Author Topic: Trator (Read 1842 times)

wreckhog · « **Reply #30 on:** August 01, 2010, 07:08:53 PM »

The tree of liberty needs to be watered with the blood of patriots every once in a while. Forget who said that. Lindsey Lohan maybe.

Spirithawk · « **Reply #31 on:** August 01, 2010, 07:27:20 PM »

Something you all would do well to remember. You are safely at home, forming your opinions of those who's shoes very few of you have the slightest clue what it's like to fill. This all reminds me of something I'm thinking you all have either forgotten or in your blissfull ignorance have never heard of. Anyone remember Mai Lai? There were those who were labeled heroes for reporting it. But few even tried to undestand why it happened. You see your fellow brothers in arms killed in ways that would make each of you lose your last meal at just seeing a photo, you have your hands tied by beuracratic red tape and regulations severely limiting your ability to even fight back, and eventually you just don't care any more. The enemy is anyone not fighting beside you. We had a saying back then. Kill them all and let God sort them out. As cold as that sounds it was a matter of survival both of body and mind. You couldn't afford to stop and think because if you did you often died. You folks are looking for right answers on one side or the other. I'm telling you there are none. Depending on why each did as they did, there is both right and wrong on both sides of the coin. Only they themselves know the answers to that and I'm betting they aren't even sure. Such is war! I think Squib knows exactly what I'm saying. For those of you who never heard of Mai Lai here's a link.
http://modern-us-history.suite101.com/article.cfm/mai_lai_and_its_legacy

Squib · « **Reply #32 on:** August 01, 2010, 07:44:15 PM »

I never shot anyone, but I did slap around a lot of detainees in the process of "detaining" them. I didn't beat on them or anything, but I wrestled them down, zip-tied them in front of their families, sent them off for interrogation (maybe a few questions, maybe a beating, maybe to be chewed on my a military dog..) all after breaking into their houses. I feel sick about almost all of it. I know that if the roe's were different I would have done quite a bit of killing, I also know that if the roe's were different that I wouldn't have been ambushed and ended up blind and crippled for a long time because I would have been on the offense. I'm 100% sure that I volunteered to go on their turf and am responsible for my wounds and guilt. I'm not sure I could have done any better by the civilians, myself or enemy warriors had I known then what I know now. I AM sure that the jihadists/insurgents were better people than most american politicians. They are the real enemy, and I do not blame any american for defecting against them, whether I disagree with it or not I do not judge them. We "warriors" are sent in harms way and treated like garbage after while welfare bums and foreigners get pc treatment and handouts.

If the guy didn't get paid for his loose lips then he must have got something else out of it, maybe a kick out of stirring up some crap but probably satisfaction for exposing gross incompetence, fraud, negligence and such.

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Dee · « **Reply #33 on:** August 02, 2010, 04:36:30 AM »

The country of Iraq had NOTHING to do with 911, or any other terrorist attack against the United States of America before the FIRST invasion of said country. Did they like us? No, but neither does China, and we haven't invaded China. ANY ATROCITY in Iraq is on our shoulders if we were involved, as WE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA went there UNINVITED, and WE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA started this mess in Iraq.
As I have said earlier, the young soldier SHOULD NOT HAVE divulged the information, BUT! THE INFORMATION IS THE TRUTH CONCERNING THE LIE, the government has created, and the American people have supported. We speak of soldiers killed because of the leak, but we don't have the slightest bit of outrage concerning the MILLIONS of men women and children (IRAQIS) that have lost their lives, families, homes, ect, BECAUSE OF OUR LIE.
When my own son went there, and Afghanistan THREE TIMES, I was concerned for his safety, and his LIFE, and that he was in such a position while serving under A ROUGE GOVERNMENT GONE WILD, that cares NOTHING ABOUT LIFE OR LIMB, BUT ONLY ABOUT POWER OVER THE LITTLE MAN.
So as bad as the leak may or may not be gentlemen. WHOM IS THE REAL VICTIM HERE? In reality the soldier, though wrong for his actions, OFFERED THE WORLD PROOF OF THE LIE, AND IT'S HORRIBLE, AND ON GOING TRAVISTIES. The blood collectively is on all our hands for this LIE called war. You may not agree, but you will damn sure pay for it in the end.

Spirithawk · « **Reply #34 on:** August 02, 2010, 05:02:20 AM »

Quote from: TM7 on August 02, 2010, 04:06:21 AM

First of all, those guys were Iracquis and they have a right to be in their own country last time I checked. Secondly, they were unarmed so that is step one in ruling them out as warriors. Thirdly, there seems to be no 'fog of war' involved with the incident. Fourth, the concept of 'warriors' is an interesting study...looking into proto Greek and European culture indicates that shooting unarmed civilians from 1000 meters and 500 feet is not of warriors, but certainly is of modern warfare....btw, war was made 'inhumane' with the invention of gunpowder (tongue-in-cheek). Warriors don't float excuses for this Baghdad massacre or Mai Lai, but call it what it is....genocidal mental breakdown. Perhaps SpiritHawk will share what 'Warrior' means from native cultures.

..TM7
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Not being baited. Soldiers are human and suffer breakdowns under stress, for very good reasons, is all I was trying to get accross. I think Dee adds to what I said. My main point though being that you can't judge a soldier unless you are there fighting by his side and personaly know what is happening.

As to your question, though I doubt it's the answer you sought....Warrior, in it's purest sense means one who is the protecter of his people and who sacrifices himself to do so. Their traditional roles involve more than fighting enemies. They care for people and help in any way needed, in any time of difficulty. They will do anything to help their people survive, including laying down their own lives.

The one fact you can count on where the government is concerned is that nothing is ever as it apears.

teddy12b · « **Reply #35 on:** August 02, 2010, 05:27:30 AM »

I'm not going to assume this guy is guilty until it's proven, but whoever leaked the information violated an unspoken code in the military of not screwing over your buddies. Releasing this information will show the bad guys what's been working and what hasn't. Whoever leaked the information put everyone in the service overseas at greater risk, and deserves to be punished.

Spirithawk · « **Reply #36 on:** August 02, 2010, 05:30:03 AM »

Quote from: TM7 on August 02, 2010, 05:16:30 AM

SH...no baiting going on,,,,just looking for your opinion. Your answer is OK....but there is much much much more.....ergo, warriors can discern enemies from the benign on the field. There is a huge difference between Warriors and bots, weather you want to acknowledge it or not today.

TM7
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Fair enough. You just have to understand that I have to be extra careful what I say because I am often baited simply because of my AniKituhwagi upbringing and beliefs. Usualy because someone can't think of a justifiable response.

As to.....warriors can discern enemies from the benign on the field. There is a huge difference between Warriors and bots, weather you want to acknowledge it or not today.

That is simply a given and sorry but not what you asked. That applies to any soldier, cop, or anyone who carries a gun, including those such as myself who have a CCW, and not just of native cultures.

wreckhog · « **Reply #37 on:** August 02, 2010, 05:47:42 AM »

Quote from: Spirithawk on August 01, 2010, 07:27:20 PM

Something you all would do well to remember. You are safely at home, forming your opinions of those who's shoes very few of you have the slightest clue what it's like to fill. This all reminds me of something I'm thinking you all have either forgotten or in your blissfull ignorance have never heard of. Anyone remember Mai Lai? There were those who were labeled heroes for reporting it. But few even tried to undestand why it happened. You see your fellow brothers in arms killed in ways that would make each of you lose your last meal at just seeing a photo, you have your hands tied by beuracratic red tape and regulations severely limiting your ability to even fight back, and eventually you just don't care any more. The enemy is anyone not fighting beside you. We had a saying back then. Kill them all and let God sort them out. As cold as that sounds it was a matter of survival both of body and mind. You couldn't afford to stop and think because if you did you often died. You folks are looking for right answers on one side or the other. I'm telling you there are none. Depending on why each did as they did, there is both right and wrong on both sides of the coin. Only they themselves know the answers to that and I'm betting they aren't even sure. Such is war! I think Squib knows exactly what I'm saying. For those of you who never heard of Mai Lai here's a link.
http://modern-us-history.suite101.com/article.cfm/mai_lai_and_its_legacy

Hugh Thompson backed down American footsoldiers with a gunship. Wow, that is a hero?

beerbelly · « **Reply #38 on:** August 02, 2010, 05:52:57 AM »

TM you are not going to get away with that LIE! They showed the helo attack on those rag heads 50 times on TV. They were armed!!! You can plainly see the AK 47s.
It its plain to see you are a Muslim that hates this country. You try to twist any thing you can to make it look bad on the USA while supporting your rag head brothers.
Beerbelly

gstewart44 · « **Reply #39 on:** August 02, 2010, 06:17:48 AM »

Quote from: wreckhog on August 01, 2010, 07:08:53 PM

The tree of liberty needs to be watered with the blood of patriots every once in a while. Forget who said that. Lindsey Lohan maybe.

Ed Harris in "The Rock"

Swampman · « **Reply #40 on:** August 02, 2010, 06:23:52 AM »

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REUTERS IS ON OUR SIDE...GET IT?

You've got to be joking.....

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #41 on:** August 02, 2010, 06:24:46 AM »

It has been said that America won WW2 in its factories . Not taking any thing away from the soilder at all it just shows that supplies help keep the point of the spear sharp. In VN and the Gulf as in most places those supplying , transporting , medical and helping in general are an important part of the enemies operation . To expect to stop their advance and not kill those components even though they don't carry weapons is pure foolish thinking . Look around they understand it all to well.

blind ear · « **Reply #42 on:** August 02, 2010, 06:30:42 AM »

Quote from: Squib on August 01, 2010, 07:44:15 PM

I never shot anyone, but I did slap around a lot of detainees in the process of "detaining" them. I didn't beat on them or anything, but I wrestled them down, zip-tied them in front of their families, sent them off for interrogation (maybe a few questions, maybe a beating, maybe to be chewed on my a military dog..) all after breaking into their houses. I feel sick about almost all of it. I know that if the roe's were different I would have done quite a bit of killing, I also know that if the roe's were different that I wouldn't have been ambushed and ended up blind and crippled for a long time because I would have been on the offense. I'm 100% sure that I volunteered to go on their turf and am responsible for my wounds and guilt. I'm not sure I could have done any better by the civilians, myself or enemy warriors had I known then what I know now. I AM sure that the jihadists/insurgents were better people than most american politicians. They are the real enemy, and I do not blame any american for defecting against them, whether I disagree with it or not I do not judge them. We "warriors" are sent in harms way and treated like garbage after while welfare bums and foreigners get pc treatment and handouts.

If the guy didn't get paid for his loose lips then he must have got something else out of it, maybe a kick out of stirring up some crap but probably satisfaction for exposing gross incompetence, fraud, negligence and such. ?

>Squib, IF you were there you don't have to apologize. You were a kid when you joined. If they only let people over 35 be soilders, there would be no wars, You have earned the right to say it was right or wrong. The people that know what war is and don't tell the truth after they are older and know better are the problem. If the enemy were comeing to our shores it would be one thing, but when all the wars are about some countrys bad economy or some other countries ecconomic interest, what does freedom and liberty have to do with it? It has been 65 years since WWII ended and the US has had 100s of 1000s of troops all over the world protecting whom from what?

If you were a soilder you have the right to say what you wish>

eddiegjr

billy_56081 · « **Reply #43 on:** August 02, 2010, 08:21:58 AM »

Once again TM you pass off your fasle information for truth. The guys were armed and were enemy combatents. I guess myself I. Have no issue with indecriminate killing. Although our panty waste society tries to put a stigma on soldiers killing. I myself found killing in combat quite exciting and enjoyable. Now people seem to not like it when I talk about this openly but I guess I don't really care.

beerbelly · « **Reply #44 on:** August 02, 2010, 08:26:23 AM »

I watched that tape on fox news run in slow motion. You could clearly se the AK 47’s! If Reuters reporters were hanging out with the bad guys, to damn bad! The liberal press was likely giving the bad guys intel on our guys. Sure as hell would not put it past them. The more rag heads they kill the better!
Beerbelly

saddlebum · « **Reply #45 on:** August 02, 2010, 08:28:35 AM »

Quote from: TM7 on August 02, 2010, 06:10:14 AM

Quote from: beerbelly on August 02, 2010, 05:52:57 AM

TM you are not going to get away with that LIE! They showed the helo attack on those rag heads 50 times on TV. They were armed!!! You can plainly see the AK 47s.
It its plain to see you are a Muslim that hates this country. You try to twist any thing you can to make it look bad on the USA while supporting your rag head brothers.
Beerbelly
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You're not only full of beer you're full of crap, or simply confusing this incident with another...or both. Higher ups already said the group was reporters carrying camera and tripod equipment. THEY WERE REUTERS REPORTERS...REUTERS IS ON OUR SIDE...GET IT?

It is clear to see that you are an enemy of this country that supports a fascist tyranny takeover of this great country and turning over all that goes with it....to include aimlessly killing anybody not just like yourself.... (.)

..TM7

I saw it on the news more than once. The report was that Reuters was embeded with the enemy. No one knew that
, no way to tell. "Stuff" happens in war. Thats one of the reasons war is hell. It's not like they beheaded them on video. Which is the custom of our enemy. Bad things happen. Who's fault is it ? Well who started the war in the first place? I'm sure we will hear a lengthy spin on that from someone who hates America.

wreckhog · « **Reply #46 on:** August 02, 2010, 08:41:21 AM »

Quote from: billy_56081 on August 02, 2010, 08:21:58 AM

I myself found killing in combat quite exciting and enjoyable. Now people seem to not like it when I talk about this openly but I guess I don't really care.

Quote from: billy_56081 on August 02, 2010, 08:29:34 AM

I agree with beerbelly shoot a bunch of them as they invade and they will stop coming. I'd have no problem doing it myself. Like the saying goes "how can you shoot women and children" "that's easy you just lead them a little less".

I believe that makes you a sociopath.

Pat/Rick · « **Reply #47 on:** August 02, 2010, 08:46:14 AM »

I don't condone nor approve of the pvts actions but, he did let the US know truth(?) from the info. Is he really anymore of a criminal than members of a corrupt gov't that pay off a bankers extortion of a nation. Anymore criminal than the export of jobs to develop other nations while letting their own fall into financial disrepair. Anymore than a gov't who looks the other way of its own laws, that enables criminal foreigners the right to gain assistance, both financial and social, from its coffers. Anymore than a gov't who looks the other way when a candidates Constitutional eligibility is at question. Anymore than a gov't that is willing to limit not only God given rights, but Constitutional rights of its nations citizens. Anymore than a gov't requiring passports for her own citizens to enter their nation but excusing criminal drug dealers. Anymore than a gov't who prosecutes Border Patrol Agents for shooting a criminal in the ass,(Ramos and Compeon). Patrick 72-76,US Army 11B2P

beerbelly · « **Reply #48 on:** August 02, 2010, 09:03:42 AM »

He is a trator and should be shot! I think he likely never thought of it in those terms. He likely was just looking for his shot at the lime light. But it matters not, he is a trator and should be shot! What anyone else dose has nothing to do with what he has done.
Beerbelly

saddlebum · « **Reply #49 on:** August 02, 2010, 09:06:33 AM »

Quote from: Pat/Rick on August 02, 2010, 08:46:14 AM

I don't condone nor approve of the pvts actions but, he did let the US know truth(?) from the info. Is he really anymore of a criminal than members of a corrupt gov't that pay off a bankers extortion of a nation. Anymore criminal than the export of jobs to develop other nations while letting their own fall into financial disrepair. Anymore than a gov't who looks the other way of its own laws, that enables criminal foreigners the right to gain assistance, both financial and social, from its coffers. Anymore than a gov't who looks the other way when a candidates Constitutional eligibility is at question. Anymore than a gov't that is willing to limit not only God given rights, but Constitutional rights of its nations citizens. Anymore than a gov't requiring passports for her own citizens to enter their nation but excusing criminal drug dealers. Anymore than a gov't who prosecutes Border Patrol Agents for shooting a criminal in the ass,(Ramos and Compeon). Patrick 72-76,US Army 11B2P

Very good points made. I say jail or deport them all ! (but what do I know)

beerbelly · « **Reply #50 on:** August 02, 2010, 03:49:37 PM »

I know a USA hater when I see one! That is you! We have the nukes to turn that part of the world into glass, and we should do it.
Beerbelly

saddlebum · « **Reply #51 on:** August 03, 2010, 07:03:50 AM »

There should be stricter controls/rules on usage of computers by mental patients. Some people are taking patients rights way too far in allowing seriously deranged conspiracy theorist to comunicate with the outside world. Studies have shown that the mental patients only get worse and the outside world doesn't benifit from the ravings of a madman......JMO

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #52 on:** August 03, 2010, 10:08:56 AM »

saddlebum , then alot of sites would offer no entertainment