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Offline waksupi

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« on: November 30, 2003, 11:46:24 AM »
With the good lube formulas today, just how many, and how wide and deep do the lube grooves really need to be for higher velocity shooting? Take into account a long straight gas check shank, that would also carry some lube. Wouldn't it be better to leave all the lead possible on the bearing surface to ride in the rifling grooves?

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« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2003, 01:03:26 PM »
It is difficult make a statement as to what is the proper number of lube grooves without knowing what the shooter wants from his loads.  High speed or max accuracy with moderate speed.

Some of the winning CB shooters today use only one lube groove plus the check shank and get excellent velocity with steller accuracy, but they taper their bullets so the long nose doesn't contact the grooves as a standard bullet like my designs do.

Groove depth is not critical so long as it is a bit deeper than the rifling, except that groove shape aids castability and influences wheter the lube stays in place.

When using LBT bullet designs, and especially with LBT lube, which stands more stress than most if not all other bullet lubricants, fill only as many grooves as are needed to control leading.  Precision target shooters will generally find that less lube give tightest groups if leading is being controled.  But they will need to pay attention to ambient and barrel temperatures, or go home stumped if the weather turns hotter than when they developed their pet load.

The other side of the coin, and very critical to most shooters is the need for loads to work anywhere, any time, any weather, in which case, fill all the grooves on LBT bullets.   Very little accuracy is sacrificed when a bullet is "overlubed",  Everything is lost when underlubed.
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« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2003, 05:13:27 AM »
Thank you both for your imput. I guess it was the variations between Loverin type bullets and others with minimal grooves that made me wonder. I realize that the Loverin was developed before good lubes were in general use.
I look at the heavy bullet I'm shooting in my .358 Win, and thinking there's a huge capacity for lube, and wondered if it was all necessary. Testing this time of year in cold weather wouldn't tell me much about how much was actually needed. A spring project.

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« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2003, 06:07:42 PM »
You've made an excellent point.  Testing is a spring project, but better yet move the final test to hot weather.  Cast loads which fail, do it at high temperatures.  Make them work when it's hot and you'll have a year round load.
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