on cleaning it. So i have a 170 gr bullet at 1600 fps that shoots as comfortably as a rimfire and will go an inch at 50 yds with iron sights in one of the nicest,handiest guns to carry around(m94 winchester). Probly work on deer out to 100 yds or so........