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Re: Poachers
« Reply #30 on: July 24, 2010, 09:46:27 AM »
I think we paint poachers with too broad a brush.......What  is the definition of a poacher?

Poaching is the illegal taking of wild plants or animals contrary to local and international conservation and wildlife management  laws. Violations of hunting laws and regulations are normally punishable by law and, collectively, such violations are known as poaching.

It may be illegal and in violation because

    * The game or fish is not in season; usually the breeding season is declared as the closed season when wildlife species are protected by law.
    * The poacher does not possess a valid permit.
    * The poacher is illegally selling the animal or animal parts or plant for a profit.
    * The animal is being hunted outside of legal hours............(Better look at your watch before pulling the trigger.)
    * The hunter used an illegal weapon for that animal.
    * The animal or plant is on restricted land.
    * The right to hunt this animal is claimed by somebody.
    * The type of bait is inhumane. (food unsuitable for an animal's health, i.e. peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, nachos etc.)
    * The means used are illegal (for example, baiting a field while hunting quail or other animals, using spotlights to stun or paralyze deer, or hunting from a moving vehicle, watercraft, or aircraft).
    * The animal or plant is protected by law or that it has been listed as extinct or endangered (see for example the Endangered Species Act for the USA or the Migratory Bird Treaty Act of 1918 and similar laws/treaties.
    * The animal or plant has been tagged by a researcher.

NOTE that only wild animals can be poached. Stealing or killing domestic animals is considered to be theft ("cattle rustling"), not poaching.

Plant poaching is also on the rise. A prominent example is the removal of ginseng growing in the Great Smoky Mountains National Park.[1] It is estimated that wild ginseng plants are worth more than $260–365 per pound (dried) on the black market[2].
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Re: Poachers
« Reply #31 on: July 24, 2010, 01:44:25 PM »
 as stated before if it is to feed your family (need food to eat) that is one thing that i can justify.
but i have seen people shoot only a true trophy buck just to cut out the back straps and the horns and then enter it in a big buck contest and win the prize. these type of people never seem to get what should be coming to them. trophy poachers need to have the book thrown at them a few times(hopefully being hit with it). there is no excuse  for it. $10,000 fine and $500 per point and the loss of all guns and the car/truck that was used. i think that might get thru to them.1st offense  2nd offense ??? it would be a lot worse.
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Re: Poachers
« Reply #32 on: July 24, 2010, 05:05:29 PM »
as stated before if it is to feed your family (need food to eat) that is one thing that i can justify.
but i have seen people shoot only a true trophy buck just to cut out the back straps and the horns and then enter it in a big buck contest and win the prize. these type of people never seem to get what should be coming to them. trophy poachers need to have the book thrown at them a few times(hopefully being hit with it). there is no excuse  for it. $10,000 fine and $500 per point and the loss of all guns and the car/truck that was used. i think that might get thru to them.1st offense  2nd offense ??? it would be a lot worse.
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Again! Let the punishment fit the crime.

These not so bright fellas from Tn and Ga caught smallmouth bass (Way over the limit), and froze them to take home to eat.I've never heard of a market for Black Bass fillets. They broke the law, no doubt, and were caught.

I think the punishment was too harsh for catching over the limit. "JMHO"

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Re: Poachers
« Reply #33 on: July 24, 2010, 06:13:10 PM »
I discussed this with a local warden several years ago. He told me there was NEVER an excuse for poaching deer for food. He said that if anybody contacted him he could supply more road killed venison than they could eat and he'd bring it to them if need be. I've cleaned several road killed deer and I'd have to be mighty hungry or desperate to do it again. The guts explode on impact + a lot of bloody meat. The smell is horrendous. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Re: Poachers
« Reply #34 on: July 24, 2010, 07:24:53 PM »
I tend to agree on road kill, though every so often I find a tender doe that was clipped in the head.

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Re: Poachers
« Reply #35 on: July 24, 2010, 07:35:39 PM »
I am against poaching. Period.  But....... honestly speaking, are those who do it any more of a criminal than our own corrupt gooberment? Looks like another oppertunity to exercise jury nullification to me.  

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Re: Poachers
« Reply #36 on: July 25, 2010, 05:55:24 AM »
I discussed this with a local warden several years ago. He told me there was NEVER an excuse for poaching deer for food. He said that if anybody contacted him he could supply more road killed venison than they could eat and he'd bring it to them if need be. I've cleaned several road killed deer and I'd have to be mighty hungry or desperate to do it again. The guts explode on impact + a lot of bloody meat. The smell is horrendous. POWDERMAN.  :o :o


Back in the 70's I lived in a rural area that had a large population of deer. Most everyone who lived in that area had problems with hitting deer. I had the misfortune of hitting several over the years I lived there.

I had to finish one of them with a pistol to put it out of it's suffering. Calling a Game warden was a waste of time. The deer would lay on the road until Buzzards or other wild animals cleaned up the mess. If feasible, I took the deer home and processed it. I cannot see letting  meat go to waste.

If someone had witnessed me doing this, and called a warden, I could have been and probably would have been charged as a poacher.Should I lose my vehicle, gun, and hunting privileges for doing this?

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Re: Poachers
« Reply #37 on: July 25, 2010, 06:13:46 AM »
I kind of doubt that you went out hunting with your car/truck (so darned hard to get it into the tree stand, don't you know).  And salvaging meat from an animal you struck by accident is just good stewardship of resources.  I would guess it would depend on which warden showed up.  If it was an old timer, you might get a stern "Don't let me catch you doing this again!"  whereas a young hot-shot needing to prove himself might throw the book at you. 



I discussed this with a local warden several years ago. He told me there was NEVER an excuse for poaching deer for food. He said that if anybody contacted him he could supply more road killed venison than they could eat and he'd bring it to them if need be. I've cleaned several road killed deer and I'd have to be mighty hungry or desperate to do it again. The guts explode on impact + a lot of bloody meat. The smell is horrendous. POWDERMAN.  :o :o


Back in the 70's I lived in a rural area that had a large population of deer. Most everyone who lived in that area had problems with hitting deer. I had the misfortune of hitting several over the years I lived there.

I had to finish one of them with a pistol to put it out of it's suffering. Calling a Game warden was a waste of time. The deer would lay on the road until Buzzards or other wild animals cleaned up the mess. If feasible, I took the deer home and processed it. I cannot see letting  meat go to waste.

If someone had witnessed me doing this, and called a warden, I could have been and probably would have been charged as a poacher.Should I lose my vehicle, gun, and hunting privileges for doing this?


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Re: Poachers
« Reply #38 on: July 25, 2010, 07:20:48 AM »
Situations vary and thus should the way they are handled. I don't think any " chissled in stone " penalty can work fairly in every circumstance. No matter how a situation is handled you'll always have those that think it fair and just and those that think it not. Some game wardens can be overly zealous same as cops. I can remember one evening before opening day of deer season. We had hay baled and it was forecast to rain so, between that and wanting to hunt, we worked after dark bucking the bales. We noticed vehicles pull up out on the road and park but were too busy to pay them much mind. Then suddenly they hit their lights and came bareling into the pasture red lights flashing. Yep, we got raided by game wardens for using spotlights to see what we were doing. Was like something out of Key Stone Cops! What really burned us was that they gave us a hard time about it. Not like they hadn't sat there on the road for a good 30 minutes watching us. Finally we told them that unless they were gonna help get the hay up before it rained they could get the heck off our property!

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Re: Poachers
« Reply #39 on: July 25, 2010, 10:55:04 AM »
Just cops being cops, they had rather hassle someone than eat when they are hungry!
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