Author Topic: Dealing With Our Enemies (Read 984 times)

Spirithawk · « **on:** July 20, 2010, 04:06:47 PM »

I know, I know....this is a story, but I think the lesson could be taken to heart when dealing with Iraq, Afganistan and including Mexico. We being the boy. They being the snake;

An AniKituhwagi Story..The Little Boy and the Rattlesnake

This is what I was told as a boy.....A little boy was walking down a path one day and when he came across a Rattlesnake. The Rattlesnake was getting old. Quite old in fact.

Looking up he asked " please little boy, can you take me to the top of the mountain? I hope to see the sunset one last time before I die."

The little boy answered "No Mr. Rattlesnake. If I pick you up you will bite me and I'll die."

The rattlesnake answered, " No, I promise I will not bite you. Just please take me to the top of the mountain. I beg of you."

The little boy thought about it and finally picked the Rattlesnake up and holding it close to his chest carried it to the top of the mountain.

They sat there and watched the sunset together and marveled in it's beauty. After the sun was completely down,the Rattlesnake turned to the little boy and asked, "Can I go home now? I am tired and I am old."

Feeling sorry for the Rattlesnake, the little boy once more picked the Rattlesnake up and held it tightly and safely to his chest. He walked all the way down the mountain, holding the Rattlesnake to his chest.

It was very late when they reached the bottom so the little boy, with kindness in his heart, took the Rattlesnake to his home where he fed it and gave it a comfortable place to sleep.

The next day the Rattlesnake again turned to the boy and asked, " Please little boy, will you take me back to my own home now? It is time for me to leave this world, and I would like to die in my own home."

The little boy felt that since he had carried the Rattlesnake safefly before, and the snake had kept his word, that it would do no harm. Surely it was safe to grant the Rattlesnake's remaining wish and take him home as he asked. So he carefully picked the snake up, took him close once more to his chest, and carried him back into the woods, to it's home to die.

Just before he could lay the Rattlesnake down, it turned and bit him in the chest sinking it's fangs deeply and injecting it's deadly poison. The little boy cried out and threw the snake to the ground.

" Mr. Snake, why, why did you do that? I was kind to you, but now I will surely die!" cried the little boy.

The Rattlesnake looked up at him coldly, grinned and said, " You knew what I was when you first picked me up! So says Spirit Hawk ^i^

wreckhog · « **Reply #1 on:** July 20, 2010, 04:55:55 PM »

Hate ta tell ya, injuns lost.

Spirithawk · « **Reply #2 on:** July 20, 2010, 05:25:22 PM »

Quote from: wreckhog on July 20, 2010, 04:55:55 PM

Hate ta tell ya, injuns lost.

Now see? That's a perfect example of what I mean by letting predjudice over ride what's being said and using it to cloud the real meaning. Just what has that statement got to do with this post? Not one D*** thing! The whole point of the post was twofold. One; that we, AS IN THE USA, are trying to make those countries into something they will never be. They are what they are and always will be so and to think otherwise will come back and bite us in the a**. And two; that sometimes the old stories can have relevance to todays situations and that lessons can still be learned from them. Soooooo please, maybe I'm just getting old, but PLEASEEEEE tell me what that has to do with "Injuns losing?

?" All this talk about Racism and then crap like this??? And you all wonder why I get Pi**ed off! Wouldn't you if the shoe was on the other foot? Why, does it somehow make you feel better about yourself?

Sourdough · « **Reply #3 on:** July 20, 2010, 05:42:54 PM »

Spirithawk: Ignore him, he's not worth listening to, or arguing with. It's too complex for him.

Matt · « **Reply #4 on:** July 20, 2010, 05:47:12 PM »

another comment like that and it will get real simple for him....

Matt

billy_56081 · « **Reply #5 on:** July 20, 2010, 05:49:15 PM »

I liked your story Spirithawk. I have heard that one before, it is a good one.

Spirithawk · « **Reply #6 on:** July 20, 2010, 05:53:22 PM »

Thank you guys. Being half Cherokee and half Scotch Irish I've had to deal with that kind stuff all my life. I guess I just never truly get imune to it. I just believe that if we at least try, we can learn from each other. After all, like it or not, this is OUR Country. Not your's. Not mine. OURS. Again, thanks and I truly mean that from the heart.

Heather · « **Reply #7 on:** July 20, 2010, 05:57:15 PM »

Hey wreckhog hate to tell ya, the racist idiot thing just isn't really welcome here on GBO. Spirithawk that is a great story. I can't wait until my boys wake up in the morning so that I may share it with them as well. They have LOVED all of the other ones!

Heather

billy_56081 · « **Reply #8 on:** July 20, 2010, 06:01:16 PM »

It is really close the the frog and scorpian.

Sourdough · « **Reply #9 on:** July 20, 2010, 06:15:52 PM »

Spirithawk: I'm 1/4 Cherokee, the rest Scotch Irish. Man, there is a lot of Scotch Irish in Tennessee. I remember when I was small I would go places with my Grandma. A few places she went she was given a hard time, and I felt bad for her. She refused to let it bother her, and taught me to ignore those people and to not lower myself enough to argue with them.

bilmac · « **Reply #10 on:** July 21, 2010, 12:39:11 AM »

Kind of makes you think about all these idiots who have to play with wild animals.

turk762 · « **Reply #11 on:** July 21, 2010, 04:29:50 AM »

Quote from: Sourdough on July 20, 2010, 05:42:54 PM

Spirithawk: Ignore him, he's not worth listening to, or arguing with. It's too complex for him.

I agree dont listen to his crap.

It was a good story and has a good lesson, like many of your stories it applies to real life.

turk762 · « **Reply #12 on:** July 21, 2010, 04:48:26 AM »

Quote from: Spirithawk on July 20, 2010, 05:53:22 PM

Thank you guys. Being half Cherokee and half Scotch Irish I've had to deal with that kind stuff all my life. I guess I just never truly get imune to it. I just believe that if we at least try, we can learn from each other. After all, like it or not, this is OUR Country. Not your's. Not mine. OURS. Again, thanks and I truly mean that from the heart.

The Irish side wont let you get immune to it (quick to anger)

. Not necessarily bad (not a door mat).

I like what you said about it being OUR country, when I first read it I thought it was a racist statement and you meant it is "ours" as in native Americans and when I reread it I realized what you have wrote.

I am not as old and wise as you and some of the other guys on this forum, but in my life I noticed people seem to get annoyed when someone is proud of something, ex: a new car, a smart kid, a nice house, ect.(your native heritage) and when they are proud some people feel the need to beat that person down for it.

Keep the good stories coming. It sounds like most of us enjoy them.

jimster · « **Reply #13 on:** July 21, 2010, 05:02:07 AM »

Good story Spirithawk.

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Spirithawk: Ignore him, he's not worth listening to, or arguing with. It's too complex for him.

Yep...don't waste your time Spirithawk. Most of us have no use for behavior like this. Consider the source and forget it.

Keep the stories coming...

Jim

wreckhog · « **Reply #14 on:** July 21, 2010, 05:07:00 AM »

Have no issue with the poster or the story. I do have an issue with attributing the story to the Anikituhwagi, which I see as racially motivated. Ie, we America, do not possess the wisdom of the Anikituhwagi. History would tell you differently.

Avyctes · « **Reply #15 on:** July 21, 2010, 05:37:41 AM »

In my opinion the story nails it on the head.

Another way to put it is we're trying to play God by attempting to make these other countries in our image. It just isn't in them to be so. The best we can do is treat them the only way they understand, which is to threaten them with obliteration if they do anything to harm us. They understand superior force and they understand fear. They don't understand democracy when they've lived tribal life styles for century upon century with one war lord after another killing them and threatening them. Give them what they understand. Let them rule themselves within their borders how they want. But make them play nice with the international community - or else.

We need to be more like Israel, jealously guarding our security. The comment of CA representative Stark "If you knew anything about our borders, you would know that's not the case. Our borders are quite secure, thank you" adequately illustrates the fog that clouds the vision of the idiots that rule this country. I'd like to hear that despicable Stark answer that if that is the case, how is it we have 12 or 13 million illegals in this country?

You can't be a good parent as well as your child's best friend. I think we should be a good model in our world, not the world's best friend.

Spirithawk · « **Reply #16 on:** July 21, 2010, 06:06:37 AM »

Quote from: wreckhog on July 21, 2010, 05:07:00 AM

Have no issue with the poster or the story. I do have an issue with attributing the story to the Anikituhwagi, which I see as racially motivated. Ie, we America, do not possess the wisdom of the Anikituhwagi. History would tell you differently.

So, had I said an old Irish, German, Dutch, Itallian, ect.,ect.ect, story, you'd have been just as insulted huh? If I were talking about a fine "German" made firearm. A good "Swiss" watch. A fantastic "Italian" or "Mexican" meal, some delicious "Dutch" Chocolate, all that would be racialy motivated? But a statement like " Hate to tell you Injuns lost " is not racial? What paralel universe do you live in? Of course I called it an AniKituhwagi story. That's what it is! Why would I call it something it's not? Why should I need to? Just to satisfy your insecurity? If you found it racially insulting it's only because you desired to do so. When I said we, meaning all of us in the USA, could learn from the story why did you assume that meant only your race and not my own too? We means WE not YOU or ME. Took Turk all of a couple seconds to figure that out. Heck, Billy was wise enough to recognise similarities to a non AniKituhwagi story as well. Just to clue you in, your's is not the only race in this Country who's fighting these wars. Here's a real novel idea. Instead of reading into things what you wish them to say, what you fear they say, what you might want them to say, take the words for what they DO SAY! Quit being so insecure and seeing everything as a threat. Get the idea through your head that there are others that might have something worthwhile to say other than those of one race. You don't hear me crying everytime someone makes a statement from the view point of a White American taxpayer do you? That is their right, one I fought for that they should have, and why do you try and deny me the same rights? Thanks to those who understand. I'm taking Sourdough's advice, thanks bud, and not responding to anymore such attacks. I think those doing so sink their own ships all by themselves.

nw_hunter · « **Reply #17 on:** July 21, 2010, 06:38:47 AM »

[quote
The Rattlesnake looked up at him coldly, grinned and said, " You knew what I was when you first picked me up! So says Spirit Hawk ^i^

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A similar story........The Scorpion and the turtle.

Scorpion wanted the turtle to give him a ride across the lake.
The turtle said........No! You will sting and kill me. The Scorpion said.......If I do that you will die and sink, and I will drown. Turtle said Okay! Hop on. About half was across he stung the turtle, and the turtle said."Why did you do that" Now we're both going to die! Scorpion said........That's just the kind of SOB I am!

Spirithawk · « **Reply #18 on:** July 21, 2010, 06:56:49 AM »

Quote from: nw_hunter on July 21, 2010, 06:38:47 AM

[quote
The Rattlesnake looked up at him coldly, grinned and said, " You knew what I was when you first picked me up! So says Spirit Hawk ^i^

A similar story........The Scorpion and the turtle.

Scorpion wanted the turtle to give him a ride across the lake.
The turtle said........No! You will sting and kill me. The Scorpion said.......If I do that you will die and sink, and I will drown. Turtle said Okay! Hop on. About half was across he stung the turtle, and the turtle said."Why did you do that" Now we're both going to die! Scorpion said........That's just the kind of SOB I am!
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LOL A good story making a good point!
Thanks for sharing.

blind ear · « **Reply #19 on:** July 21, 2010, 08:00:27 AM »

So there is no way to deal safely with scorpions or snakes. The only way to be safe in close proximity to them is for them to be dead. Wonder how this conclusion evolved? eddiegjr

Spirithawk · « **Reply #20 on:** July 21, 2010, 08:18:55 AM »

Quote from: eddiegjr on July 21, 2010, 08:00:27 AM

So there is no way to deal safely with scorpions or snakes. The only way to be safe in close proximity to them is for them to be dead. Wonder how this conclusion evolved? eddiegjr

No, that's not it at all bud. What it means is that if you know something, or someone, is dangerous then it's wise to recognise that fact. You know if you stick your finger in a light socket you'll get shocked. So do you get rid of electricity? No, you recognise that it can hurt you so you respect it in that manor and you don't go around sticking your finger in light sockets. You don't fear it but at the same time you're wise enough to know that if you aren't careful it can and will hurt you. You can insulate against it, but you can never change the fact that it can harm you no matter how hard you try. Treat it wisely and you're safe. Treat it foolishly and it can and will do you harm. If you watch a snake, keep your eyes on it, don't turn your back on it, don't handle it foolishly, then you won't get bit now will you? But mess with it, disregard the fact it can hurt you, handle it foolishly rather than wisely, then guess what? It will most certainly bite you. The same with these countries we're dealing with.

blind ear · « **Reply #21 on:** July 21, 2010, 08:41:06 AM »

Spirithawk, I agree with you fully. The snake will always bring snakes, the scorpion will always bring scorpions, the jihadist will always bring jihadist by thier indoctrination of thier young.

I don't want snakes nor scorpions (nor bears nor wolves for that matter) to be extinct, unless they want to hang around my yard. eddiegjr

WylieKy · « **Reply #22 on:** July 21, 2010, 08:46:57 AM »

Quote from: wreckhog on July 20, 2010, 04:55:55 PM

Hate ta tell ya, injuns lost.

Bad trolls are bad. SH, this is what someone meant about reducing the size of your "buttons." Clearly this is someone trying to get a rise out of you.

Funny story about snakes. My dad and I used to go to the Highwall on Lake Cumberland to night fish. We'd shine a spot along the ledge before we went home before dawn and shoot the copperheads off of the wall. On a good night we'd get 10-15 snakes! There are a couple of "unknown" mounds in the area and my dad and I would go out a couple of time a year and keep them clear of brush and make sure they weren't vandalized and pickup beer bottles and such left by some of the area's more unsavory types. One spring we were hiking back to one of the mounds and my dad was stepping over a dead fall and looked down as he had the log straddled (probably a little over knee high) and low and behold sat a coiled up copperhead. He froze and after a few minutes (seemed like hours for both of us) the snake uncoiled. He reached down, grabbed it, and threw it a far as he could as fast as he could. A few months later he was picking blackberries and had a similar run in, with a similar result. After that, he took up a live and let live attitude with copperheads. Figured that if they let him be when they could have had him, he'd let them be. 3 years later on bit and killed his dog. It's been open season since!

gstewart44 · « **Reply #23 on:** July 21, 2010, 08:49:13 AM »

Quote from: Matt on July 20, 2010, 05:47:12 PM

another comment like that and it will get real simple for him....

Matt

thanks Matt. Spirithawk - keep the stories coming - I love them and they have a good message.
PS; My maternal grandmothers family were Scottish (MacGregors) and my Great Great Grandmother was Cherokee.

Spanky · « **Reply #24 on:** July 21, 2010, 09:16:14 AM »

True words of wisdom Spirithawk.

Spanky

Spirithawk · « **Reply #25 on:** July 21, 2010, 09:32:45 AM »

Quote from: gstewart44 on July 21, 2010, 08:49:13 AM

Quote from: Matt on July 20, 2010, 05:47:12 PM
another comment like that and it will get real simple for him....

Matt
thanks Matt. Spirithawk - keep the stories coming - I love them and they have a good message.
PS; My maternal grandmothers family were Scottish (MacGregors) and my Great Great Grandmother was Cherokee.

Again, thanks folks. I can be as opinionated as the next person, but I try and keep my opinions civil and with respect to others.

Matt, a lot of folks don't realise how much a connection there is between the Cherokee and the Scotch/Irish. The two got along very well and many Scotch/Irish married into the Nation. Cherokee leader Major Ridge's maternal grandfather was a Highland Scot. My mother's mother's name was Patty. I have my ggggggrandfather's will dated 1765 in Halifax County, Virginia. There is history on both sides of my family and I truly enjoy researching it.

I often speek from the Cherokee view point simply because that's how I was raised.

Spirithawk · « **Reply #26 on:** July 21, 2010, 10:12:04 AM »

Quote from: TM7 on July 21, 2010, 09:48:43 AM

Quote from: wreckhog on July 21, 2010, 05:07:00 AM
Have no issue with the poster or the story. I do have an issue with attributing the story to the Anikituhwagi, which I see as racially motivated. Ie, we America, do not possess the wisdom of the Anikituhwagi. History would tell you differently.

WreckH....ever wonder why perfect spiritual societies don't really exist any more..? Its because psychopaths of the physical realm invade them and don't allow them to exist in the current millennia...and that is what happened to alot of the native tribes. Too many snakes and not enough mongoose. Presently, the spiritual body of man (the real self) is dominated by the physical body which is selfish, immoral and basically psychopathically reprobate....as far as those running things and the wars. Indian cultures didn't have much of a chance against the beast; now the anty has been upped and the beast is after us.

BTw...if you cut a head off a rattlesnake it can still bite you; and watch out for those two headed snakes.

..TM7
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Well said.