Author Topic: Gay Marriage Ruling; Mixed Feelings (Read 3839 times)

WylieKy · « **on:** July 09, 2010, 06:21:28 AM »

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/09/doj-reviews-mass-rulings-fed-gay-marriage-ban/?test=latestnews

Edit: The important part for those that don't follow links.

U.S. District Judge Joseph Tauro said the law, the Defense of Marriage Act, interferes with the right of a state to define marriage and therefore denies married gay couples some federal benefits.

One of my grandfather's favorite jokes: Q-What are mixed feelings? A-Watching your mother-in-law drive over a cliff in your brand new truck!

That's kind of how I feel about this. It's good to see the states stand up for state rights and buck the feds, but it's a shame that it's not about an important topic, like healthcare or The (Un)Patriot Act or Cap and Trade or....dog bowls.

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #1 on:** July 09, 2010, 07:13:08 AM »

There have been several states and cities that have filed lawsuits against the health care bill. Cap and trade haven't passed yet. Don't know if anyone has filed against the Patriot Act.

http://reason.com/blog/2010/03/24/13-states-2-lawsuits-against-h

powderman · « **Reply #2 on:** July 09, 2010, 09:02:46 AM »

I have no mixed feelings about gay marriage. Homosexuals are condemned all through the Bible. A real marriage is a man and a woman making a committment to each other and God. These people have totally left God out of the picture. I read where the today show on nbc is going to feature weddings, including gay and lesbian couples. By feauring and promoting these perverts nbc is just as guilty of sin as the deviate couples are. I'd love to write nbc but could not find a link to write them. POWDERMAN.

Dee · « **Reply #3 on:** July 09, 2010, 09:30:33 AM »

I don't care what queers do. Just don't do it in front of me.

Ruskin · « **Reply #4 on:** July 09, 2010, 09:38:50 AM »

Who has jurisdication over marriage? I believe God institued marriage long before states existed.

Therefore, the state cannot have jurisdication. It would be wrong for a state to believe it has supreme power over marriage.

Old Fart · « **Reply #5 on:** July 09, 2010, 09:50:10 AM »

Unfortunately I believe the state have jurisdiction.
Perhaps someone else will know for sure.
This can open a whole other can of worms.
Most states honor the outcome of other states laws at least to some extent.
It'll be interesting to watch how this unfolds.

Dee · « **Reply #6 on:** July 09, 2010, 10:40:19 AM »

Quote from: Ruskin on July 09, 2010, 09:38:50 AM

Who has jurisdication over marriage? I believe God institued marriage long before states existed.

Therefore, the state cannot have jurisdication. It would be wrong for a state to believe it has supreme power over marriage.

Why would it? They think they have supreme power over life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, along with all your possessions. Why would they stop at the threshold of Holy Matrimony? Hasn't stopped them before.

dukkillr · « **Reply #7 on:** July 09, 2010, 10:58:51 AM »

Quote from: Old Fart on July 09, 2010, 09:50:10 AM

Unfortunately I believe the state have jurisdiction.
Perhaps someone else will know for sure.
This can open a whole other can of worms.
Most states honor the outcome of other states laws at least to some extent.
It'll be interesting to watch how this unfolds.

This fight was brewing years back when I was sitting in a family law class. At the time we agreed that the SCOTUS should simply accept one of these gay marriage cases and deal with it. Since then a lot of time and money has been wasted on both sides of the issue and there still is no clear answer to a very complicated legal question.

powderman · « **Reply #8 on:** July 09, 2010, 11:15:36 AM »

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there still is no clear answer to a very complicated legal question.

Legal and right and wrong have nothing in common anymore, roe vs wade is a prime example. Lawyers see everything as legal, or not legal. Lawyers might do well to pay attention to the Bible and what God has to say instead of worrying about mans law. In the end only Gods law will matter. POWDERMAN.

WylieKy · « **Reply #9 on:** July 09, 2010, 01:29:59 PM »

Quote from: WylieKy on July 09, 2010, 06:21:28 AM

interferes with the right of a state to define marriage

This is the really interesting part. What if Obama and the liberal congress decides to federally support gay marriage? Wouldn't this ruling be a double edged sword? If this ruling is upheld, then the converse of legal gay marriage being forced down the throat of an unwilling state by the feds be negated? The way that I read it, the legality of gay marriage isn't what is being called into question, but the federal governments ability to endorse one or the other. Dukkillr, is that the same take you would have?

dukkillr · « **Reply #10 on:** July 09, 2010, 01:34:14 PM »

Quote from: WylieKy on July 09, 2010, 01:29:59 PM

Quote from: WylieKy on July 09, 2010, 06:21:28 AM

interferes with the right of a state to define marriage

This is the really interesting part. What if Obama and the liberal congress decides to federally support gay marriage? Wouldn't this ruling be a double edged sword? If this ruling is upheld, then the converse of legal gay marriage being forced down the throat of an unwilling state by the feds be negated? The way that I read it, the legality of gay marriage isn't what is being called into question, but the federal governments ability to endorse one or the other. Dukkillr, is that the same take you would have?

It is, but this is a district court judge... we are several courts away from anything worth talking about.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #11 on:** July 09, 2010, 01:49:11 PM »

Quote from: Dee on July 09, 2010, 09:30:33 AM

I don't care what queers do. Just don't do it in front of me.

Here in CA we had the vote on this twice.
I too do not care but I took the Lieral argument about Christmas sceenes on the city hall lawn and applied it to gay marrage.
The City hall argument is " you can not use tax dollars to display something that would or could offend others religon or lack there of"
Well gay marrage could and does offend some religous people and using tax money to marry them in the form of the Judge fits that argument.
I have a friend that has a gay aunt. Used the same argument against her and she is too far left for logic but her partiner, the smart one of the two understood and agreed.

DDZ · « **Reply #12 on:** July 09, 2010, 02:00:05 PM »

That is right PM. Right and wrong is not determined by what the Bible says anymore. Its determined by whatever our law makers say is right and wrong.
Once this nation was governed by moral men, that based their decisions on what the Bible said. Now its governed by men that make decisions based on self interest and greed, rather than decisions based on what is morally right and wrong. Of coarse this is the way it is, because its reflective of this Nation who elect these type of people.
The Founders understood that Biblical values formed the basis of the republic and that the republic would be destroyed if the people's knowledge of those values should ever be lost. This republic is certainly on its way of destroying its self within.
We can talk about what should be done and what needs to be done to make this republic what it once was, but until we as a nation understand and return to Biblical values, the slide toward the end will continue.

teamnelson · « **Reply #13 on:** July 09, 2010, 02:34:03 PM »

Here's a thought, let's leave the term "marriage" out of politics. If the gay community wants equal civil liability, taxes, property ownership, healthcare ... but I don't think that's all they want.. They want courts to force pastors to do the service in a church; they want to wave their fist in Gods face. They know it, and everyone else knows it which is why they fear popular vote on the issue - look at CA with an amendment even. Lingle vetoed the bill here and suggested it be put to popular vote and liberals are mad.

Dee · « **Reply #14 on:** July 09, 2010, 03:43:26 PM »

My real response queer marriage, is in the First Chapter of Romans. And those whom define todays laws, my response is also in Romans Chapter 1. Verses 22 thru 25 covers the queers and the ones for it.

powderman · « **Reply #15 on:** July 09, 2010, 05:27:16 PM »

Quote from: Dee on July 09, 2010, 03:43:26 PM

My real response queer marriage, is in the First Chapter of Romans. And those whom define todays laws, my response is also in Romans Chapter 1. Verses 22 thru 25 covers the queers and the ones for it.

YEP, and there plenty more Bible references if anybody wants them. POPWDERMAN.

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #16 on:** July 09, 2010, 07:27:39 PM »

Quote from: powderman on July 09, 2010, 09:02:46 AM

I have no mixed feelings about gay marriage. Homosexuals are condemned all through the Bible. A real marriage is a man and a woman making a committment to each other and God. These people have totally left God out of the picture. I read where the today show on nbc is going to feature weddings, including gay and lesbian couples. By feauring and promoting these perverts nbc is just as guilty of sin as the deviate couples are. I'd love to write nbc but could not find a link to write them. POWDERMAN.

Google is at your finger tips. I am sure you can find an email address for them. I would bet they are not even trying to hide it. I like you PM but that is a weak excuse. Take care Dale

slim rem 7 · « **Reply #17 on:** July 10, 2010, 03:49:46 AM »

ive my on thoughts concerning same sex stuff. being around animals all my life ,i see animals do strange things .. i ll let the real judge do his job..i just get to lovem as fellow children of god.. slim

beerbelly · « **Reply #18 on:** July 10, 2010, 04:13:06 AM »

That queer scum should not be allowed to live and breath! The bible says they are to be stoned to death. I am all for it.
Beerbelly

powderman · « **Reply #19 on:** July 10, 2010, 04:22:56 AM »

DALE. I searched through dogpile last evening for at least 30-45 min. I found a mailing address but no link for email. I've noticed a lot of companies give lots of info but no link to contact them. Try finding a link for them, dairy queen has no link for contact, and a lot of others. If you can find a link my friend, I'll use it. Hope your tomatoes are doing well. POWDERMAN.

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #20 on:** July 10, 2010, 04:59:41 AM »

Quote from: powderman on July 10, 2010, 04:22:56 AM

DALE. I searched through dogpile last evening for at least 30-45 min. I found a mailing address but no link for email. I've noticed a lot of companies give lots of info but no link to contact them. Try finding a link for them, dairy queen has no link for contact, and a lot of others. If you can find a link my friend, I'll use it. Hope your tomatoes are doing well. POWDERMAN.

It is a long story but this is the first time in 8 years I do not have a garden growing.

I am hopping your seeds are still good for next year. Here is a link to voice your opinion on NBC tv shows. Take care Dale
http://www.nbc.com/contact/general/
Here is there email address
nbcolympicsfeedback@nbcuni.com

powderman · « **Reply #21 on:** July 10, 2010, 07:37:08 AM »

DALE. Thanks friend, you are more computer literate than I am, I sent them a letter, I doubt they will respond. I told them that it would be better to cancel the program than to let these perverts win, also gave them Biblical references to it. Thanks, Charlie.

Rolandedwinjohnson · « **Reply #22 on:** July 10, 2010, 07:42:06 AM »

I'm not a lawyer, just an engineer. But, I have a copy of the Constitution handy and I think it is both a 10th and a 1st amendment (free exercise of religion) issue.

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited to it by the States, are
reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

To me this indicates that Gay Marriage can not be regulated by the FedGov. My opinion is that Marriage is a religious sacrament and is a 1st amendment issue that can not be regulated by either FedGov or State Gov.

To the extent that the states have an interest in the care of the young and financial security there may be cause for civil unions, but not marriage since it is a religious sacrament.

This should satisfy no one.

powderman · « **Reply #23 on:** July 10, 2010, 08:13:24 AM »

ROLAND. When our constitution was written same sex marriage wasn't even thought of, why should it have been??? It's not mans laws they should worry about, but Gods. POWDERMAN.

crustylicious · « **Reply #24 on:** July 10, 2010, 09:11:12 AM »

Some pretty tough talk coming from an adulterer!

What God has joined together, let man not separate . . . I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery (Matthew 19:6, 9).

Matt. 7:1 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged."

briarpatch · « **Reply #25 on:** July 10, 2010, 10:28:25 AM »

I see that crustafaria has put his stamp of approval on man and woman marriage. Only man and woman.

teamnelson · « **Reply #26 on:** July 10, 2010, 10:31:57 AM »

crusty also put his stamp of approval on the Bible ... albeit inarticulately. Before long he may even become a republican.

powderman · « **Reply #27 on:** July 10, 2010, 11:18:58 AM »

WOW. Crusty finally got something right. UHHHHHH, who is the adulterer crusty??? POWDERMAN.

wareagleguy · « **Reply #28 on:** July 10, 2010, 03:13:56 PM »

Why do so many people want to create a government to control people the way they see fit? I do not understand why anyone would be gay but that does not give me the right to force anyone else to have this view. It makes no difference what MY bible says or MY god says. We would be much better off if we would live with the type of government we were given (a republic) and stop trying to use it to control people.

Heather · « **Reply #29 on:** July 10, 2010, 03:43:11 PM »

Quote from: wareagleguy on July 10, 2010, 03:13:56 PM

Why do so many people want to create a government to control people the way they see fit? I do not understand why anyone would be gay but that does not give me the right to force anyone else to have this view. It makes no difference what MY bible says or MY god says. We would be much better off if we would live with the type of government we were given (a republic) and stop trying to use it to control people.

+1 It cracks me up to see folks screaming we want the Gov't out of our lives and we want the constitution restored, but since I don't agree with this or that other people shouldn't either!

Heather