Author Topic: National Geographic (Read 1006 times)

Sourdough · « **on:** August 03, 2010, 08:23:11 AM »

Anyone seen this months National Geographic? They have a short article (about half a page) in there about the Coyotes and their movement east. Then how they have been cross breeding with the Wolves in the areas. The result is a Hybrid called the Coywolf. It is bigger and has a larger skull with stronger muscles. It is a more aggressive animal and has the capability to take down Deer, that the Western Coyote can not do. There is a map of it's current distribution area, shows the highest concentration up in Eastern Canada. The area between the St Laurance and our Northern States. But there is already reports of Hybrids coming from states like Tennessee, Missouri, Iowa, and North Carolina.

From other books I have read, and reports I am hearing from biologist, in other states. There is reports of Children and Pets being targeted by Coyotes, through out the East. A few years ago a child was grabbed by a Coyote while riding a Big Wheel trike on a bike path. As the Coyote was dragging the child towards the wooded area the father grabbed a stick and beat the Coyote off, chasing it back into the woods. This happened on Elmendorf AFB here in Alaska. But if Coyotes here in Alaska can do that so can the ones in the Eastern States. Especially this new Hybrid.

SDS-GEN · « **Reply #1 on:** August 03, 2010, 09:39:00 AM »

In the past two years I've shot a 52 and 54lb coyote in Illinois. I don't believe they had cross bred with anything, wolves included. But they could have killed a deer no problem.

I cancelled my subscription to National Geographic, they have become way too liberal.

Dee · « **Reply #2 on:** August 03, 2010, 10:07:12 AM »

I don't know if you guys saw the one I killed last winter, but it was better than 70 lbs. Biggest one I have ever seen in my 60 years. It was on a calf when I killed it. I have an 8x10 somewhere of it. I'll try to find it and scan it in.

Here ya go. Click to enlarge. The angle was not good, but the cattleman that owned the calf and had called me in is in his 70s and raised there. He said he had never seen one that big, and it showed no dog inbreeding traits. I watched him run other dog coyotes off the kill.

45454 · « **Reply #3 on:** August 03, 2010, 11:18:09 AM »

Dee,that sure is a healthy one !

Now taking an eternal dirt nap.
Good shooting.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #4 on:** August 03, 2010, 11:23:34 AM »

nice !

gstewart44 · « **Reply #5 on:** August 03, 2010, 11:55:07 AM »

We cleared most of them out of our lease in South Jawja a few years ago. They all weighed over 50 lbs, the largest over 60lbs. Saw this past spring during turkey season that they have returned and have dropped pups all over the place. Don't know how many are gonna grow up but I have counted 5 different litters with 3-4 pups each. Best get my 223 Handi sighted in.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #6 on:** August 03, 2010, 12:20:58 PM »

Were any of these 50, 60, or 70 pond Coyotes weighed on a calibrated scale?

Spirithawk · « **Reply #7 on:** August 03, 2010, 12:42:22 PM »

My son patrols Branson and the surounding area at night. He's been telling me he's seeing, not just many more Coyotes, but bigger ones as well. He showed me a pic he took of a pretty good sized one. I read on MSN recently where a woman folk singer in Canada was mauled by two Coyotes while hiking. She died the next day. I live outside Branson and when we first bought the place we were seeing large Coyotes with dog traights and coloring. They were agressive and showed no fear of us at all. A neighbor insisted they had bred with a Malamute. All I know was we saw several with white tipped tails and Malamute like masks. My son and I shot three that looked like that and all were in the 60 - 70lb class. We've noticed that both deer and turkey numbers are down and am thinking it's time to get out the .243's!

Sourdough · « **Reply #8 on:** August 03, 2010, 05:23:49 PM »

Back in the 60s US Fish and Wildlife turned Red Wolves loose in Tennessee and Kentucky. I have heard they also turned them loose in other states as well. These Red Wolves are the smallest of the Wolf breeds. A cross would be larger than western Coyotes and they would have some times have a reddish cast to their coats. I have shot several Red Coyotes in Smith and Jackson counties in Middle Tennessee. Have seen some in Sumner County which is near Nashville. Other than size and sometimes color there is no differance between them and the western versions. Can just about guarentee that those big Coyotes you guys are shooting, if you had DNA testing done you would find the are Hybrids. Either Coywolfs, or Coydogs.

gstewart44 · « **Reply #9 on:** August 03, 2010, 05:37:21 PM »

Quote from: billy_56081 on August 03, 2010, 12:20:58 PM

Were any of these 50, 60, or 70 pond Coyotes weighed on a calibrated scale?

all were brought back to camp and weighed on the hanging scale we use for deer and hogs.

Dee · « **Reply #10 on:** August 03, 2010, 06:20:46 PM »

I took mine to the Guinness Book of World Records Center, in Guinness, Texas and had it weighed.

Sourdough · « **Reply #11 on:** August 03, 2010, 06:26:10 PM »

Hay guys I just got this off the Preditor Hunting forum. Check it out, it's about kids and Coyotes.

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,210585.0.html

billy_56081 · « **Reply #12 on:** August 03, 2010, 07:45:20 PM »

Quote from: Dee on August 03, 2010, 06:20:46 PM

I took mine to the Guinness Book of World Records Center, in Guinness, Texas and had it weighed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coyote

So it was darn near the record huh? I'm sorry I have probably shot more coyotes than most of the people here, and I say you are full of BS if you claim to be shooting coyotes in the 60 to 70 lb range. A 50 lb one is a huge coyote, and the colder the climate the larger the animal.

I you aint weighed em on a calibrated scale your weight is nothing but wind.

SDS-GEN · « **Reply #13 on:** August 10, 2010, 06:54:33 AM »

I weigh mine on a dial scale. Its not certified by the NISA. I check it with a 40lb weight and it seems to be accurate. Even if the scales are off by 5% those are some big dogs.

Dee · « **Reply #14 on:** August 10, 2010, 07:07:46 AM »

Well SDS-GEN, there are many ways to guess the approximate weight of a coyote, or any other critter, but most of the time it's an approximate guess. This is, and was a conversation between guys talkin about individual coyotes that were unusually large, not coyotes in general. There is always some jackass that wants to put his two cents worth in, and try to start an arguement, while insulting others with his rudness, over something as trivial as the weight of a coyote. He does it cause he is what he is, and can't help himself. I wouldn't worry too much about the precise accuracy of a scale to weigh a coyote. It is after all, just a coyote.

SDS-GEN · « **Reply #15 on:** August 10, 2010, 07:25:08 AM »

I hear ya Dee, talk is cheapest on the internet. I also understand that there are many stories about big fish that got away.

Dee · « **Reply #16 on:** August 10, 2010, 07:36:15 AM »

Yes it is, and yes there is. It is much like claiming to be more experienced at something, with no clue as to the others being addressed, and their experience.

Ecclesiastes Chapter 10 verse 3.

MGMorden · « **Reply #17 on:** August 10, 2010, 10:59:58 AM »

Don't know about them getting bigger, but we've certainly been getting more of them around here lately (that and wild hogs - those things are breeding like rabbits).

From my understanding a lot of them came from people around here foolishly getting them to put into fox pens. A lot of dog hunting enthusiasts around here would test their dogs and compete with others based on running foxes in a pen. After a while the pen owners figured out that coyotes had more stamina and would run longer than a fox, and so they started importing them to put into the pens. Naturally some of them get out, and we've now to a serious coyote problem.

Not much you can do I suppose other than shoot them on sight. I does aggravate me though. I've got 2 nieces right around 2 years old. They're always supervised when out in the yard, but both of them live in areas butting against the woods (my brother's house it right in the middle of the woods - he's got coyotes on his deer camera and his stand isn't barely 100 yards from his house).

Dee · « **Reply #18 on:** August 10, 2010, 11:21:43 AM »

That's the way they are here MGMorden. There have been coyotes here since time began I suppose, but not many folks hunt them anymore. I started calling coyotes in 1970, and was hunting them before that, and have watched their habitat, and their habits change somewhat. I would also imagine that in the last 20 years with all the wanna be country folks movin to the country that the coyotes have occasionally crossed with some big farm or feral dogs as they occasionally show some signs in one or two.
The one I have posted in the pic, is the biggest I have ever seen, and the 75 year old cattleman that donated a calf to him, said he had never seen one that big, or that fat. They have learned to hunt differently, and they eat better around here than they used to. I guess it's like people. People are taller, and heavier now than they were even in the early 40s, and especially in the 19th century due to a better, more reliable diet. I guess it's no different for coyotes.
The coyote I posted in the pic had been comin into his calvin barn at night and killing newborns, or orphans right in the barn when he could get in. When he died the barn killing stopped. When it starts again the cattleman will call me again.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #19 on:** August 10, 2010, 05:08:52 PM »

I'd still like to see a certified 70 lb coyote. Dang Dan that old boy was darn near the world record.

Hey is this the same as you claimed yourself in WE TEXANS voting in Ron Paul? Ya musta moved to the gulf coast now huh? I'm sorry I have to call your story of a 70 lb coyote "which you admittedly didn't weigh" BS!

Dee · « **Reply #20 on:** August 10, 2010, 05:27:28 PM »

Quote from: billy_56081 on August 10, 2010, 05:08:52 PM

I'd still like to see a certified 70 lb coyote. Dang Dan that old boy was darn near the world record. Hey is this the same as you claimed yourself in WE TEXANS voting in Ron Paul? Ya musta moved to the gulf coast now huh? I'm sorry I have to call your story of a 70 lb coyote "which you admittedly didn't weigh" BS!

Proverbs Chapter 18, verse 6. A fools lips enter into contention, and his mouth calleth for strokes.

CannonKrazy · « **Reply #21 on:** August 10, 2010, 05:44:34 PM »

Dang fellers, I read the title "National Geographic" and thought for sure this was another Obama and family pictorial edition.

Guess I better read a little more next time instead of look for pictures.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #22 on:** August 10, 2010, 05:45:48 PM »

Coyotes typically grow up to 30–34 in (76–86 cm) in length, not counting a tail of 12–16 in (30–41 cm), stand about 23–26 in (58–66 cm) at the shoulder and, on average, weigh from 15–46 lb (6.8–21 kg) .[5][12] Northern coyotes are typically larger than southern subspecies, with the largest coyotes on record weighing 74¾ pounds (33.7 kg) and measuring over five feet in total length.[13]

Dan you been up in yankee land shooting thos 70 lb coyotes?

come on up to Minnesota Dan and I'll get ya on some real big coyotes, no not a "70 pounder" like you shoot in Texas, but some good honestly weighed ones in the 40 lb range and maybe if we get real lucky and kill an old boy that has worn teeth he just might make 50lbs. Come tell the boys here about your big ole 70 lb Texas yote, we love to laugh. Heck you might even get the heat off of old Jarad who got bit by a wounded one a couple of years ago.

Dee · « **Reply #23 on:** August 10, 2010, 05:56:46 PM »

Only you can try to turn a discussion into insults and an argument. Why don't you go and play. I don't want anything to do with you, and have make that clear, as I believe you to be an idiot. You continue to stalk me like a little pervert, and have nothing but contention in your little bald head. Leave me alone willy, or I will complain to the powers that be. I have been tolerant and you still insist on your contentious idiocy. This is all your going to get from me you little weirdo, next stop will be GB.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #24 on:** August 10, 2010, 06:10:46 PM »

Well Dan the invitation is open. I am sorry if I do not believe you about your "70 lb coyote". I am sure you will dispute it, but the further North an animal lives, the larger the body size. It has to do with efficiency in cold weather. Simple scientific fact! You are claiming to have shot a 70 lb coyote in North Texas, when the largest coyote weighed weighed in at just a hair under 75 lbs. Yes I think you are BSing I am sure everyone here thinks you are exagerating. I can guarentee you I spend every available weekend hunting coyotes here in Minnesota in the winter. I have shot a pile of them and the numbers shot by the people I hunt with number in the thousands over the years. I have heard all these stories of huge coyotes "as big as a german sheperd" from the locals. NONE weighed in over 52 lbs when weighed. We did have an old boy up by Lake Crystal MN who shot what he thought was a record "coyote", it did weigh in at around 75 lbs, but it was a bitch timber wolf. The DNR did not charge him as we are far out of wolf territory and it was an honest mistake.

wreckhog · « **Reply #25 on:** August 10, 2010, 06:36:44 PM »

There has been a February Federation of Sportsmen's Clubs of Sullivan County coyote hunt for the last 3 years. $2,000 top prize. Last year, a 46lber won. This year, the winner was 70lbs. However the guy that won it was the guy who was running the contest. Supposedly, they check a lot more than weight with that money out there. I dunno how kosher that was, but lets just say that there were 1040 guys entered, many of whom went to the dinner, presentation afterwards, which means at least 100 eyes on the beast.

http://forum.sullivansline.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=print_topic;f=1;t=005496

http://www.sportfishermen.com/board/f130/huge-yote-761435.html

http://www.predatormastersforums.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=331483&page=67