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Re: why don't you own a 30-06?
« Reply #60 on: August 19, 2010, 06:05:48 PM »
get an 06,learn to reload, you really don't need anything else. Course what you need and what you want have always been two different things ;)

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Re: why don't you own a 30-06?
« Reply #61 on: August 19, 2010, 06:35:48 PM »
Reason 1, my safe is full
Reason 2, I need another safe

Actually I have a 30 06, my brother has custody of it(see Reason 1)
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Re: why don't you own a 30-06?
« Reply #62 on: August 20, 2010, 04:48:58 AM »
If you can't shoot a .22 rimfire, you can't shoot period.  However, many hunters often overgun themselves on an expensive hunt because a some shooting editor describes an instant kill with a whiz-bang magnum. Subsequently, they go out and buy a gun because they feel it will kill better than a their standard deer gun (.270 or .30-06),  and as a result they tend to flinch or anticipate the recoil far more than normal.  The recoil and blast from a .300 RUM is much sharper than a .30-06.  

Besides, shooting is all about practice and consistency.  It is harder to become more proficient with a gun where bullets are far more expensive, is shot less than a gun you are familiar with, and has much more blast and recoil.  

... and yes the 06 is at the upper limit of recoil tolerance for most people.  Besides, it is far easier to miss and subsequently wound an animal when you are afraid of the gun and are anticipating the recoil.

Sometimes people will parse hairs on anything to prove a point, and the reasoning is...

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Re: why don't you own a 30-06?
« Reply #63 on: August 20, 2010, 12:16:15 PM »
I know this thread is to tout the virtues of the '06 (which I also think is a great caliber) .
However,  Having made the switch to 7mm-08 for whitetails for reasons cited earlier.
(the old '06 still holds a place of prominence above the mantle in Livingroom)  

I came across this great article.. discusses 3-06, 308 25-06, 257, 270 , 7mm-08 as deer rifle. And since I had already made the switch to 7mm-08 Thought I would share (you don't have to agree or disagree) it's just a good read.

http://www.huntthenorth.com/Theperfectrifle.html
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Re: why don't you own a 30-06?
« Reply #64 on: August 20, 2010, 04:32:08 PM »
Q:  Why own a .30-06 when I have a .30 caliber rifles in .30-30, .308 Win and a .300 Win Mag?

A:  Because having three is more fun.

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Re: why don't you own a 30-06?
« Reply #65 on: August 20, 2010, 05:03:05 PM »
I don't own one, I own six. I've never bought a rifle because it was a certain caliber.  I have "not bought" some because of which caliber they were.  A few of them are, 7mm Mag, 265 Win Mag, 300 Win Mag, 243, and some others.  I do have a 308 Norma Mag that I built on a Mod 98 action.  It'll do most things a 300 Win Mag will do.

I too, buy rifles because I like them.  By attrition I have ended up with a pretty good variety.  Now with that said there is one that I will build because of the cartridge, and that is a 6.5X55.  It will likely be the last rifle I ever build for myself and I will likely use it to hunt with for the rest of my days. It and one of my 06s of course.

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Re: why don't you own a 30-06?
« Reply #66 on: August 21, 2010, 05:54:17 AM »
Ch,

Though I have read your posts with interest and have read your preference for 7mm and .300 mag ( ipobably would have a 7mm or . 300 if I lived where you do), I always thought you had and admired the .30-06, and/or killed deer with it.  Maybe it was your son in-law.  Just curious.

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Re: why don't you own a 30-06?
« Reply #67 on: August 21, 2010, 06:22:37 PM »
I have owned a 30-06, and it is a fine cartridge.  Mine kicked pretty good, a Winchester Model 70 lightweight carbine with 20" featherweight contour barrel.  Under 7 1/2 pounds with Leupold 2-7 scope mounted.  I sold off all my rifles when I took a 5 year hiatus from shooting/hunting.  Upon my return to my senses, I thought a short action 270 caliber would be the coolest thing for deer.  (Was thinking .270 Redding)  When I was in the local Walmart they had a Winchester Model 70 Super Shadow with tupperware stock in .270 WSM with a throwaway Simmons scope for $399.  I researched the .270WSM cartridge and determined it was a near ballistic twin of the .280 Ackley and approached the 7mm Remington Magnum.  I figured it also should be possible to load it down to .270 Win or 7-08 Rem recoil levels for smaller game.  I bought one, figuring it would be my "do everything" rifle.  Of course, since then I have added a Stevens 200 in .243 Win, a Howa in 6.5x55 Swede, and a pair of .223 Remington Heavy Barrel varmint rifles.  I have no plans to add a 30-06, because I figure the .270WSM with a 150 gr Nosler Partition should handle the elk of my dream hunt, should that ever come to pass.  The .223's handle gophers and rockchucks just fine out to 300 yards.  The .243 can do duty on the varmints, and should also handle deer and antelope.
If I decide to add another centerfire rifle, I am guessing it will be a .260 Remington.  Maybe Remington will offer it in the SPS with 24" barrel, if they do, I will buy one.  IMO, it would be the optimum low recoil deer rifle.
That is why I don't and probably won't own a 30-06.

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Re: why don't you own a 30-06?
« Reply #68 on: August 22, 2010, 03:03:34 PM »
Ch,

Though I have read your posts with interest and have read your preference for 7mm and .300 mag ( ipobably would have a 7mm or . 300 if I lived where you do), I always thought you had and admired the .30-06, and/or killed deer with it.  Maybe it was your son in-law.  Just curious.

Picked up my first .30-06 was a Ruger M77 purchased at a gun show in Conroe, TX, when my wife was hospitalized at MD Anderson for leukemia treatments.  The intent was to go pig hunting and all my firearms were back in Colorado during our 4 month stay in Houston.  That was the M77 walnut/blue, purchased in November, 2006, and manufactured in 1984.  I floated the barrel, scoped it with a Burris Fullfield II, zeroed it with factory ammo and declared myself ready to hunt the piggies.  Then my wife was released from the hospital and I didn’t shoot it again until after we returned home.  Never did get to hunt pigs with it and in fact still haven’t done so period – something I hope to fix one of these days.  After getting home I tuned the trigger and developed loads for the 165g North Fork and 168g TTSX, both of which it shoots extremely well.  In 2007 I took two cow elk with it using the North Fork load.  Both went straight down on the initial shot, got back up and went straight down for good with a follow-up shot.

In February of 2008 I purchased my second .30-06, a Savage 111GNS, as a wedding present for my future son-in-law.  It got scoped with a Burris Fullfield II with Ballistic Plex reticle and I worked up 168g TTSX loads for it, which it shoots quite well.  My daughter didn’t get married until August of 2009 so my future son-in-law hunted with it that fall not knowing it would be his less than a year later.

Then in March of 2008 I bought my (at the time, as I still had the Savage) third .30-06, a new Remington M700 “”Special Purpose Wood” model.  It is blue with a real walnut stock, nicely finished metal and a floor plate but no grip cap or fore-end tip.  It shoots well enough and I have hunted with it, but it remains a virgin in my hands.

As mentioned, the Savage went to my son-in-law as a wedding present and last fall (2009).  He hunted both antelope, filling his doe tag, and elk.  He had a shot at elk but never pulled the trigger.  The 168g TTSX dropped the antelope doe with minimal meat loss.

Last April I purchased another used Ruger, now my third .30-06.  This one a MKII stainless/laminate version, manufactured in 2001.  I floated the barrel, as I have done to all my rifles that didn’t start out that way, and tuned the trigger.  It got scoped with a Burris Fullfield II 4.5-14xAO.  Until last weekend I had only shot factory ammo through it because it has a shorter throat than the other Ruger and Remington .30-06 rifles and won’t accept my long COL handloads.

Two of my nephews will be joining my son-in-law and myself for this fall’s antelope hunt in Wyoming.  Last weekend I developed a 150g Ballistic Tip load that shoots very well in all three .30-06 rifles.  I plan to try 150g AccuBonds also, and if things go as planned, use the Ballistic Tips for practice, saving the AccuBonds for final check-out and hunting.  I think it would be fun if all of us used .30-06’s and the Ballistic Tip/AccuBond load, since it works in all three of my rifles, will prevent ammo mix-ups.  (That said, I have promised my nephews they can use whatever rifle they want.)


So at this time I have one “blooded” .30-06 and two I have yet to take game with, something I hope to fix this fall.  It has often been said that a man with a .30-06 doesn’t need another rifle, and there is a lot of truth in that statement.  I always figured it was a good reason not to own one.  Nowadays I don’t worry about justifying a new rifle on the basis of “need” and told my wife I passed that point long ago.  Which means it is “safe” to have the .30-06’s in the stable...





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Re: why don't you own a 30-06?
« Reply #69 on: August 23, 2010, 03:34:45 AM »
owning at least one o6, small block chev and a model 700 should be mandatory for any american. Let me see tonight im going to take my model 700 06 and stick it in my chev truck and go kill some crop damage deer! As close to heaven as it comes.
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Re: why don't you own a 30-06?
« Reply #70 on: August 23, 2010, 06:31:26 AM »
owning at least one o6, small block chev and a model 700 should be mandatory for any american. Let me see tonight im going to take my model 700 06 and stick it in my chev truck and go kill some crop damage deer! As close to heaven as it comes.

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Re: why don't you own a 30-06?
« Reply #71 on: August 23, 2010, 06:46:01 AM »
Thanks for the clarification CH.

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Re: why don't you own a 30-06?
« Reply #72 on: August 23, 2010, 10:01:29 AM »
I've got two: one my father made (stock that is) to sporterize a springfield .30-06 and a synthetic stocked Remington 700 ADL.  I bought the ADL for a back-up and foul weather rifle.  When I go on a hunt, I can always use the ADL as a back-up for whatever I'm hunting.  Also, because the ADL is sort of an ugly inexpensive rifle, I can take it out in the rain whereas I'm sure I would be unhappy about exposing my other beautifully wood stocked rifles to the rain.  While the ADL was inexpensive it shoots well.  I topped it with a Leupold VX-III 3.5-10x scope.  Rifle may be inexpensive, but it still depends on a quality sighting system to put bullets on the money down range.

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Re: why don't you own a 30-06?
« Reply #73 on: August 26, 2010, 04:17:58 AM »
Wouldn't be without one.  The .30-06 has never been improved by necking it up or down.  It's perfect.

That is a true statement, but not for the reasons you might think - once the .30-06 is necked up or down it is no longer a .30-06.

“Improved” is like “better” – it is subjective and depends on individual situations and values.  If one wants a do-all, jack-of-all-trades rifle, the .30-06 is an excellent cartridge.  If one wants a dual purpose varmint/deer cartridge the .25-06 is a much better choice as judged by how many people vote with their money.  As a dedicated deer rifle, a .25-06, 6.5-06 or .270 Win or .280 Remington gets my vote and if hunting in big bear country I’d prefer to carry a .338-06 or .35 Whelen. 

While I own three .30-06 rifles and purchased a fourth for my son-in-law, my 6.5-06 Ackley is a much better choice for its intended use, which is long range work.  The 6.5-06 AI will also do with ease anything I have or ever will ask my .30-06’s to do, which includes hunting game up to the size of elk.  (If I ever go hunting larger game I again have better choices than a .30-06.)

While the .30-06 is a great and very broadly useful cartridge, it isn’t necessarily the best fit for every purpose.  Its progeny are often much better suited to meet specific needs.



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Re: why don't you own a 30-06?
« Reply #74 on: August 26, 2010, 03:15:46 PM »
Interesting post CH. I have a nice 06 that I never take to the woods. If hunting yotes i take a .223; if deer a .308, if hogs a 45-70 and occasionally a .375H&H for uh . . . . .  squirrels. But if I could keep only one of these for all my hunting needs I'm sure it would be the 06 that I would keep. I hope my wife doesn't read this. She mind ask why I bought all those other guns.

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Re: why don't you own a 30-06?
« Reply #75 on: August 27, 2010, 03:17:09 AM »
Ch,

Though I have read your posts with interest and have read your preference for 7mm and .300 mag ( ipobably would have a 7mm or . 300 if I lived where you do), I always thought you had and admired the .30-06, and/or killed deer with it.  Maybe it was your son in-law.  Just curious.

Bowjack –

Here’s a photo of the three .30-06’s referenced in my post above.

From top to bottom:

Ruger M77 tang safety, Burris 3-9x FF-II w/ BP reticle
Ruger MKII, Burris 4.5-14x FF-II w/ BP reticle
Remington M700 "Special Purpose Wood", Simmons 3.5-10x Aetec

Also:
New Ruger "boat paddle" stock to go on the stainless MKII .30-06
New Ruger long action receiver with magnum bolt face, probably a future .338-375 Ruger, to receive laminate stock from .30-06



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Re: why don't you own a 30-06?
« Reply #76 on: August 27, 2010, 08:16:04 AM »


The 200 gr Speer Hot Cor works great as an all around load for the ole 30-06 as well.  Its cheaper than the NP also.  Mine drives tacks going out of the barrel at a modest 2500 fps. Just my .02
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Re: why don't you own a 30-06?
« Reply #77 on: August 27, 2010, 04:41:16 PM »
Interesting remarks and everybody is happy! I have a BAR, LH St. Stalker, rem.760 ,and a sporter 03A3. It is easy for a non hand-loader such as myself to enjoy great factory loads, and be able to stockpile ammo reasonably.If the SHTF folks will wish they had .308 .223 9mm .45 22lr and the good ole '06.

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Re: why don't you own a 30-06?
« Reply #78 on: August 27, 2010, 04:51:02 PM »
I added acouple 30-06 afew years ago so there just an addition to other calibers that I like.  I used one last year on a late cow elk hunt not sure if I'll use the same rifle this year.  If these rifles didn't have good barrels I won't own a factory 30-06.

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Re: why don't you own a 30-06?
« Reply #79 on: August 29, 2010, 05:42:19 AM »
I don't have a 30-06 because i wanted to have something other that the garden variety standard deer caliber. I have a .280 Remington, .25-06 Remington, 44 Mag carbine, .35 Remington, 8x57mm, i think i have my bases pretty well covered.

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Re: why don't you own a 30-06?
« Reply #80 on: September 02, 2010, 04:27:45 AM »
My FIL hunts with and ONLY with a 30-06. I prefer .243win (and soon to include 6.8spc). While i understand the coolness and history of the 30-06, it just doenst do anything for me...

I can do everything i want to with a smaller lighter recoiling caliber. Plus i prefer short actions. In fact personally i wouldnt ever use anything larger than a 30-06 when deer hunting, and even thats overkill.

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Re: why don't you own a 30-06?
« Reply #81 on: September 02, 2010, 07:46:32 AM »
... because I have a 300 Winmag... ;D

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Re: why don't you own a 30-06?
« Reply #82 on: September 02, 2010, 12:43:55 PM »
the o6 is one of the greats,however i wouldn`t hunt the griz`s with it
even tho they could put em down.

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Re: why don't you own a 30-06?
« Reply #83 on: September 03, 2010, 03:00:34 PM »
 I don't own a 06 because a kind fellow old me his elk rifle for $100 wh en I was more broke than I am now and God Bless him.  At the time the only rifle I owned was a 94 winny.  It's a Rem 700 chambered in 280 Rem.  When I started hand loading I found out what a great cartridge it is.  Later I aquired a BLR in 7-08 and a Savage 99f in 308.  I kept the Savage and sold the BLR.  The 308 is lighter than the Remington and is good to 300yrds.  The Remington is heavier but good out to 500 yrds depending on conditions.  Since then I got a Marlin 450 for pig and bear and I'm having a 6.5-06 built as a dedicated bean field gun.  06 is a good cartridge but I just don't need it and the 280 is superior.  One gun can't do everything well but the 06 comes close.
  If I had to choose one rifle and cartridge como it would be a Rem 7600 carbine with a 2x7 Leupold.  Light, fast and accurate to 300 yrds.  Then again my Savage 99f in 308 with a 2x7 Leupold is hard to beat ::)
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Re: why don't you own a 30-06?
« Reply #84 on: September 06, 2010, 07:18:45 PM »
ask myself the same question. so, i went and bought one. not as flat shooting as my 257 weatherby, kicks a little more.  it will take anything on this earth. it will be my grizz gun loaded with 220 gn. round nose. the 165 gn will take every thing else.
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Re: why don't you own a 30-06?
« Reply #85 on: September 15, 2010, 10:56:22 AM »
Because i have a .308win and unlike swampman my chronograph actually works and it is not 200 fps slower.  My .308 shoots about 50 fps slower than my .30-06's did.  Besides...if velocity is king than a .300 mag trumps all right?  Not for me...ill stick with the .308 in all of its light kicking accurate animal killing glory!  I do like the 06 though!  Glad you like yours too.
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Re: why don't you own a 30-06?
« Reply #86 on: September 16, 2010, 04:29:37 AM »
I don't own a 30-06 but I do own two 270 winchesters and a 25-06. Does that count? (Maybe someday)
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Re: why don't you own a 30-06?
« Reply #87 on: September 16, 2010, 07:08:37 AM »
Thanks for posting CH,

I have always read your posts with interest.

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Re: why don't you own a 30-06?
« Reply #88 on: September 16, 2010, 08:26:23 AM »
Interesting but false....
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Re: why don't you own a 30-06?
« Reply #89 on: September 16, 2010, 03:49:39 PM »
My son has my first 30-6. It's a Remington 760 circa 1972. I have a M70 stainless now. I have used factory 30-06 180gr CoreLokts and Bronze Points and Federal Premium 165gr Sierra BT's for deer. My hand loads have been equal to .308/7.62 x 51mm 165gr loads and the deer dropped the same as hit by a 30-06 velocity load.
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