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Shorty 30-06?
« on: August 04, 2010, 05:21:54 AM »
Hi All,

Traded for a 270 win barrel and it is more accurate than my 22" 30-06 H&R.  I also have a 26" 30-06 bolt gun, so I am contemplating a 18 1/2" 30-06.  It would keep my 357 Max Talo Trapper & 18 1/2 45/70 company.  I am thinking if I go this route to work up cast lead gas check bullets in the 220 to 250 grain range.  Any thoughts on this chop job?

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Re: Shorty 30-06?
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2010, 05:50:00 AM »
Why not?  Cast bullets work great in the .30-06.  Try the Lyman 311299.
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Re: Shorty 30-06?
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2010, 06:09:59 AM »
Why not? Reminds me of my Rem M760 30-06 carbine, great little gun, killed a lot of deer and few elk with it.  ;)

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Re: Shorty 30-06?
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2010, 06:21:55 AM »
If Tim & Dennis are on board I think it is time to put a new blade on my hacksaw! ;D 

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Re: Shorty 30-06?
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2010, 08:27:18 AM »
It's a funny thing, but most folks tout the .30-06 as the ultimate all round rifle.  I very seldom use mine.  Mostly it sits around collecting moss.  I haven't reloaded for it yet, and ammo is expensive.  I also haven't seen that it can do more than the other rifles I own, in their own perspective.

I thought, perhaps I'm wrong, the '06 along with the .260, 270, .280 wanted a 24 to 26 inch barrel. ??? ???

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Re: Shorty 30-06?
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2010, 09:39:31 AM »
Quote from: petemi on August 04, 2010, 08:27:18 AM
It's a funny thing, but most folks tout the .30-06 as the ultimate all round rifle.  I very seldom use mine.  Mostly it sits around collecting moss.  I haven't reloaded for it yet, and ammo is expensive.  I also haven't seen that it can do more than the other rifles I own, in their own perspective.

I thought, perhaps I'm wrong, the '06 along with the .260, 270, .280 wanted a 24 to 26 inch barrel. ??? ???

Pete

You're righ5t about a lot of that, Pete, but in my experience, the .30-06 is a more balanced cartridge and doesn't really need a lot of barrel.  My '06 has a 22 inch barrel and shoots 168 grain bullets to about 2800 fps, which is plenty good medicine for lots of stuff.  My son's Model 760 carbine has an 18.5 inch barrel and loves 155 grain Hornady A-Max bullets over a stiff charge of RL22.  I've been wanting to try RL19 in that rifle but he likes the old, proven load, so that's what he's using now.

There's no doubt that the .280 and 270 get their best velocity with more barrel, but the .30-06 does fine with a shorter barrel.  On the other hand, it does fine with a longer barrel too.  There's a lot to like in a .30-06.
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Re: Shorty 30-06?
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2010, 02:14:18 PM »
The 30-06 is the best thing to ever wear a headstamp. ;)



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Re: Shorty 30-06?
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2010, 12:45:02 AM »
Quote from: Spanky on August 04, 2010, 02:14:18 PM
The 30-06 is the best thing to ever wear a headstamp. ;)
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Re: Shorty 30-06?
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2010, 12:57:49 AM »
Why is the 30-06 not accurate? If it is a bad crown, then chopping it seems like a fun idea. If it is because it is a "lets just use the reamer one last time before we throw it away" deal, it may not be worth your time. Sounds like a fun rig. I'd go 16.5" just for kicks. Even if you hate it, some shorty fan will buy it.
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Re: Shorty 30-06?
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2010, 01:14:13 AM »
Been a long time but I couldn't get 210 or 220 grain jacketed bullets to group. I didn't try too long because a friend told me they were too long to stabalize well at the speeds that I could push them with the twist of my 700 Rem. It is always fun to try though. eddiegjr
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Re: Shorty 30-06?
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2010, 01:39:43 AM »
Man fellas, all I am hearing is a ear buster....16+' barrel 30-06 :o
I have a 17' 8mm barrel and it is bain buster!






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Re: Shorty 30-06?
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2010, 02:41:21 AM »
There's a guy at the range who shows up with odd things sometimes and he brought a Remington 700, chopped back to 20", standard sporter barrel. He was using the Lyman 311299 and IMR SR 4756 at 1500 fps. The rifle was scoped with a standard 3X9. He shot a five-shot group at 100 yards that measured at 0.759.

I asked him what he was going to do with the load, and he admitted he didn't know.  He just wanted to see if he could make it shoot.  I agreed that he had one heck of a 100 yard target load.
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Re: Shorty 30-06?
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2010, 04:13:49 AM »
Wreck,

My 06 Handi doesn't shot that badly, just not as good as the 270 Win.  Since I already have a 26" 06 bolt gun and the 270 is working well and I want need another shorty and the 06 is the only available candidate I have for the hacksaw.  I have decided on 18.5" barrel length because it leaves 2 1/2" of metal left in case I need to send it out for professional help. ;D  Also, any shorter than 18.5" and it will not fit in my gun rack. ;)

myarmor,

10-4 on the noise, but I doubt it will be as bad as the SKS paratrooper 7.62x39 I used to have.   

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Re: Shorty 30-06?
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2010, 04:33:47 AM »
Quote from: bikerbeans on August 05, 2010, 04:13:49 AM
myarmor,

10-4 on the noise, but I doubt it will be as bad as the SKS paratrooper 7.62x39 I used to have.   

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Yeah Tom, my 16.5 inch .357 Maxi is LOUD.

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Re: Shorty 30-06?
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2010, 06:37:59 AM »
The noise factor made me pucker when I first read this thread but I thought I would wait and see what was said. eddiegjr
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Re: Shorty 30-06?
« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2010, 06:41:33 AM »
Quote from: eddiegjr on August 05, 2010, 01:14:13 AM
Been a long time but I couldn't get 210 or 220 grain jacketed bullets to group. I didn't try too long because a friend told me they were too long to stabalize well at the speeds that I could push them with the twist of my 700 Rem. It is always fun to try though. eddiegjr

Dunno about 210-220gr, but 200gr Nosler Partitions shoot great in my Ultracomp which will give you a taste of the noise of a short barrel!!  :o

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Re: Shorty 30-06?
« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2010, 08:27:36 AM »
Nice group Tim!  BTW, you having money troubles? There are no coins in that photo. ;D

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Re: Shorty 30-06? a few thoughts.........
« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2010, 09:10:47 AM »
Hello,

   I think a short '06 could really be a "handi" rifle. One thing to consider though, the 30/06 is considered a long action cartridge and therefore has a bit longer column of powder than a short action. If you handload, this shorter barrel can be more useful with a faster burning powder. A slower powder may work fine but surely would give no benefit with a max load as the bullet would be out the barell before the charge was fully used. Overall, I think it may work well especially if the gun were to see more use after it is shortened. A 30/06 is truly a versatile round. even if pushed from a pistol. Keep us posted and let us know how it shoots, I may do mine like that as well.
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Re: Shorty 30-06?
« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2010, 09:53:36 AM »
Quote from: bikerbeans on August 04, 2010, 05:21:54 AM
Hi All,

Traded for a 270 win barrel and it is more accurate than my 22" 30-06 H&R.  I also have a 26" 30-06 bolt gun, so I am contemplating a 18 1/2" 30-06.  It would keep my 357 Max Talo Trapper & 18 1/2 45/70 company.  I am thinking if I go this route to work up cast lead gas check bullets in the 220 to 250 grain range.  Any thoughts on this chop job?

thanks

BB

I kind of wonder why you want a rifle that short? I'm not critisizing, just curious. The Handi is already almost 4" shorter than a std bolt gun with the same bbl length. One of the reasons I like the Ruger #1 so well is with a 24" bbl it's shorter than a bolt gun with a 22" bbl. It's your gun & if a short gun makes you happy go for it. I'm just curious.
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PS: I almost forgot, I think the good ole' .30-06 is one of the best cartridges to come down the pike!
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Re: Shorty 30-06?
« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2010, 10:40:42 AM »
Frank, first, I've got to agree with you about the '06 being one of the best to come down the pike, and if I had to limit what I have, it would be included.  It would probably boil down to the '06, the .45-70 and the shortie Maxi.  I think they'd have all bases covered.

Why the shortie?  I just jump in the truck, toss it on the seat next to me and go.  Plenty of room for both of us. ;D  If I've got to shoot out of the truck, the short barrel clears the steering wheel, dash, visors, mirror, etc. easily.....It's just Handi ;)  Being shortened and reamed to Maxi hasn't hurt accuracy with any ammo.

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Re: Shorty 30-06?
« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2010, 10:57:31 AM »
Quote from: bikerbeans on August 05, 2010, 08:27:36 AM
Nice group Tim!  BTW, you having money troubles? There are no coins in that photo. ;D

BB

Thanks, no shortage of money.... any more than normal anyway!  :D 

You said you wanted to shoot 220-250gr gas checked in the 30-06 (I think), biggest I found was 225gr.  ???

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Re: Shorty 30-06?
« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2010, 12:52:47 PM »
The deal be done @ 18 3/8".  Well 90% anyway, I have done a simple recrown but I think I am going to rent a crown tool and put a better finish to the end of the barrel.  Going to the range Saturday  morning and see what happens.  I don't have any GC lead slugs to load yet so will see how it likes Lake City Mil Surp.  ;D  I pulled a bullet from the LC awhile back to weigh it and noticed that these cartridges are loaded 100% density with a fairly fine ball powder.  I am thinking this shorty may start a grass fire if I ain't careful. 

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Re: Shorty 30-06?
« Reply #22 on: August 05, 2010, 01:00:43 PM »
Frank,

This is my third shorty Handi and I like them mostly because of the look and the feel of the gun.  To  me a Handi around 18.5" with the standard adult stock set looks and feels really good.  With that said, my favorite Handi is a 32" 45/120, but I don't plan on carrying it around in the woods.  I know a lot of folks like a shorty handi just above legal length but then IMO you need to do some furniture modifications to keep the gun in proportion.  The reality is most of my shooting is at paper and clay pidgeons at 100 and 200 yards at my club, so a short barrel doesn't really cause me a problem. 

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Re: Shorty 30-06?
« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2010, 02:03:01 PM »
Well, FWIW, my original Winchester '85's were flat muzzles with just the finest 'break' of the bore edge, not the big crowns we see so often nowdays. Go gently and test, it might not need as much as you are 'athinkin'.
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Re: Shorty 30-06?
« Reply #24 on: August 05, 2010, 06:14:20 PM »
Tim, definitely worth the effort.

I love short guns, rifle or shotgun for any application. The only things that stop me are too little weight and too much recoil or too much muzzle blast.

I used them in a work situation where they could ride on my lap as I worked. Fish farming controling levy boreing wire gnawing critters.

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Re: Shorty 30-06?
« Reply #25 on: August 06, 2010, 12:15:56 PM »
Pete, that does sound like a "Handi" rifle. Actually that's one of the reasons for my Handi, a .223 for Jeep use.

Bikerbeans, Thanks, it sounds like it's a good rifle for you & really short & handi.
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Re: Shorty 30-06?
« Reply #26 on: August 07, 2010, 06:04:35 AM »
Not too bad for the first trip to the range and what can only be described as an inferior re-crown.  Anyway, the gun was still on paper (w/o a scope readjustment) at 100 yards after the removal of 3 & 5/8 inch of the barrel.  I had removed the scope to cut the barrel so was about 6 inches low to start out.  Zeroed after 6 shoots.  Let it cool and then shot a 1" group @ 100 yards with 150 grain Hornday FMJBTs over 4064 powder.  Going to fix the crown and find some GC lead to reload.

Was shooting at the range under a roof.  It is a tad bit loud. ;D

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Offline gcrank1

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Re: Shorty 30-06?
« Reply #27 on: August 07, 2010, 07:01:22 AM »
1" @ 100yds......that crown might could use just a tad of polishing, but it sure dont need 'fixin'!
Glad it worked out. You sure aint shy about modifying, are you BB?!
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Re: Shorty 30-06?
« Reply #28 on: August 07, 2010, 07:40:05 AM »
Hawk bullets has a 250 gr RN...plus if you REALLY want on you can have a mold made.  I remember seeing a 260 gr 30 cal somewhere...I think.

I think the main reason for few over 220 gr bullets in 30 cal is if you need a heavier bullet go to a larger caliber.

That a terrible thing to do to a 30-06...chop off its "nose" and turn it into a 308 or less.  Jezzzzzz.  :( >:(  Bad enough in a 45-70.  The things we do all in the name of.....something.  Hahahahahahaha

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Re: Shorty 30-06?
« Reply #29 on: August 07, 2010, 07:52:46 AM »
I now have both a 3.5 inch 30 cal and a 3.5 inch 45 caliber barrel.  I am thinking a little work with a TIG welder, rent a couple of reamers and mate these to my Savage Model 24 frame, add a pistol grip and I will one bad derringer for if I decide to start playing poker. ;D

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Wife's Handis;  300 BLKOUT

MINE:  270W, 308x444, 44 Bodeen, 410 shorty rifled slug gun, 445 SuperMag Shikari, 45 ACP shorty,  45-70 Shikari, 45 Cal Smokeless MZ, 50cal 24" SS Sidekick, 50 cal 24" Huntsman, 50 cal 26" Huntsman, 50 cal 26" Sidekick, 50-70 Govt Shikari, Tracker II 20 ga shorty, 20 ga VR Pardner, 20ga USH, 12ga VR NWTF, 12ga Tracker II shorty WITHOUT scope, 12ga USH, 10 ga  Pardner Smoothbore slug gun & 24ga Profino Custom rifled slug gun.
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