Author Topic: Gay Marriage Ruling; Mixed Feelings (Read 3856 times)

beerbelly · « **Reply #30 on:** July 10, 2010, 04:56:14 PM »

What makes you guys think crustafaria is a man? I don't think so, I am betting not!
Beerbelly

torpedoman · « **Reply #31 on:** July 10, 2010, 07:05:29 PM »

Quote from: Dee on July 09, 2010, 09:30:33 AM

I don't care what queers do. Just don't do it in front of me.

+1 i don't really care what anyone does in their own bedroom, it is their own private business. Key words, in their bedroom, and private.Don't be pushing a deviate life style as NORMAL, don't be putting it on public display. Don't pretend raising a child with two "mommies" or two "daddies" is a normal thing and will have any affect on the child.

SteveHawaii · « **Reply #32 on:** July 10, 2010, 08:55:04 PM »

It's no wonder the Muslims hate us. We're a morally corrupt nation when it comes to sex and marriage.

Dee · « **Reply #33 on:** July 11, 2010, 03:03:39 AM »

Quote from: beerbelly on July 10, 2010, 04:13:06 AM

That queer scum should not be allowed to live and breath! The bible says they are to be stoned to death. I am all for it.
Beerbelly

::)LOL! That is hilarious beerbelly. You have spent most of your time bashing the Bible and God, and saying there AIN'T NO GOD! Now you want to use the Word as a club for you own personal views. Now that is truly FUNNY!

Rolandedwinjohnson · « **Reply #34 on:** July 11, 2010, 04:03:34 AM »

Look people, My point was that Marriage, as a sacrament, is something that neither the States nor the Federal Government can regulate; however, a civil union is a different beast and that the States, by way of the 10th amendment, can regulate it. In neither case does the Federal Government have standing. Of course, the congress, being either unable to read or understand the constitution does not see it my way. In many cases neither does my wife (who is smarter than me most of the time).

GRIMJIM · « **Reply #35 on:** July 11, 2010, 05:19:52 AM »

Quote from: torpedoman on July 10, 2010, 07:05:29 PM

Quote from: Dee on July 09, 2010, 09:30:33 AM
I don't care what queers do. Just don't do it in front of me.

+1 i don't really care what anyone does in their own bedroom, it is their own private business. Key words, in their bedroom, and private.Don't be pushing a deviate life style as NORMAL, don't be putting it on public display. Don't pretend raising a child with two "mommies" or two "daddies" is a normal thing and will have any affect on the child.

That's my feelings on this situation also.

Do what you want but don't tell me it's normal.

AtlLaw · « **Reply #36 on:** July 12, 2010, 07:06:25 AM »

Quote from: wareagleguy on July 10, 2010, 03:13:56 PM

I do not understand why anyone would be gay ...

I don't either! $:-\$ You can't trust 'em so don't ever turn your back on them! They can be a real pain in the butt!

WylieKy · « **Reply #37 on:** July 12, 2010, 09:56:30 AM »

Quote from: Heather on July 10, 2010, 03:43:11 PM

Quote from: wareagleguy on July 10, 2010, 03:13:56 PM
Why do so many people want to create a government to control people the way they see fit? I do not understand why anyone would be gay but that does not give me the right to force anyone else to have this view. It makes no difference what MY bible says or MY god says. We would be much better off if we would live with the type of government we were given (a republic) and stop trying to use it to control people.

+1 It cracks me up to see folks screaming we want the Gov't out of our lives and we want the constitution restored, but since I don't agree with this or that other people shouldn't either!

Heather

+2

There ARE places you can go, where the government rules by the laws of morality and religion. Where alcohol, drug abuse, adultery, homosexuality, and all the other "moral" crimes are dealt with by the state according to the rules of the Old Testament. You'll just have to learn Arabic and study the Koran. Sure they'll love to have you.

beerbelly · « **Reply #38 on:** July 13, 2010, 03:18:07 AM »

When it comes to , homosexuality, I say give the devil his dues. Even the rag heads get some things right!
Queers are pedophiles, just think, any of you that have ever had a move put on you by a queer. Was it after you were a grown man? NO! It was when you were a kid or at most a teen-ager! When I was a kid I was approached at least three times, but I always carried a razor sharp buck and the encounter was over very quickly.
Beerbelly

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #39 on:** July 13, 2010, 03:38:09 AM »

Quote from: AtlLaw on July 12, 2010, 07:06:25 AM

Quote from: wareagleguy on July 10, 2010, 03:13:56 PM
I do not understand why anyone would be gay ...

I don't either! $:-\$ You can't trust 'em so don't ever turn your back on them! They can be a real pain in the butt!

First I don't agree with the gay lifestyle and for me i accept the Bible . I How ever see one situation where the Bible and law seems to miss the boat . When a person is born equiped with both male and female equipment . I know someone who lives with this , there mother was forced to choose what they would be when born and it was not the best choice . In other parts of the world no choice is made and they live out there life this way . So are they in violation of some law ? Are they commiting sin ? Should they not be allowed to have a spouse ?
I really have no good ansewer and feel God is the only one who should judge these people.
It would be so nice if life was simple .

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #40 on:** July 13, 2010, 06:56:07 AM »

I know a couple who had a child born with both. They chose to have the child made into one with the most developed parts. I don't remember which. I also have heard of a black guy who married a morphodite, and he said she had a male part bigger than his, but she had fully developed female parts.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #41 on:** July 13, 2010, 07:05:46 AM »

See what i was getting at , confusing

teamnelson · « **Reply #42 on:** July 13, 2010, 06:13:40 PM »

Quote from: beerbelly on July 13, 2010, 03:18:07 AM

When I was a kid I was approached at least three times ... Beerbelly

I gotta say Beerbelly, I have never been approached at any time in the way you're describing ... You tee'd up a joke here ... but I like you too much to take a swing.

powderman · « **Reply #43 on:** July 13, 2010, 06:41:37 PM »

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You tee'd up a joke here ... but I like you too much to take a swing.

HEH. YEP, I aint saying it either. POWDERMAN.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #44 on:** July 14, 2010, 02:56:50 AM »

Quote from: beerbelly on July 13, 2010, 03:18:07 AM

When it comes to , homosexuality, I say give the devil his dues. Even the rag heads get some things right!
Queers are pedophiles, just think, any of you that have ever had a move put on you by a queer. Was it after you were a grown man? NO! It was when you were a kid or at most a teen-ager! When I was a kid I was approached at least three times, but I always carried a razor sharp buck and the encounter was over very quickly.
Beerbelly

Never was approched at any age by a man , women were another story

. Guess i never dressed or acted in a way that encouraged it .

beerbelly · « **Reply #45 on:** July 14, 2010, 03:59:37 AM »

Well I was a poor boy in wore out blue jeans and a T shirt. I did nothing to ask to be hit on except hichike, which we all did back then And take a shower in a public bath house in Panama city. I didn't know much of any thing about queers at the time. Scared the living hell out of me and almost got me put in jail. But back then cutting a queer was justifyeable.
Beerbelly

powderman · « **Reply #46 on:** July 14, 2010, 04:17:42 AM »

Growing up in ILL those deviates were NOT tolerated at all. Now we have perverts like ellen degenerate on tv daily promoting trash like that and many folks think nothing of it. We live in a sick society. The TURRETT is a paper put out by Ft Knox. A letter in there complained about not being able to take the family to on base clubs because of the perverts openly dancing and kissing. Tired of their kids asking why is that guy kissing that other guy. Sickening. POWDERMAN.

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #47 on:** July 14, 2010, 05:58:52 AM »

Morphodites requiring infant surgery is between 0.1 and 0.2%. So it is not very common. Since this is very rare, most homosexuals are a lifestyle choice, not something they were born with. They also only constitute less than 3% of the general population. Most donate at least 10% of their money for their causes, so they have a larger voice than they really are.

WylieKy · « **Reply #48 on:** July 14, 2010, 06:03:07 AM »

Quote from: Dixie Dude on July 14, 2010, 05:58:52 AM

Most donate at least 10% of their money for their causes, so they have a larger voice than they really are.

Is this the gay tithe? lol

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #49 on:** July 14, 2010, 08:17:20 AM »

Quote from: Dixie Dude on July 14, 2010, 05:58:52 AM

Morphodites requiring infant surgery is between 0.1 and 0.2%. So it is not very common. Since this is very rare, most homosexuals are a lifestyle choice, not something they were born with. They also only constitute less than 3% of the general population. Most donate at least 10% of their money for their causes, so they have a larger voice than they really are.

Very true , but the 3% does create a question . If it were just one it would . Then there are those who would suggest the mental side can go haywire as well as the physical .
I would ask why they require surgery as in many parts of the world they do not. Guess there has been invasive health care long before Obamas health care.
I find it strange that so many on this site who throw Bible verses out over every thing under the sun have remained silent on this issue . It has been the same every where its brought up.

For me , I really have no ansewer other than it shows that nothing is cut and dry for all. Also to judge is Gods domain and his alone. I will still consider homosexuals in the light of the Bible view. And consider those born both ways as having a choice until someone can show different , as for man preforming a mutulation surgery on them is not a fix in all cases.

charles p · « **Reply #50 on:** July 14, 2010, 09:03:09 AM »

I am against gay marriage yet I am in favor of religous freedom.

Religous freedom to me means that another American citizen does not have to believe what is in my Bible. He may worship as he pleases. Religions freedom doesn't stop after Protestent, Catholic, and Jewish beliefs. It probably did when the nation was founded. We have drawn a few hard lines on our religous freedom limits in the past. Two that come to mind are poligomy and the use of illegal drugs as a religous expression. Snake handling is allowed still.

Gay marriage is a tough issue. Gays are here to stay either way we vote. Many are Americans. They are repulsive to most of but they have their right to free speach, to be elected by popular vote, and to propose legislation. They can speak up regarding education, and can be educators themselves. Many join the priesthood is seems.

Gays can have last will and testaments to give their assets to whomever they wish, set up trusts to fund the life of a surviving partner, create healthcare power attorney documents to allow someone to make medical decisions when they can no longer do so for themselves. They already have these priviledges without being married. They can not (in most places) select family heath coverage for their same sex partner.

I think Gays are overwhelmingly liberal and vote as Democrats - and the voting age society we live in is fastly adapting liberal policies. We are becoming a nation of minority interest.

I predict some day we will see uninsured, unheathy and obese people form a voting block with unwed mothers, unemployeed, and other special interest groups that are a gorwing part of the economy and society.

Every group that can gain a majority will want to control the yax money coming from the other group.

teamnelson · « **Reply #51 on:** July 14, 2010, 10:55:26 AM »

charles, I'm tracking what yer saying. The government has an interest in protecting rights as they should. Since the term "marriage" is loaded, with traditionally and historically recognized ties to religion, I would advocate that the government have no role in that.

If the government however chooses to allow 2 life forms to be recognized in a civil union for contractual purposes, taxes, property ownership, estate, etc. then that is another matter entirely. I think it makes the whole conversation cleaner if the issue is simply a secular conversation over legal rights, as opposed to redefining values and morality. Now the state should set limits on who can enter a civil union (i.e. willing, age of consent, able to consent, etc.) and that vote may be influenced by the morality of the constituency. But if you want to get "married" go to the church, and they have their own standards of who they will and wont marry.

That said, I remain convinced that the gay rights movement is not interested in legal rights; they want it all. They want all religions to conform to their view, and for the government to force them to do so. I am presently licensed to perform weddings in the state of Hawaii, which I will forfeit the moment it ceases to be a matter of conscience and I am required to marry anyone that asks. They have already made it law that landlords must give preferential consideration to rental applicants on the basis of their sexual preference, in the name of protecting homosexuals. There are those in this state that think the government should be able to force me as a clergyman to do their bidding, and that ain't gonna happen.

And that is what the 1st amendment is supposed to protect us from.

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #52 on:** July 14, 2010, 11:42:30 AM »

As far as the gay "tithe", yes they patterned it after the church and they realise they have strength this way. So they have a lot of money to contribute to their causes. From what some blacks have told me, the NAACP did this back in the 50's and 60's to raise money for their causes. Got people to donate 10% to their cause. Can you imagine what the GOA or the NRA could do if just half of the gun owners gave them 10%. They would own congress and we wouldn't be having to deal with our rights being trampled.

AtlLaw · « **Reply #53 on:** July 14, 2010, 11:48:52 AM »

Quote from: Dixie Dude on July 14, 2010, 11:42:30 AM

Can you imagine what the GOA or the NRA ~~could~~ would do if just half of the gun owners gave them 10%.

I sure can!

powderman · « **Reply #54 on:** July 14, 2010, 01:58:14 PM »

SHOOTALL. I'll be honest with ya. I was hoping IG, TN, or somebody else would weigh in on the question about those born with both sex organs. I honestly don't know what to tell you because to my knowledge the Bible doesn't cover that malady. Maybe someone here more literate and knowledgeable will be able to comment on this.
CHARLES. I understand what you are saying but I would never knowingly vote for a homosexual, nor allow my children to be educated by them, to do so I would be condoning their deviate lifestyle and treating them as acceptable and normal, they are not. In Kentucky deviates cannot adopt children, and rightly so. These people should NEVER, EVER, be allowed to raise, or teach, or in any way be in authority over children. POWDERMAN.

GRIMJIM · « **Reply #55 on:** July 14, 2010, 02:20:37 PM »

Quote from: powderman on July 14, 2010, 01:58:14 PM

These people should NEVER, EVER, be allowed to raise, or teach, or in any way be in authority over children.

+1

nw_hunter · « **Reply #56 on:** July 14, 2010, 04:04:39 PM »

Quote from: AtlLaw on July 12, 2010, 07:06:25 AM

Quote from: wareagleguy on July 10, 2010, 03:13:56 PM
I do not understand why anyone would be gay ...

I don't either! $:-\$ You can't trust 'em so don't ever turn your back on them! They can be a real pain in the butt!

Richard.......You devil you! Your on a roll today

Sourdough · « **Reply #57 on:** July 14, 2010, 07:24:17 PM »

I am not for gay marriage, domestic partnership I can go with, but not marriage.

I spent 20 years in the military, and been around the military ever since I retired in 1989. Gays are there now, have been there since before I went in back in 1968. I have never been approached by a gay man. I do have to say some of the most reliable and trustworthy troops I had were the gay ones. Yes I knew they were gay, I did not care as long as they did their work and kept a low profile. Because I respected them for their abilities and their work ethic, not for their inner most feelings, they respected me. Knowing I would not report them, they let me in on their social world. It's not as bad as many people think.

If you are not gay, they are not going to approch you. They will put out a signal and if you don't pick up on it and respond back, they will never give you more than a passing glance after that. Now as far as approaching kids, gay men hate pediphiles just as much as straight men do. Kids are off limits, just like our society dictates. The men that go after young boys are no differant than the men that go after young girls. They are all pediphiles in everyones book.

Yes I have spent time under field conditions sleeping in tents with men that I knew were gay. I did not feel uncomfortable in any way. The men that had the strongest anti gay sentaments made me uncomfortable, They were the ones that were borderline mentally unstable. They worried me, not just because they were so anti-gay, but they were also so anti other things as well.

WylieKy · « **Reply #58 on:** July 14, 2010, 08:58:40 PM »

Quote from: Sourdough on July 14, 2010, 07:24:17 PM

I am not for gay marriage, domestic partnership I can go with, but not marriage.

I spent 20 years in the military, and been around the military ever since I retired in 1989. Gays are there now, have been there since before I went in back in 1968. I have never been approached by a gay man. I do have to say some of the most reliable and trustworthy troops I had were the gay ones. Yes I knew they were gay, I did not care as long as they did their work and kept a low profile. Because I respected them for their abilities and their work ethic, not for their inner most feelings, they respected me. Knowing I would not report them, they let me in on their social world. It's not as bad as many people think.

If you are not gay, they are not going to approch you. They will put out a signal and if you don't pick up on it and respond back, they will never give you more than a passing glance after that. Now as far as approaching kids, gay men hate pediphiles just as much as straight men do. Kids are off limits, just like our society dictates. The men that go after young boys are no differant than the men that go after young girls. They are all pediphiles in everyones book.

Yes I have spent time under field conditions sleeping in tents with men that I knew were gay. I did not feel uncomfortable in any way. The men that had the strongest anti gay sentaments made me uncomfortable, They were the ones that were borderline mentally unstable. They worried me, not just because they were so anti-gay, but they were also so anti other things as well.

Good post. I am not for or against gay marriage, I'm against the Government telling people what to do and what is moral. People are occasionally born with mixed up biology, and I can't help but think that that goes for more than their parts. I believe that some people are just born gay. Why God chose to do this in opposition to his stated laws, we'll probably never know till judgment day. I do think homosexuality is a sin, but don't find it any more despicable then adultery, lying, etc....

I do know this. As a married man, I was tempted by a few women, but chose to not pursue the temptation. I honestly think that for what ever reason, some men are attracted to others. Gay men were around WAY before it was popular to be gay. The attraction is not a sin, but is given to us by God (or Satan) but the pursuit of the attraction is. Women are a whole 'nother category. One of my closest friends is bi. She is a NICU nurse and you'll never meet a more caring or loving individual. She said that she has NEVER met a full blown lesbian (sworn off men) who had not been raped, usually by a close family member. Most lesbians are physically terrified or disgusted by men and choose women over an asexual, lonely life. She said that most of the gay men she knew were just.....well....gay.

Casull · « **Reply #59 on:** July 14, 2010, 09:08:12 PM »

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I would ask why they require surgery as in many parts of the world they do not. Guess there has been invasive health care long before Obamas health care.

Nobody said they require it. Their parents choose it. No health care giver is making that choice. It's the parents right to do what they think is best for their own child (unless it endangers the child).