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Bug out vehicle?
« on: July 30, 2010, 08:17:59 PM »
Scenario:
   A SHTF situation is eminent, you must load up the family, gather your essential goods and flee to a more remote area. Let's say less than one tank of fuel will get you there, no refueling along the way needed.  You have done your research, mapping, pre-crisis recon, etc,  and feel like your chances are better by relocating to this more remote/safer location. What kind of vehicle would you feel most practical and dependable over a wide range of possible SHTF scenarios? Any particular (realistic) features you would want this vehicle to have?

I'm not looking for "Abrams Tank" type answers here. But something that wouldn't be unrealistic for any one of us to have in the driveway.

And yes, many of you/us will stay at home. But this is a what if, so please use your imagination, practically.
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Re: Bug out vehicle?
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2010, 01:44:11 AM »
I plan on using my 2001 Toyota Echo it gets 40+mpg.
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Re: Bug out vehicle?
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2010, 03:45:19 AM »
I am pretty set where I am.  I think traveling during an emergency is a mistake, unless you have no choice, as your resources are limited to what you can carry with you.   You are also exposing yourself to the chance of being robbed or worse.

That said, if I had to go, I'd use the rig in the pic.  Packed full of gear, food, and the dog, its a good traveling shelter without the mobility issues of trying to tow a trailer off road, or thru congested traffic.

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Re: Bug out vehicle?
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2010, 05:56:25 AM »
Small and dependable are what I think would be the operative words.  The Honda CRV has alot going for it.....very good mpg; alot of room with seats down; very dependable; affordable to buy (pre-SHTF); and even the 2-wheel drive is hard to beat.  I also like the plethora of 'hidey places' within the vehicle (store a great deal of stuff out of sight).  The perfect vehicle - NO, but very good at coming close.

I am going to say something now that many may not like!  Great numbers of writers on these sites, forums or questions do not know what they are talking about.  They are intellectually dishonest and have not thought out the scenarios in reality: (lugging around a boatload of guns and ammo - that will get old real fast!  Have you ever walked in the woods for three days carrying JUST your 6 lb. rifle loaded - never mind the caliber?  It gets to be heavier everyday....do any of them shoot competively and immediately can't wait to remove their holsters and guns - rifles included - after the last shot on the last target?)  In a SHTF day-to-day survival, you will eventually carry only what is needed.  You will avoid confrontations and gunfights at all costs.  The .22 and 12 gauge will be your best and only needed option for armament.  The Hummer may be nifty, but where are you going to get fuel for it?  One thing that EVERYBODY misses, and I mean everybody, is stocking up on simple OTC meds.  Aspirin, tylenol, aleve, bag baum, neosporin, etc. require no perscriptions but may alleviate hours of pain and help significantly during recuperation; literally stuff that you can buy now.....sorry for hijacking the post.
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Re: Bug out vehicle?
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2010, 07:55:22 AM »
A mechanically injected diesel pick up truck. It should be EMP proof, a dead battery should not hold you back too long, not as picky about fuel quality. Find an older bread truck it'll have what I'm talking about plus lots of storage. Have good tires on the thing, depending on your location and such the streets may have obstacales, debris or just snow.

If you are never driving the thing hook a trickle charger to the battery and keep her plugged in. Put an algicide into the fuel and have a few exta fuel filters available and know how to change them, and prime the fuel pump by yourself, at night, in freezing rain, and 50 mph wind.

Second choice would be a Crown Vic with the cop car look. Wider tires, black grill and wheels, no chrome, maybe white like a fridge. They are pretty rugged, can haul a fair amount of stuff, seating for five, and might keep a miscreant from aproaching for a few seconds. A couple peel and stick #s on the front and rear bumper maybe a letter or two to give it that fleet car look as well. Throw on one of those safety vests, and an I'm having a really crappy day looks, your golden.
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Re: Bug out vehicle?
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2010, 08:54:11 AM »
Let's just say, for the sake of not having to write a novel to explain, that my home location is not my ideal stronghold for long term security and/or survival. So if possible, a move early on would be the better choice if it were deemed safer at that time than remaining where I am. Sure, lot's of variables play a role in the decision to stay or bug out. But let's just say I needed to, and that decision was made in the infant hours of a SHTF event (where you just know things are going to go south in a hurry).

Me:
  Currently at my home, we have
 an '04 Nissan Xterra 2wd (wife's),
 my '71 Chevy C10 p/u (restored),
 an '05 F150 (my company truck),
 an '85 3/4ton 4x4 suburban (being restored and customized now).

 Assuming all of these are in great operating condition, and stay that way.

  I am going off the deep end, so my wife says, with the suburban project. I am building it to be my hunting and fishing vehicle. It's not comletely finished at this time, but will be in very short order. While any one of these will get me and my family to a safe point within a range of around 250miles on one tank of fuel (some obviously much farther), they all, IMO, are not all well suited to the task. Well, some better than others. The Xterra is an obvious good choice. But experience vacationing with it tells me it's cargo room is fairly limited when coupled with passengers. not that I'm looking to make a wholesale "move" to the BOL, but likely needing to transport a good amount of gear and my family (3 of us total). It would get the most consideration of the newer vehicles. The '71 is only a single cab, as is my work truck, so while either of these would suffice for carrying lots of gear and supplies, neither are my primary choices due to said gear being exposed and passenger room being extremely limited. This leads back to my burb.

Sure, it's a much larger vehicle, giving it a huge potential for being a target, but the upside is gobs of interior room for any combination of people and goods. Much stronger/tougher vehicle than any other I own, with the possible exception of my '71. The best off-road capability of anything I presently have. With the exception of the 4wd drive components, the mechanical aspects of this vehicle are very basic and I am intimately familiar with them all, as opposed to the newer vehicles which are a complete freakin mystery under the hood. And even if familiarity is there, the overall practicality of working on a newer vehicle in a hurried situation is a nightmare. . Then there's the fact that my '71 has the same basic motor and trans package as my burb. So a quick strip of a few key parts (carb, distributor, etc) would yield me the ability to make some minor to major repairs in short order, should the need arise.  I also keep a good stock of repair parts in my shop (emp scenario covered here), of which most are adaptable for either vehicle.

So, after writing y'all a novel, my choice is my "war wagon" (as we have affectionately named it), the Burb. It has everything  that would make me comfortable in choosing a vehicle for such a task. Long(ish) range with it's 41 gallon fuel tank. Basic and reliable mechanical/electrical systems. More than adequate room for passengers and/or gear storage. The best off road capability. Hands down it is the most intimidating looking vehicle rolling down the road. And all that in a package that's physically no larger than any other full size pick-up, excepting the fact that it's lifted with oversize tires. And you bet, if i felt extremely confident or knew there would be no security risk involved in traveling, the wife's Xterra would be along as well. But it would get left in the dust in favor of the burb if such a decision had to be made.

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Re: Bug out vehicle?
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2010, 06:02:31 PM »
Probably my 2002 Silverado 4x4 Ext. Cab.  Seats 6 (there are 5 of us), I get about 400 miles on a tank with mixed city/hwy driving, off road capability.  Basic work truck, no power option, so there's nothing to break.  Chevy, like a rock, beat on it all day and never notice.


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Re: Bug out vehicle?
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2010, 04:20:52 AM »
dont forget to add the family bicycles to the vehicle, for when fuel runs out.   

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« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2010, 05:55:36 AM »
Living in and area where I have to bug out frequently and the gas pumps are down for days at a time, I have to say I don't see many good choices above.
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Re: Bug out vehicle?
« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2010, 06:19:43 AM »
I guess it all depends on where you end up having to go.  You're not taking the Echo down in the creek bottoms and across the river, if need be.  You're Echo has what, an 11 gallon tank?  At 40 miles to the gallon, that's 440 miles on a tank.  A bit of a difference, but not enough for me to worry about.  I'll take the power and capability of my truck all day long over an extra 40 miles of gas.

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« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2010, 06:22:42 AM »
If you can't go on foot (and carry everthing you need) you're wasting your time even leaving the house.
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« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2010, 06:58:53 AM »
So why are you taking the Echo?  Oh, well, I guess you can carry that.   ;D

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« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2010, 08:34:49 AM »
Because it's an hour to where I'm going by car and it's 24 on foot.  Either way I'm carring the same stuff.
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Re: Bug out vehicle?
« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2010, 10:58:06 AM »
I'm not planning to bug out.
But if I have to go somewhere on one fill up, my old Dodge 2500 will go 1300 miles with both tanks full of diesel.

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Re: Bug out vehicle?
« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2010, 01:43:50 PM »
I don't really grasp this concept of "bugging out". Why would you live somewhere you have to leave on a regular basis due to natural disasters you KNOW are coming just not when? To me the whole concept smacks of piss poor planning on your part to live in such a zone.

I'm in an area where no such disasters have ever occurred. The worse we have here are an occasional tornado and you don't bug out for one of those ya hunker down and wait 30 seconds to see if it got ya or didn't. To my knowledge one has never passed closer than a mile or two of where I now live. They always seem to take more or less similar paths and we're not in those paths so even that isn't very likely here.

I'm high enough it will never flood unless GOD decides it's time to flood the earth again. Even if the polar ice caps melt I'll still be above water level. I'm not in a city and not that close to any really large cities. The closest is a college town  and the college has more students than the town had regular residents most likely. That's ten miles or so away and the two larger towns of perhaps 30,000 or so are double that or more from me.

I just don't see me leaving my home for any natural or unnatural disaster like you folks always talk about bugging out because of. I think perhaps you need to assess where you live and why you live there and why you think  yer gonna hafta leave. The best preparation is not being where you will have to leave in the first place in my opinion.

But for sake of the arguement my Toyota Sequoia is a huge vehicle with lots of power  (382 hp I think), lots of room and gets decent gas mileage. It has averaged 16.9 for all gas put into it since I bought it a couple years ago. It's 4x4 so if need be can go places where no 4x2 can travel. On the road it easily tops 20mpg and has a huge tank on it. It's what I'll take any time I leave home for whatever the reason I go.

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Wrong not everyone. I have a goody stock of all such and keep on hand the largest supply of prescription meds we take as the insurance company will allow. Most of mine are bought in 90 day increments and they let me order in about 75 days or so of last buy so I've managed to build up a fair supply of those as well and yeah I use FIFO not FISH inventory method.

I suppose such exercises as this are good for folks who intentionally live in harms way in hurricane zones and such but proper initial planning to not be in such a zone in the first place beats the heck outta boarding up and leaving home a few times a year. Sorry but living in such a place doesn't compute with me.


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« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2010, 02:35:49 PM »
I think Myronman has it. If things ever get 'real', figuring out how to keep tires and tubes on bicycles is going to be WAY more important than worrying about which 10 m.p.g. monster macho truck to dote upon. Those are all going to be junk (or planters at the most). Having said that, I'm in a situation where staying put makes the most sense, which is why I live where I do...

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« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2010, 02:42:37 PM »
I have 2 mountain bikes and a rack for the Echo.  After 2 days with no gas things really go to crap.
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« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2010, 02:51:27 PM »
Swampman, do you have a cargo trailer for one of those bicycles?
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« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2010, 03:07:07 PM »
I've been looking for one of those trailers you pull kids in to convert for cargo.  I see them at the Waterfront Misson and Salvation Army from time to time.
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« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2010, 04:00:24 PM »
Good thinking!

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My Dad was in WW2 and was telling me once about Belgians fleeing the Germans (for the second time) during the Bulge and all the crazy stuff they were using like baby buggies and wheelbarrows to move what they could grab and get away. Kind of like August 1914... Seems to me a bike and a hi-tech trailer like you are talking about or one of those folding aluminum garden carts would be todays better equivlalent.... just sayin...

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« Reply #20 on: August 02, 2010, 04:39:58 AM »
check craigslist in your area; it can be a great place to find used stuff for cheap. 

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« Reply #21 on: August 02, 2010, 04:49:10 AM »
45 hp diesel compact tractor with trl. 4wd , front end loader . 50 gal storage tank in trl. for extra fuel.
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« Reply #22 on: August 02, 2010, 09:33:21 AM »
You won't get there fast, but you'll be able to go where ever you want go, for sure. 

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« Reply #23 on: August 02, 2010, 10:46:20 AM »
Easy now down hill she might break 12 mph.
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« Reply #24 on: August 02, 2010, 11:04:12 AM »
If Swampman can get 440 miles on a tank, a truck with an extra fuel tank might do the same.  Or have a 55 gallon drum of fuel in the bed of the truck for additional miles.  If you had to "bug out" I don't think I would drive over a day's drive away.  Also, using back roads might be a must to avoid heavy traffic.  Having good maps or a GPS system that works would help.  GPS could go down. 

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« Reply #25 on: August 02, 2010, 11:29:08 AM »
My old 1993 F150 4x4 Ext. Cab with 5.0 got 20 mpg on the highway on the front tank, and 16mpg on the rear tank.  Front tank was 18.7 gallons and the rear was 16.8, I believe.  So that would be around 642 miles with that truck.  Too bad I don't have it now, but I really needed the doors on the ext cab for the kids.

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« Reply #26 on: August 02, 2010, 01:13:09 PM »
For bikes, use airfree tires.  From what I have read, they are not as comfortable as air tires, but you don't have to worry about flats.  Maybe have a spare set of tires.  The North Vietnamise used bicycles loaded with about 200 lbs of gear and pushed them via the Ho-Chi-Minh trail to South Vietnam.  They rode them back north and reloaded.  Even if you have to push a bike, you can carry a lot to your destination, then unload it to ride.  Best thing to do is have a small farm in the country to go to.  Dig underground shelters for supplies and living quarters.  Old containers used by the shipping industry coated with tar and felt paper several times and burried with only the end to open would make a good retreat.  They are usually 8' wide x 10' high x 35-40' long.  I want to build a semi-underground home for shelter when I retire.  3' of earth over it will make for 60 degrees year round inside (in Alabama, deeper in more northern climates).  Lights, body heat, cooking, showering, TV's ect will add heat.  I know of someone who built a semi-underground home.  Didn't need heat until the temperature got to 10 degrees outside.  It was 60 inside and his wife was cold, so he built a fire in his fireplace.  The entire living-dining room had one side open to the outside.  All bedrooms, bathrooms, and utility room were in the rear with no windows.  He did need to add air condition when the heat got to the upper 90's.  He said the inside was 85.  His wife was hot, so he added air conditioning.  His goal was to use solar water heating and have some solar panels to charge batteries for a 12 volt inside wiring system like in an RV.  He wanted to get off the grid. 

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« Reply #27 on: August 02, 2010, 04:34:41 PM »
Looking at it in my driveway right now. 2010 Hummer I've owned 3 of them and they are awesome.Too bad GM killed the brand >:( >:( :'(

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« Reply #28 on: August 03, 2010, 03:51:35 AM »
It all depends....I have always owned a landrover, had a couple of Toyota landcruisers as well but always had a landie - currently I have two...an old 1964 Sieries II that is under powdered and often needs some mechanical tinkering but will run (and has during the worst of the Zimbabwe fuel chrisis) on transformer oil, bio diesel, Jet A1 etc. For 20 years she ran on illuminating paraffin (lamp kerosine to the yanks)..becuase it was sold at 1/3 of the price of diesel at the fuel stations...ad 0,5% oil to the parrafin and 700,000 miles with no problems...and still haven't opened the engine!

Currrent hunting truck is a Defender 110. Much higher maintainence machine. Every 3000 miles at least one bushing on the suspension needs changing, it will run on some substitute deisel fuels as I have fitted an extra filter and water trap etc...It's main advantage over the old 'anti christ' Series II and all Landcruisers is...it never gets stuck. A cruiser needs a winch- just because it is 4x4 doesn't mean it will go every where. The other advantage is 1000 + miles on internal fuel...loaded and towing a trailer. The perminant 4 wheel drive and centre diff lock make a big difference...but gee is the back small compared to a cruiser (or ford F250)

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« Reply #29 on: August 03, 2010, 06:59:55 AM »
If you can't go on foot (and carry everthing you need) you're wasting your time even leaving the house.


Bingo, we have a winner!

If things get bad enough that people are bugging out, the first thing that will happen is the roads turn into very long parking lots. After the first shock, nobody's going anywhere in the traffic jam. Gas stations will be overun by panicked yuppys trying to fill thier minivans.

Some years ago, our niece tried to evacuate Houston when a big hurricane was coming and they said it was going to be like Katrina. In 5 hours she made 23 miles, used a great deal of gas idling in traffic, and then said the hell with with it. She turned around and in a short time was back at home, and rode it out there. Her little Ford Focus actually did better than many big trucks as she could go around and squeezy by stalled vehicles.

If you cana't fit it in a backpack, or on bicycle paniers, don't bother trying to bug out. Of course this is why most people need a truck, they have so much stuff that they can't bring themselves to abondon. Like 40 guns and reloading gear.

Unless you consider doing a serious downsizing of your materialisitc possesions, forget abut bugging out. Most people are gear hogs, and won't be aboe to move. The guy with the Echo or bicycles will get the farthest.
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