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Joint Forces Quarterly: The Post-9/11 American Serviceman
« on: July 12, 2010, 09:15:20 AM »
http://www.ndu.edu/press/post-911-serviceman.html
Profile of the post-9/11 serviceman ... might surprise (or disappoint) some I suppose.

A few points:
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It is also worth noting that current estimates of the eligible population (ages 18–24) suggest that approximately 7 out of 10 American youths are unfit for service because they have criminal records, cannot meet the minimum intellectual requirements, are physically unfit, and/or have a history of drug use.30

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On average, the military is better educated than the rest of society.11 Ninety-eight percent of military members hold at least a high school diploma, while the national average is 75 percent.12 Enlistees and officers also score above the national average in standardized reading and math tests. Interestingly, Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery (ASVAB)/Armed Force Quotient Test scores demonstrate that today's enlistees are more intelligent than enlistees before 9/11.13 In addition, veterans enrolled in college maintain a grade point average above the mean.14


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The strong affiliation to the Republican Party is often dismissed as an alignment of convenience since Republicans favor military over social spending, but this answer fails to demonstrate a fundamental understanding of the strong moral and ethical disposition that governs military life and thinking. As Huntington noted more than 50 years ago, the military mind exemplifies "conservative realism." Highly skeptical of intrinsic good, the military strongly adheres to President Ronald Reagan's motto of "trust, but verify." Believing that man is a fallen creature and wicked by nature, the military is suspicious of grand proposals for creating world peace. As mentioned earlier, optimism is a core trait for successful leadership. It could be said that the military has a large number of skeptical optimists.
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Re: Joint Forces Quarterly: The Post-9/11 American Serviceman
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2010, 11:45:42 AM »
TEAMNELSON. I worked at walmart 7 1/2 years. I saw 1st hand how hard it was to get anybody in that age bracket to work, most couldn't pass the drug test. They tested for drugs last after wasting a lot of time and money interviewing and training them. When told they were being sent for a drug test many, if not most, just walked out the door never to be seen again. POWDERMAN.  ::) ::)
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Re: Joint Forces Quarterly: The Post-9/11 American Serviceman
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2010, 12:31:33 PM »
TEAMNELSON. I worked at walmart 7 1/2 years. I saw 1st hand how hard it was to get anybody in that age bracket to work, most couldn't pass the drug test. They tested for drugs last after wasting a lot of time and money interviewing and training them. When told they were being sent for a drug test many, if not most, just walked out the door never to be seen again. POWDERMAN.  ::) ::)
PMAN, I appreciate the fact that Wal-Mart has standards! I'll bet its getting harder for them to find employable youth.

I've been back in uniform now since 2006 and I am constantly impressed by the caliber of young people who are willing to take the oath. Just reaffirms my belief that we owe it to them to use them appropriately, honor their service, and equip them to be better men and women who will leave service and continue to make our country better for their contributions. A far cry from "the illiterate delinquents who requre medication to function" that many in congress seem to think serve our nation.
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Re: Joint Forces Quarterly: The Post-9/11 American Serviceman
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2010, 02:29:34 PM »
TM7, I concur the danger is there, however in the formation of our own national military there are some specific checks and balances because they had identified that and intentionally inculcated a culture of skepticism to policy. It has been eroded over time, and I've seen some lamentable changes. If you'll remember, we are a nation that begrudgingly stood up a military having personally suffered under the regimentation of the empire who used their military to extend a policy of religious intolerance, amongst other things. That's why I think ... and I personally attempt ... its important to keep the modern servicemember in touch with our roots.

There is a popular myth that regimentation does not lend itself to dissent; the fact is regimentation is a training tool to develop maturity within the system with the direct byproduct being mature dissent. Having reached several significant milestones in my own military career I have seen and done firsthand mature dissent; it is the soldier's tool of redirecting misguided policy. With an all volunteer force with 10 times as many exits as entrances, most soldiers today vote with their feet. I am not discounting your opinion at all TM7, and think yours is a healthy skepticism. But having been in and around the service since 87, what I have experienced demonstrates that the vast majority in uniform continue to retain complete moral and intellectual autonomy. Regimentation only restricts time and place of voice, not the voice itself. That is no different than society, really, for who the opportunity to voice their dissent is restricted to the ballot box. Try not paying your taxes, or not wearing a seat belt and you'll soon discover the regimentation of civilian life.

Not to mention the fact that my job is to ensure that individual conscience remains in place; the check and balance under Title 10 is that I am only in uniform as long as my church allows - my accountability to higher authority trumps the military chain of command. So not only do I enjoy protection from orders that violate conscience, I am ordered and instructed by the military to ensure that all servicemembers enjoy the same. I cannot of course speak for the entire military, but within my purview that is what I can do. I cannot guarantee that that will persist though if like so many others I vote with my feet and stand outside voicing contempt of the service. I had a one on one conversation with the 3 star Admiral, new commander of Navy Cyberforces and 10th Fleet just last week. He'll listen to my advice before he will that of an outsider who's starting position is that military leaders are merely political sycophants, Petraeus excluded of course  ;D
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Re: Joint Forces Quarterly: The Post-9/11 American Serviceman
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2010, 07:54:21 AM »
TM7, I've been looking for a way to post a documentary developed by one of the professors at Newport about the American Way of War. It tracks the pressures that moved us from the begrudging establishment of militias by our pacifist Puritan forefathers, up to where we are today.

I think the civilianization of military functions is the natural progression towards specops and soft power preference ... it's an abomination. The overriding principle is dishonest ... and I served in that community for 11 years. The justification is $ but the costs are higher than traditional military staffing. They're gutting chaplains by 10% to staff more specops ... At a time when soul health issues exceed physical in all services. I'm with you on that one TM7.
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Re: Joint Forces Quarterly: The Post-9/11 American Serviceman
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2010, 08:55:08 AM »
In the trades we see maybe 1 out of 6 that can and will work. We see some who work but can't think . We see some who lose out to drug use . It is really sad.
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Re: Joint Forces Quarterly: The Post-9/11 American Serviceman
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2010, 03:52:35 PM »
At present, the privatization is entirely in non-combatant roles. Housing is privatized, for example. Base services are increasingly privatized. Social services, big chunk of medical/dental; even at the Battalion level, the Army has contracted civilian admin officers to replace the S-1, and Marines have contracted civilians to serve as the Family Readiness Officer. All of these jobs were previously staffed by uniformed servicemembers under oath.

You may read reports about contractors carrying weapons in combat zones. That is also true; they cannot, however, be used in offensive operations by law (and ROE). For example, civilian truck drivers may carry weapons while in convoy to resupply remote locations, but only for defensive purposes and they are attached to military escort. Under no circumstances are they to engage the enemy, and we kick people out if they do. If they come under fire, they are to defend themselves and their equipment.

So what about all those civilian looking guys way forward we read about, maybe even see pictures of? I am aware of other agency contracted individuals involved in specops in an intel or technical support role. Since the 90's fielding of new military gear has changed to where maintenance contracts are not serviced internally. So if you have an advanced video security system at a FOB, the government contract requires the vendor to service the unit in the field ... even if its Kandahar. So Chuck the Nerd straps on a sig, takes a bumpy ride from Fobbiton to Ft. Apache, hits reboot, takes a return bumpy ride back to his Can with AC, Internet & Cable, for $150K a tour. Same same for tactical site exploitation, bomb forensics, etc. The military does not have the organic expertise to do the job the "new" way of war requires (like law enforcement), nor is it able to fix its own gear.

Bottom line is we have no privatized combatants. That's not spin, that's actual truth - the law is clear, Geneva is clear and its so heavily scrutinized that violation is next to impossible. Blackwater is a perfect example of the fact that when mistakes are made, they are corrected.

But TM7 I think you're wise to be skeptical. I wouldn't look at the traditional armed forces though - policy is neutering us to a peace corps with expensive gear. If one were really paranoid they might also think that the perpetuation of Afghanistan might be eroding the combat effectiveness of patriots (physical attrition and amputation) under oath, who might present the biggest threat to a privatized force employed for homeland security enforcement. Vietnam had that effect whether it was intentional or not; lot of lives were cut short or severely hampered that had they survived may have been a voice of opposition to several agendas in our society. Or maybe not ...
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