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Whose fault is this mess?
« on: July 21, 2010, 01:39:18 AM »
          Charlie Reese, a retired reporter for the Orlando Sentinal has hit the nail directly on the head, defining clearly who it is that in the final analysis must assume responsibility for the judgements made that impact each one of us every day.

          It's a short but good read.  Worth the time.  Worth remembering!

           545 vs. 300,000,000

          EVERY CITIZEN NEEDS TO READ THIS AND THINK ABOUT WHAT THIS JOURNALIST HAS SCRIPTED IN THIS MESSAGE.  READ IT AND THEN REALLY THINK ABOUT OUR CURRENT POLITICAL DEBACLE.

          Charley Reese has been a journalist for 49 years.

          545 PEOPLE--By Charlie Reese

          Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them..

          Have you ever wondered, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?

          Have you ever wondered, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?

          You and I don't propose a federal budget.  The president does.

          You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations.  The House of Representatives does.

          You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does.

          You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does.

          You and I don't control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.

          One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president, and nine Supreme Court justices equates to 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.

          I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress.  In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.

          I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason.  They have no legal authority  They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a president to do one cotton-picking thing.  I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash.  The politician has the power to accept or reject it.  No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to determine how he votes.

          Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault.  They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.

          What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall.  No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits.... .  The president can only propose a budget.  He cannot force the Congress to accept it.

          The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes.  Who is the speaker of the House? Nancy Pelosi.  She is the leader of the majority party.  She and fellow House members, not the president, can approve any budget they want.  If the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.

          It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million can not replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts -- of incompetence and irresponsibility.  I can't think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people.  When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.

          If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair.

          If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in the red.

          If the Army & Marines are in IRAQ , it's because they want them in IRAQ.

 

         If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it's because they want it that way.

          There are no insoluble government problems.

          Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power. 

 

Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like "the economy," "inflation," or "politics" that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.

          Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.

          They, and they alone, have the power..

          They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses.

          Provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees...

          We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!

          Charlie Reese is a former columnist of the Orlando Sentinel Newspaper.
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Re: Whose fault is this mess?
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2010, 02:39:47 AM »
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Re: Whose fault is this mess?
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2010, 02:52:40 AM »

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True , but we are on the membership commity and should start being more careful who we allow in ! ;)
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Re: Whose fault is this mess?
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2010, 03:46:34 AM »
This is why no one should serve more than two terms in any public office and no one should retire from such office. Not even the President.
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Re: Whose fault is this mess?
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2010, 03:49:15 AM »
WE, that is the electorate, are at fault.  WE collectively bought into the idea that the federal government is supposed to take care of us and guide us in everything. WE forgot that we need to hold those we elect to the confines of the Constitution.   How many of us ever bother to write or call those we elect at any level?  If you hire a gunman, you can't be upset if he shoots someone.

Shootall, well said, nicely put.
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Re: Whose fault is this mess?
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2010, 04:10:16 AM »
Shootall and Subdjoe are exactly right; the author, Charlie Reese oversimplified and was even dead wrong about some of his facts.  It is we the voters who send these people to Congress and you can bet that most of the Congressmen and Senators have a pretty good idea about who voted for them and what those voters want from the government.

Are our elected representatives irresponsible for giving away the outhouse and attempting to assure their tenure?  Yes.
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Re: Whose fault is this mess?
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2010, 05:32:20 AM »
We know and they (ruling elete) know the ATTITUDE that gave us the mess we now have.
We know and they (ruling elete) know the ATTITUDE, just dont seem to change.

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Re: Whose fault is this mess?
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2010, 07:43:53 AM »

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True , but we are on the membership commity and should start being more careful who we allow in ! ;)


Amen to that bud!

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Re: Whose fault is this mess?
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2010, 08:54:56 AM »
Charlie Reese and POGO both have it right. "I have seen the enemy and I think it is us".

Bankers evolved to be in control very early on. They have many clones at work for them now. Until they are prevented from havint yhe influence and control that they do things will remain the same.

No politician will step out and buck the bankers/money. Sara Palin won that way but has since changed her line. No one will step up to challenge the system at it's core.

The Golden Rule, "Those that have the gold make the rules".

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Re: Whose fault is this mess?
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2010, 10:20:17 AM »
Again, just my opinion but doesn't it seem like the only thing the majority of our elected officials are interested in is money and power and getting as much as both for themselves as possible? You could be the best person possible for the job but if you don't have the money and connections to put forth a big production promoting yourself then you have little or no chance against those that do. Heck, you aren't likely to even get on the ballot. We keep getting the same poor choices because they are the ones with the most money. Simple as that.

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Re: Whose fault is this mess?
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2010, 10:38:39 AM »
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Whose fault is this mess?

Ultimately it is our fault, the American voting public as a whole. We have the means to change it, but the majority of people do not vote for their country, they vote for "stuff".  The 545 people are a reflection of ourselves as a whole. We allowed everything to take place that has taken place over many years.
complacency is some of the reason.  If you look at some of the founding fathers and how they thought of things, their energy, what they were willing to do, we have lost the most important part of our country and the true meaning of freedom, which does NOT mean you get to have "stuff".  People need leadership at all levels to make it in a free world, most important leaders are mom's and dads, there has to be some kind of moral compass to go by.  We lost a lot of that at a lot of levels.


It's our fault.


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Re: Whose fault is this mess?
« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2010, 11:24:19 AM »
SH...sure, therefore 'media' controls the elections and the media makes the money from the election process...and steer a dumb electorate..keeping them uninformed. Therefore,  get the media and the money out of the process and real candidates might surface. People well have to find and get their info from other sources.


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No guy, I just feel the media should be held to stricter standards. You have to admit that they do seem to back favorites while giving others a hard time and that does sway peoples views. I like being informed, as long as what I'm being told is the truth. If you allow someone to continualy tell you lies then guess what? They will keep right on lying to you.  If certain pollititions weren't allowed to waste millions on campaigns wouldn't you agree that voting might take a differant course. Couldn't all that money be put to a better use? Why is it that pollititions can raise all those millions to get elected, but once in office, they can't raise a dime to help fund things truly needed? Bottom line it's up to each individual voter to learn the facts but unfortunately we simply accept what the media tells us is fact. As you well know that often is far from the real truth. I'd just once like to see a man or woman step forward, say this is my proven record, here you can verify it yourself, this is what I stand for, this is what I hope to do and will do my very best to do. And then see them elected and actually fullfill their promises. No putting on shows. No big hoopla. No wasting millions. No lies, dissing their aponents, no media favoritism, just honesty for a change. For reasons that escape me, it seems that is too much to ask for.

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Re: Whose fault is this mess?
« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2010, 12:02:51 PM »
We should hold the media's feet AND those of our elected officials to the same fire. That also means we maintain high ethical standards for ourselves (put our own feet in that fire?). I sure like the paved bike trail in our town and plans for another one. No way this town can afford such a luxury on our own - really can't afford the soon to be paved road here either - should I lobby my elected officials to build it anyway? Like another said earlier, we vote for stuff and elect folks that get us stuff.  How many of us are ready to forego all the nice stuff we get from our fellow Americans (thru the Govt) to get things balanced out?  The minute something goes tilt, where do we run for a fix?

Elected officials try to deliver what we demand. Media survives by selling us what we buy. So we buy People Magazine and National Enquirer instead of carefully researched and analyzed reporting from the Christian Science Monitor or other former pillars of careful reporting. Heck look at this latest discrimination fiasco blasted about from Fox!

Fortunately in the long run I think America manages to find enough good leaders when we truly need them. A lot of other extremely capable leaders probably have no interest getting into the daily mess we have. We have to make an attractive atmosphere for the really good ones.
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Re: Whose fault is this mess?
« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2010, 12:38:34 PM »
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Fortunately in the long run I think America manages to find enough good leaders when we truly need them. A lot of other extremely capable leaders probably have no interest getting into the daily mess we have. We have to make an attractive atmosphere for the really good ones.


I hope so. I really do, and I totally agree. Many don't even run for fear of being put under a microscope or having to deal with all the coruption. Just the world we live in.

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Re: Whose fault is this mess?
« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2010, 03:12:23 AM »

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True , but we are on the membership commity and should start being more careful who we allow in ! ;)
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You think so....? How come we keep getting the same ole tired repubniks or demoniks the media offers up...the same lessor of 2 evil guys....pepsi or coke....??
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Well lets face it we the people control both , yes we do ! Shameful thing is we don'
t do it well. we are as a group a lazy people. We also try not to accuse others or judge their faults in an effort to not be judges . We allow our leaders the free pass to not being of high moral standard , guess it makes many voters feel they can get away with same. We could turn around the news media or all the media in about a couple days if we stopped buying the products of companies that support them . We could shut down any company that was un american the same way . I ask you why is that south anerican dictator still selling gas in our country ? CAUSE WE STILL BUY THE GAS !!!! when we stop buying he packs it in .

same for the 2 evils when we stop buying it they pack it in .
Think about this PETA and the NRA are both here because people here in this country  support them .

Hope that clears it up for ya !
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Re: Whose fault is this mess?
« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2010, 03:14:28 AM »
PS; look at how many don't even register to vote cause they don't want jury duty !
Then they bit-- cause both the courts and congress don't do the things they feel should be done !
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Re: Whose fault is this mess?
« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2010, 03:53:20 AM »
People that put us into this mess are the greedy business person, feel good do nothing politicians, and millions of people trying to live off the govt. Big business sends jobs overseas or hire's illegals to cut costs. Better bottom line for the stockholders. Bigger bonus's for the upper management. Politicians handing out pork faster than a cook at a rib fest. Giving welfare to miilions that don't deserve it. College educated idiots that don't have any common sense. gypsyman
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Re: Whose fault is this mess?
« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2010, 04:02:24 AM »
People that put us into this mess are the greedy business person, feel good do nothing politicians, and millions of people trying to live off the govt. Big business sends jobs overseas or hire's illegals to cut costs. Better bottom line for the stockholders. Bigger bonus's for the upper management. Politicians handing out pork faster than a cook at a rib fest. Giving welfare to miilions that don't deserve it. College educated idiots that don't have any common sense. gypsyman
Can't 100% agree with big business , many try but with OSHA , EPA ,taxes etc they go where they can make a profit . Take for example the health care bill . In effect for a company to be able to compete in the market place they will most likely drop all health insurance pay the one time fine and let employees get the govt. insurance . They will be blamed for doing so but they have no choice . The govt. knew this now didn't they but they say you won't lose your HC that you now have . When you do it will be your companies fault not theirs . They will say look we helped you keep it when the big bad company dropped it ! And many Americans will buy the BS .
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