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Offline vincewarde

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Big, big problem
« on: July 30, 2010, 06:24:11 PM »
This week I decided to work up a load for my .243 Win barrel (the actual factory barrel for this frame) - so I loaded up some test rounds starting at 10% below the listed maximum.  When I fired the lightest load the action remained shut - but I had to use a lot of force on the release to open it.  After getting it open, the latch shelf remained in the open position.  Something was very wrong.  So for the first time I pulled the innards out of the frame.  Nothing is obviously bent, which causes me to wonder if the frame itself is damaged.

The round ejected fine and the primer as not cratered - so it may have not been a pressure issue.

Has anyone else ever encountered this problem?  Any thoughts from all of you handi experts?

BTW - I am VERY glad I started at 10% below maximum!  
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Re: Big, big problem
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2010, 07:33:20 PM »
Sounds like a broken latch or trigger guard(spring pocket), it's not uncommon, how's the latch spring look?

Tim
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Re: Big, big problem
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2010, 01:55:20 AM »
i've seen this happen when using a fire-formed case from a different gun.
if you FLS, and just can't get it all the way down to the rim. might need to bump it up a lil
have you tried new brass ?

tim's pointing you in the right direction !!!
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Re: Big, big problem
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2010, 05:33:16 PM »
Quote from: quickdtoo on July 30, 2010, 07:33:20 PM
Sounds like a broken latch or trigger guard(spring pocket), it's not uncommon, how's the latch spring look?

Tim

Thanks for the prompt reply!

This is the first time I have taken a frame apart and in addition to feeling like I have taken a Swiss watch apart with no idea how to put it back together, I have no idea how the springs are supposed to look.  The spring pocket looks OK.  There is no obvious damage to any of the internal parts, but again I don't know for sure what they should look like either.

I'll try to find some photos or diagrams to compare against.

Thanks again!
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Re: Big, big problem
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2010, 05:34:33 PM »
Quote from: gendoc on July 31, 2010, 01:55:20 AM
i've seen this happen when using a fire-formed case from a different gun.
if you FLS, and just can't get it all the way down to the rim. might need to bump it up a lil
have you tried new brass ?

tim's pointing you in the right direction !!!

It actually was brand new brass :)
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Re: Big, big problem
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2010, 05:34:47 PM »
Download Perklo's trigger hone info, it will take you thru the entire process.

Tim

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Re: Big, big problem
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2010, 05:46:56 PM »
Quote from: quickdtoo on July 31, 2010, 05:34:47 PM
Download Perklo's trigger hone info, it will take you thru the entire process.

Tim

www.perkloafm.com

Wow - it hasn't been 5 minutes since I posted and you already have answered!  I thought there was info out there somewhere :)

Thanks!
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Re: Big, big problem
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2010, 08:34:05 PM »
I think I may have found the problem.  the "barrel catch" is fractured in the stepped area near the pivot point.  The center step appears to have broken off.  Does this sound like it could be the problem?  Is this a common failure point? Where is the best place to get a replacement?

Thanks!

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Re: Big, big problem
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2010, 08:51:14 PM »
The catch, or latch as we call it, is a factory only part which needs to be fitted, but you may be able to talk to them and get one sent to you, part number is in the owner's manual. Numrich may have one, and sometimes they're available on gunbroker.

Tim

http://www.hr1871.com/documents/manuals/new/Handi-Rifle.pdf
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Re: Big, big problem
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2010, 08:57:21 PM »
Numrich list it for the Pardner, H&R lists the same part number for both the Handi and the Pardner, S02042.

Tim

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Re: Big, big problem
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2010, 10:11:37 AM »
I think I will probably send the frame off for repair and have a new barrel or two fitted at the same time.  With all of the extra costs of buying a firearm here in California, it still makes sense to have barrels fitted even with the higher costs since Remington took over.

My biggest unresolved question is: Did the part fail because of high pressure, or did it fail as a result of "normal" wear and tear?  The load was 37 grains of IMR 4895 under an 80gr Win PSP.  I have used nearly that much powder under a 100 gr bullet.  What do all of you knowledgeable handi folks think?

Thanks!
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Re: Big, big problem
« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2010, 10:25:16 AM »
As I stated before, broken latches(catch) aren't uncommon, there have been quite a few reported, probably just bad castings. Current latches looks to be made of a different material, or treated(finished) different, they aren't bright like older versions, hopefully it's one of the improvement H&R made since they moved to Ilion.  ;)

Tim
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Re: Big, big problem
« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2010, 11:59:48 AM »
It has happened, kind of like a lightning strike, so not likely to get you again. Fix it and have fun. While 'they' have it see if you can get a trigger job thown in, they have done so for others.
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