Author Topic: problem new x-pro trigger (Read 3566 times)

remshooter · « **on:** July 25, 2010, 09:49:09 AM »

just bougt new rem .300 win mag rem at sportsmens wharehouse . trigger sometimes will let off at 3 .5 pounds ,using trigger gauge, but 95% of time lets off at 4 to 5 pounds ,adjusted scew till it almost falls out of gun will not let off below 4 pounds and it is not consistint . ( if scew it in pull gets harder)any ideas before sending it back to remington? p.s have 6 or 7 older rem made between 1999 and 2006 with older triggers always set them at 3 pounds but could get them down to 2 pounds if wanted to .there new trigger isnt no improvment to me.

700xcr · « **Reply #1 on:** July 26, 2010, 05:43:07 PM »

Sounds like you need to change the weight of pull spring. A fellow benchrest shooter change my spring with a spring cut down from a ball point pen and was able to adjust my trigger down to a safe 2Ibs. trigger pull. It past the safety bump test. Trigger is crisp and breaks like glass with no creep.

TXSPIKE · « **Reply #2 on:** August 07, 2010, 01:54:40 PM »

I read a lot about these triggers.Some love them and some hate them.I've got three rifles with them and I'm able to easily get them down to 2-2.5lb range by adjusting only the pull weight screw with no creep and they break like glass.My thinking is,the two other screws on the trigger may have not been properly adjusted from the factory.They put a special adhesive on these screws because they don't want you messing with them.The pull weight screw has a soft adhesive and it's easy to remove.I'd contact Remington and see what they can do for you or you can replace it.Remington makes a good trigger,it just has to be adjusted right.

mike4 · « **Reply #3 on:** August 07, 2010, 06:51:04 PM »

i have an sps varmint and the older x mark that is not externally adjustable. this trigger came set at about 8 lbs from the factory i had my gunsmith do a trigger job on it and he said that the other 3 screws were pinned in place and were not removable. he also stated that this so called improved trigger was nothing more than a new lawyer prof trigger. however he was able to get it down to about 1.5 lbs.

TXSPIKE · « **Reply #4 on:** August 31, 2010, 02:03:33 AM »

Has anyone tried contacting Remington to see what they say?

hesco · « **Reply #5 on:** September 10, 2010, 02:37:58 PM »

get a timney trigger

Swampman · « **Reply #6 on:** September 11, 2010, 03:27:45 AM »

Quote from: TXSPIKE on August 31, 2010, 02:03:33 AM

Has anyone tried contacting Remington to see what they say?

Ding!........correct answer

The current Remington is better than any of the aftermarket triggers.

Graybeard · « **Reply #7 on:** September 12, 2010, 12:27:12 PM »

Sorry Swampy one but in this case you are wrong. As much as I love my Remington long guns I feel they have screwed up royally with the new X Mark Pro trigger.

I just recently picked up my first one an XHR 7-08 and like the OP says it's not adjustable. It came from the factory breaking at 4.25 to 4.5 pounds. Better than they used to be but still not the 3.5 pounds they claim. I adjusted the screw same as the OP and all I got for my efforts were a bit heavier pull and far less consistency. It now varies by a full pound rather than the 4 ounces it started out varying by.

I will be calling Remington this coming week about it to see if there is a trick I'm not aware of in adjusting it. To their shame the owner's manual packed with it is a really old one that doesn't address the newer trigger at all. It's a generic version for all Model 700s, Model Sevens and the 793 or whatever the heck that guide gun thing is they made for awhile. They just put a stick on label on the back to reference the actual rifle I bought. At least it did have the allen wrench in the box.

It's a good looking rifle with a camo stock and Hogue over moulding in grip areas. I've been wanting to pick up one of the trianular barrel rifles since they came out to check them out and finally took the plunge when I found this one without the silly slits in the barrel and chambered to my favorite deer round the 7-08.

I can live with the trigger as is if I have to but I'd sure have preferred the previous version which was so easy to adjust and was consistent once adjusted. This is the first Remington M700 or M7 I've owned that I can't get down to 3 pounds.

Swampman · « **Reply #8 on:** September 12, 2010, 12:46:47 PM »

Is yours the current X-Mark Pro? It's different from the first generation X-Mark Pro.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=342647

2nd generation

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/15/remingtons-new-adjustable-x-mark-pro-trigger/

Graybeard · « **Reply #9 on:** September 13, 2010, 07:43:04 AM »

I have both. The early ones are great triggers. The latest X Mark Pro external adjustment is an abomination.

Swampman · « **Reply #10 on:** September 13, 2010, 08:58:06 AM »

I'd like to have the 2nd generation. I don't like taking my barreled action out of the stock.

Graybeard · « **Reply #11 on:** September 13, 2010, 01:42:18 PM »

I really don't mind taking it out of the stock and it's something I do at least initially on all new rifles and especially so if wood stocked. I check for any interference with rough places which is common on wood stocked rifles even laminated stocks.

I spoke with them at length about this today. I got a distinct impression they are well aware the new trigger has problems. He wouldn't admit that they are getting more complaints about it than normal about new features but he didn't sound very convincing.

He did say that turning it counter clockwise as I did is correct to lower the pull weight. He quickly commented that likely something had come loose between the screw and the trigger/sear so that gave me the impression this is a common defect with the new trigger. He offered to send me a new trigger assembly for it but it has to be shipped to an FFL holder as it's an FFL restricted item. I would then have to either replace it myself or pay to have it done. I'm sure they would also pay to have it returned to them to fix it but then I'd have to remove the scope and bases and be without it several weeks.

I'm thinking over my options and will likely take it out of the stock and see if I can see a problem there that I can fix on my own. I could live with it as is as it's only around 4 pounds most of the time but is more inconsistent than I like. I can also take it to B'ham as they have a warranty repair station there. Right now I'm not sure which option I'll take but I will say that of the prolly 200+ Remington rifles I've owned this has the worst trigger of them all.

On the XR-100 rifles they had the 40-X adjustable trigger that this one is trying to roughly duplicate and it was fast and simple to adjust and stayed where you adjusted it. That's a great trigger far better than any other I've owned just as this version is so far the worst.

They stand ready to make it right and if I decide to go that route no doubt will do so.

Mr. Joe · « **Reply #12 on:** September 16, 2010, 10:26:51 AM »

My newer x mark is also junk. Adjusting the external screw does nothing. I replaced it with a drop in timiney unit and have been very happy thus far.

Swampman · « **Reply #13 on:** September 16, 2010, 10:34:54 AM »

I'll take your old trigger....

Mr. Joe · « **Reply #14 on:** September 18, 2010, 07:57:41 AM »

p.m me if your serious. Always willing to help a brother out.

1sourdough · « **Reply #15 on:** September 27, 2010, 11:46:33 PM »

Well, put me in the camp of the new x-pro trigger is a step backwards. I just picked up my Model 7 Predator in 243. You can back the screw out and my trigger gauge still reads 4.0+lbs and varies some with most pulls. I guess before I fork over for the Timney I may try a spring change, nothing to lose. I think they just put that adjustment screw there to make people feel like they have some control, even though is does not do anything. Now what if you bought an after-market adjustable trigger & it acted like that?

With the adjustment screw totally out the pull is still 3.5-4lbs on the gauge. The spring is held in position & I can't see it falling out. Since Midway has the Timney trigger on sale through the 30th of Sep I ordered one($109 or so). Brownells says this trigger fits the Model 7 also, we shall see.

I try not to be a snob, but when your used to a consistent 2.5 or 3 lbs, the variable 4+ lb'er doesn't cut it.

Swampman · « **Reply #16 on:** September 28, 2010, 01:45:00 AM »

I sure don't understand why folks are having a problem. I don't even adjust mine and they are perfect.

marine · « **Reply #17 on:** September 28, 2010, 06:34:13 AM »

I dont like mine either. The 40x trigger on my last one was great and it was just as easy to adjust. I dont know why remington has to mess with what we know works and alrady like. Then again i think the old triggers were pretty easy to adjust.

Swampman · « **Reply #18 on:** September 28, 2010, 06:46:53 AM »

I've probably read 10,000+ complaints about the old trigger.

marine · « **Reply #19 on:** September 28, 2010, 09:00:18 AM »

i did serve its purpose though and as long as you didnt try to mess with the take up it worked out well enough for what i do.

Graybeard · « **Reply #20 on:** September 29, 2010, 02:30:34 AM »

Quote from: Swampman on September 28, 2010, 06:46:53 AM

I've probably read 10,000+ complaints about the old trigger.

None of them was from me and I seriously doubt you've heard even a small fraction of that many in reality. So far as I know all complaints came from folks who tried to do their own adjustments yet didn't know what they were doing and made it dangerous.

This new trigger is junk. When I buy bolt rifles I buy Remington. I'd say that trend is now ended unless and until they get rid of this new trigger. I will NOT buy another remington rifle with it.

Swampman · « **Reply #21 on:** September 29, 2010, 04:19:16 AM »

Since most folks seem to really like it, I'm guessing it's here to stay.

351 power · « **Reply #22 on:** September 29, 2010, 01:46:29 PM »

i'm not sure reality is swampy's strong suit

Swampman · « **Reply #23 on:** September 29, 2010, 02:02:00 PM »

I'd rather shoot a Remington with a bad trigger than another brand.

351 power · « **Reply #24 on:** September 29, 2010, 03:02:35 PM »

that pretty well seals the reality thing

bowtech302 · « **Reply #25 on:** October 19, 2010, 10:57:13 AM »

Remington's new triggers are not good. My gunsmith (who has done many of my guns including other 700s with zero issues) couldn't get my newest less than 4 pounds without having it fail the bounce test. And I agree, there still is variation on the pull weight, sometimes mine still goes over 5 pounds. Pathetic. Remington has really gone downhill. They are no longer the company they once were. I work at a sporting goods store and we have issue after issue with them anymore. I love my old 700s but I'd lean toward Savage if I was buying new

Flinch · « **Reply #26 on:** October 21, 2010, 07:41:53 AM »

I bought a new 700 VTR last year in 308. At first I was disappointed with it. The trigger sucked, and it wouldnt shoot under an inch and a half at a hundred yards. So I had a decision to to send it down the road, or make it do what I wanted.

The trigger was the first thing that needed work, im not sure if its the newest model, but im pretty sure its the X-mark trigger.
The screw in the face of trigger did nothing so I removed it, didnt like my finger hittin it anyway. There are three other adjustment screws that were loc-tited in just like the old style triggers. I wont go into the adjustment procedure here but its on the internet if you search for it. I got the trigger down to a crisp 2.5 lbs and bounced the rifle on floor for a few minutes, and did everything I could think of to try to make it accidentally go off, so far so good. Now I think its the best trigger I have ever had on a rifle.
Next was the accuracy issue. These new plastic stocks are just awfull, this is one area Remington should be ashamed of. The after market stock companies should be sending Remington a nice token of appreciation for the holidays.
Anyway, I couldnt get this rifle to shoot until I bedded and floated the stock. Now it shoots well under an inch, probably even better than that, but thats as good as I can shoot it, I couldnt be much happier with it.
I do think it sucks though that a major gun manufacturer sells a product that is an unfinished, work in progress.

Squib · « **Reply #27 on:** October 25, 2010, 02:57:35 PM »

so besides a blow-torch, what works good de-goop the trigger assembly. I'm thinking solvents, preferably petroleum based. I'd rather not flash-rust the trigger with acetone or something like it. I've read that THOROUGHLY blowing out the assembly a few times with breakleen, then flushing it, canned air to dry it out, and rem-oiling it would get it smoother (without changing anything). I'd personally go with dextron-type automatic transmission fluid to lube it though. any thoughs on the dex-aft? I've never worked on a rem trigger but want to smooth mine up a bit. I'm not so sure I should be messing with the sear engagement.

I have (beyond eye issues already) shaky hands and the pull weight on mine is JUST enough that my finger twitches slightly from tension AS it breaks the trigger. if the pull weight was up or down a half pound (I don't care which) I'd either feel that tremor and wait it out and then finish, or just break the trigger before it happened. it is extremely crisp and feels (to me, no scale) consistent.

Graybeard · « **Reply #28 on:** October 25, 2010, 06:43:23 PM »

The X-Mark is in my opinion an excellent trigger. The X-Mark Pro is not worth having. I'd as soon they sell it minus a trigger and cut the cost so buyers can save a bit in getting a decent trigger. I was fine with the older ones as well but the latest is to me nothing but JUNK.

I use acetone and a brass brush to remove the adhesive Remington uses. First I use a Q-Tip soaked in acetone then follow that up quickly with a brass cleaning brush. Usually that clears it off the old triggers. The X-Mark (NOT X-Mark Pro) uses an allen wrench and so far those I've worked on only needed a Q-Tip with acetone to clean it out and ready it for adjustment.

DO NOT mess with any of the screws but the pull weight adjustment screw.

Squib · « **Reply #29 on:** October 25, 2010, 06:58:07 PM »

I just got done with the lighter fluid flush, rem oil, THEN dex-atf. smooth, half the effort as before. I wish I'd have known about dex awhile back, just found out about lighter fluid today.

is lighter fluid corrosive long-term (if it can't evaporate from the metal)?

I have the supposedly non-adjustable x-mark (two allen-head screws in front, don't know about the rest- I didn't take it off the reciever), no screw in the trigger face.

pm me on the handi-rifle trigger tips too please gb. a handi is why I joined gbo in the first place, and i'm actually using that first this year to full-power slug a deer with a .458 @ approx. 2000fps. the .308 handload terminal ballistics tests come later if this season goes well.