Author Topic: Forum "Road-Kill" (MORKO TRANSLATION PROJECT) (Read 9126 times)

thelionspaw · « **Reply #60 on:** July 30, 2010, 04:16:30 AM »

Is "y'all" in it?

Cat Whisperer · « **Reply #61 on:** July 30, 2010, 05:19:55 AM »

Quote from: thelionspaw on July 30, 2010, 04:16:30 AM

Is "y'all" in it?

I have NO DOUBT.

thelionspaw · « **Reply #62 on:** July 30, 2010, 06:07:18 AM »

That's "ratnice" Tim but now we get serious (sort of).

To dispell the notion that morko has anything to do with the newer eastern/oriental religious practice (a.k.a. Christianity), here is "Ave Maria" in latin. There isn't a trace of anything like it on morko; fractured or otherwise.

Ave Maria, gratia plena, Domus tecum. Benedicta tu in mulieribus, et benedictus fructus ventris tui, Iesus. Sancta Maria, mater Dei, ora pro nobis peccatoribus, nunc, et in hora mortis nostrae. Amen

Victor: "Name of the Rose" takes place during 1326 and is representative of the Latin scholarship for our period. DISCUMBOOBERATED! I'll be disappointed if you don't get to see it.

Zulu: Could be "Wind Talking" $:-\$ I'm not familiar with Navaho. I have a knowledge of Iroquoian; both Seneca and Mohawk through friends. My late aunt was Canadian Cree and I root for Magua in the Last of the Mohicans, not the Anglaize.

Here is an open question related to the movie, "Last of the Mohicans". Between cannon rounds, the crew is seen covering the breech with what I believe are sheep skins. I thought it was to keep the priming powder dry.

Someone I know who is involved with the weapons at Colonial Williamsburg, thought it was being done with dampened hides to cool the breech; which makes no sense to me, since the period of cover time would amount to zilch during this rapid fire scene and I believe it was raining at the time too. The question becomes academic.

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Max Caliber · « **Reply #63 on:** July 30, 2010, 06:29:16 AM »

I think that the practice of covering the vent that way was to prevent premature ignition from sparks from adjacent guns being fired.

thelionspaw · « **Reply #64 on:** July 30, 2010, 06:51:55 AM »

Max: Interesting! Could be but I've never read of that practice. If I remember correctly, it was raining during that time in the movie.

Cannoneer · « **Reply #65 on:** July 30, 2010, 10:37:51 AM »

Quote from: Victor3 on July 29, 2010, 10:10:16 PM

No problem, Boom. You needn't run the search engine out of gas on my account though; I don't know too many $10 words.

Well you just keep 'em commin' brother, and when you exhaust the $10 variety move on down to the $5 signifiers, because I'm prepared to field all the line drives you fire in my general direction.

Now will you please go and get that flicker that Richard needs you to peruse, if for no other reason than to see 007 play a medieval Franciscan without his toupee. BTW - Ebert gave this gem two and a half stars; but then again, what would you expect from an alchoholic atheist with a penchant for extremely obese womans [sic] (the poor, sorry, sad, schnook)?

Cat: The reason I is prepared to handle all incoming is because of my trusty "Compact Oxford English Dictionary" which came in a two volume boxed edition with a drawer on top that contains a high powered "Bausch & Lomb" magnifying glass. I think we got this in the later 80's when this microprinting process was still new tech; it's a hassle to use sometimes, but it sure saves a lot of space on the bookcase.

RocklockI · « **Reply #66 on:** July 30, 2010, 12:49:22 PM »

Richard this is some fine work .

There is a funny zigzag mark on the flat on the left side breech I thought it was just a scratch,but who knows maybe the owner put his name on it ?

Its just above the wall hook and below ........ ol' what's his name ? Not Jesus..... Is it a Devil now ?

Gary

thelionspaw · « **Reply #67 on:** July 30, 2010, 03:25:37 PM »

If you mean the letter to the right of the decorative symbol.....I am taking that to be a Gothic "S".

Here is a classic illustration of Odin.

The engraver seems to have had a bit of an individual style and his lettering is not uniform for the period. It is proving to be a problemo.

I'm convinced that it's not Latin but it is Anglo-Saxon.

I'm going to have to make a burnt offering to the Nordic gods for their help with this one. Do you think a monk will do?

RocklockI · « **Reply #68 on:** July 30, 2010, 04:53:44 PM »

The mark is not visable in that photo , it is just under the pointed 4 leaf clover . It was visable in one of the pics Dan sent me to work from , I think he took them on an earlier trip .

It looked like a little squatty hourglass .

ETA it is on the underside flat and is only a srcratch like was done with a bit of metal .

Victor3 · « **Reply #69 on:** July 30, 2010, 10:04:56 PM »

Quote from: thelionspaw on July 30, 2010, 06:07:18 AM

Victor: "Name of the Rose" takes place during 1326 and is representative of the Latin scholarship for our period. DISCUMBOOBERATED! I'll be disappointed if you don't get to see it.

Sounds interesting Richard. I'll have the Wife put it on her NetFlix list.

gulfcoastblackpowder · « **Reply #70 on:** July 31, 2010, 06:20:05 PM »

I think this is what Gary is referring to. Unfortunately, it's only visible in this one shot, and it wasn't taken with express intent of capturing it, but I've done what I can to help it stand out. To me, it appears to have some purpose, as the scratches seem to form some defined shape. They do appear to be etched on after casting, possibly like a maker's mark as Gary guesses, or possibly by some subsequent owner.

Link to full res image on my Photobucket account (see note below)

Edit: Tired of fighting fototime, I just uploaded the full res picture to my photobucket account and changed the link. You should be able to access DD's fototime gallery via the link provided in Gary's "bronze" thread if you want the other pictures.

dan610324 · « **Reply #71 on:** July 31, 2010, 11:09:24 PM »

I must confess that I havent seen that mark before

RocklockI · « **Reply #72 on:** August 01, 2010, 04:39:07 AM »

yep thats the mark ! Thanks Andy

Double D · « **Reply #73 on:** August 01, 2010, 04:40:23 AM »

I saw it and discounted as scratches in decorative coating and not in the metal. You certainly see the rough cast surface under the coating in that picture.

thelionspaw · « **Reply #74 on:** August 01, 2010, 04:55:05 AM »

You men are in possession of images that I might be able to use.

The entire left side of morko is too dark for me to really see with anything that I have here.

ALSO the nearly obliterated few letters to the right of the foliage would be nice to have without the glare.

I'll check the scratch marks today. Perhaps they were made by the fisherman to see if it was GOLD?

Please explain in detail (for a dummy) how I can get into these buckets, et al.

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dan610324 · « **Reply #75 on:** August 01, 2010, 05:45:30 AM »

dd , there is no decorative coating
its the patinated metal you see
what you think of as a cast surface is a highly corroded part of the surface
remember that this piece is almost 650 years old and have been in brackish sea water for probably 400 years

so the casting in itself is totally smooth

thelionspaw · « **Reply #76 on:** August 01, 2010, 07:46:16 AM »

As I see it, there are two choices:

1). A Viking on mead writing his name.

2). The fisherman who netted it, scratching it to see if it is gold.

gulfcoastblackpowder · « **Reply #77 on:** August 01, 2010, 12:44:55 PM »

Since you're so good at this marking interpretation, please tell us what you think is meant by 23136, and where did they find paint or other marking instrument that could keep it so well defined after so many years at the bottom of the sea?

BTW, if you didn't see it before, go to DD's link: Morko, go to the Morko gallery, then scroll down to the bottom set, which are the full res pictures. Click on any of them at Original size, and you will have access to the same material I have. I tweaked the image in Photoshop to extract some more definition out of the scratches. I think you must be right about your belief as to their origin. They definitely seem to be intentional, but I don't know if they have any meaning.

dan610324 · « **Reply #78 on:** August 01, 2010, 01:13:59 PM »

I got them in full size already
as it was I who took them

could it be the social security number of the former owner maybe ??

or is it a museum number ??

RocklockI · « **Reply #79 on:** August 01, 2010, 01:51:57 PM »

I vote for a Viking signiture because .... well ,who wouldnt the viking signiture ? Did the vikes have any writen language ?

Does the look of it ring any bells ?

We went to the Kemah boardwalk t oday , Houstons greatest single thing is ...YEP the heat , 102 by the therm. crazy out of your mind heat , the kind of heat that might make you think you are a brick in a kiln , a fish on a grill , Or maybe 8 feet from the sun .

Zulu I will call you tonight or tomorrow .

Zulu · « **Reply #80 on:** August 01, 2010, 02:23:51 PM »

Rocklock,
Living in Colorado has made you soft. Days like today are the norm here at this time of year.
Anyone becomes acclimated to where they live. If I lived in Colorado I would probably cry over the cold.

Tomorrow is supossed to be a 101!

Zulu

thelionspaw · « **Reply #81 on:** August 01, 2010, 04:26:09 PM »

Gary,
"Rune" is a complete and written language.

As for the scratch marks: I can see the fisherman taking it out of his net in 1828 and scratching it, to see if it was gold. Remember; this was an object from where alot of found pieces were made of gold. Vikings were looters.

GCBP: How do I approach, "DD's morko link"?

thelionspaw · « **Reply #82 on:** August 01, 2010, 04:55:14 PM »

GCBP: Disregard! I found it!! I wish I would have know it was there when I started pulling my hair out

Zulu · « **Reply #83 on:** August 01, 2010, 05:23:22 PM »

Don't pull too much out! Gray hairs are better than no hairs.

Zulu

gulfcoastblackpowder · « **Reply #84 on:** August 01, 2010, 05:37:02 PM »

Quote from: dan610324 on August 01, 2010, 01:13:59 PM

I got them in full size already
as it was I who took them

could it be the social security number of the former owner maybe ??
or is it a museum number ??

I know you have them - that was for Richard. I'm guessing you're holding out on us...keeping the one's of you actually firing it to yourself.

Glad you finally found the link, Richard! Don't feel bad. I started pulling my hair out a long time before I posted the link.

dan610324 · « **Reply #85 on:** August 01, 2010, 09:26:35 PM »

I didnt need to pull it out by myself, I lost it anyway some 20-25 years ago

Victor3 · « **Reply #86 on:** August 01, 2010, 10:21:04 PM »

Quote from: Zulu on August 01, 2010, 05:23:22 PM

Don't pull too much out! Gray hairs are better than no hairs.
Zulu

Don't pull any out. For every one you pull, ten show up for the funeral...

Incitatus · « **Reply #87 on:** August 02, 2010, 02:17:43 AM »

Quote from: dan610324 on August 01, 2010, 01:13:59 PM

I got them in full size already
as it was I who took them

could it be the social security number of the former owner maybe ??
or is it a museum number ??

Hi.

I seem to have missed something. What is the story behind these pictures? Where where they taken and so on. It looks like you were examining the actual gun.

Thanks

dan610324 · « **Reply #88 on:** August 02, 2010, 02:34:16 AM »

yes , I visited the museum to take some photos of garys mörkö copy beside the original as I promissed him to do that if he made a copy of it , and he did .
the photos was taken in a research room ( vault ) in the basement of the historical museum in stockholm

but I didnt know then that those pictures should be this interesting ammong people here at the forum
so they are not taken as a research material , just as some fun pictures for gary .
if I had known that this should have happened I would have taken a lot more and better pictures

Incitatus · « **Reply #89 on:** August 02, 2010, 03:17:27 AM »

Thanks.

If there is interest, I can post some pictures of original historical firearms that I own...